Re: Concerns with Let's Encrpyt repeated issuing for known fraudulent sites

2020-08-14 Thread Tobias S. Josefowitz via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 9:52 PM Ronald Crane via dev-security-policy wrote: > > It could raise legal issues for a CA to refuse to revoke an obvious > phishing domain after notice that it is fraudulent, or at least after > notice that it's actually being used to defraud. > > For example, Calif.

Re: Concerns with Let's Encrpyt repeated issuing for known fraudulent sites

2020-08-14 Thread Tobias S. Josefowitz via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:32 PM Ronald Crane via dev-security-policy wrote: > If a CA "conveys" (or "transfers") by not revoking after notice (which > gives "actual knowledge" that the "specific person" (that is, the legit > site) is being impersonated), then there seems to be a problem. If a

Re: Concerns with Let's Encrpyt repeated issuing for known fraudulent sites

2020-08-13 Thread Tobias S. Josefowitz via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 7:20 PM Paul Walsh via dev-security-policy wrote: > > "Every domain should be allowed to have a certificate ***regardless of > intent***.” > > They are the most outrageously irresponsible words that I’ve heard in my > career on the web since 1996 when I was at AOL, and

Re: Concerns with Let's Encrpyt repeated issuing for known fraudulent sites

2020-08-13 Thread Tobias S. Josefowitz via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 8:59 PM Paul Walsh wrote: > > > > On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Tobias S. Josefowitz via dev-security-policy > > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 7:20 PM Paul Walsh via dev-security-policy > > wrote: > >> > >>

Re: Concerns with Let's Encrpyt repeated issuing for known fraudulent sites

2020-08-13 Thread Tobias S. Josefowitz via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:31 PM Ronald Crane via dev-security-policy wrote: > > [...] Registrars (and CAs) are > in excellent positions to impede the use of phishing domains, since they > hand them out (registrars) or issue certificates for them (CAs). [...] Things are rarely this static. The

Re: Concerns with Let's Encrpyt repeated issuing for known fraudulent sites

2020-08-13 Thread Tobias S. Josefowitz via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:48 PM Ronald Crane via dev-security-policy wrote: > > On 8/13/2020 2:25 PM, Tobias S. Josefowitz via dev-security-policy wrote: > > Detecting phishing domains by "looking at them as strings" may thus be > > futile, and "blocking obvious

Re: Concerns with Let's Encrpyt repeated issuing for known fraudulent sites

2020-08-13 Thread Tobias S. Josefowitz via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 1:53 AM Ronald Crane via dev-security-policy wrote: > > On 8/13/2020 3:18 PM, Tobias S. Josefowitz via dev-security-policy wrote: > > So then, assuming we don't know, I don't think it would be appropriate > > to just wish for the best, task the C