Re: Adventurous yet Safety-Minded

2010-03-10 Thread Alexander Kahl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/10/2010 08:26 PM, Steven I Usdansky wrote: > If there's a magic solution that will satisfy the vast majority > of Fedora users, I have absolutely no clue as to what it might be. Please read: http://nixos.org/nix/ Esp. "Atomic upgrades and rollba

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/03/10 22:41 (GMT-0600) Eric Sandeen composed: > Felix Miata wrote: >> Sounds to me like the HD manufacturers want to make 512 go the way of PATA, >> accelerating obsolescence to drive up profitability of the whole computer >> hardware industry. People shouldn't have to buy whole new syste

Potential pkgdb-0.5.x release on staging

2010-03-10 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
After a round of bug reports and bug fixing I have a new pkgdb up in the staging environment for testing. I do not know of any problems with this version at the moment so I'd appreciate people who use the pkgdb to change acls frequently or query it for data give it a try and see that everything is

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Eric Sandeen
Felix Miata wrote: > On 2010/03/10 19:11 (GMT-0800) John Reiser composed: > >>> MultiGHz, Multicore CPUs consume magnitudes more power than HDs. > >> Not always. A typical 3.5" harddrive consumes about (max): >> 0.65A * 5V = 3.25W >> 0.50A * 12V = 6.00W >> which totals 9.25 Watts, a

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/03/10 19:11 (GMT-0800) John Reiser composed: >> MultiGHz, Multicore CPUs consume magnitudes more power than HDs. > Not always. A typical 3.5" harddrive consumes about (max): > 0.65A * 5V = 3.25W > 0.50A * 12V = 6.00W > which totals 9.25 Watts, and less when not transferring

Re: Install fedora-easy-karma by default?

2010-03-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/11/2010 02:14 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > Can you leave bodhi feedback with an FAS account if you haven't signed a > CLA? (The thing about FAS accounts I am not crazy about is the CLA. What > about using a bugzilla account instead?) > What is the problem you have with the CLA? Rahul

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread John Reiser
> MultiGHz, Multicore CPUs consume magnitudes more power than HDs. Not always. A typical 3.5" harddrive consumes about (max): 0.65A * 5V = 3.25W 0.50A * 12V = 6.00W which totals 9.25 Watts, and less when not transferring data. I am composing this message on a system with a 2.5GHz, tw

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Ric Wheeler
On 03/10/2010 08:33 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2010/03/10 20:19 (GMT-0500) Ric Wheeler composed: > > >> Peter Jones wrote: >> > >>> Note also that the access time will be slightly faster. >>> > As if an average normal person could tell. > > >> And power consumption will g

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/03/10 20:19 (GMT-0500) Ric Wheeler composed: > Peter Jones wrote: >> Note also that the access time will be slightly faster. As if an average normal person could tell. > And power consumption will go down as you won't need as many platters :-) Not materially for those whose needs are a

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Ric Wheeler
On 03/10/2010 05:38 PM, Peter Jones wrote: > On 03/10/2010 05:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > >> On 2010/03/10 17:09 (GMT-0500) Ric Wheeler composed: >> >> >>> Felix Miata wrote: >>> >> The change is for the benefit of manufacturers, not users. Readiness is only

Re: Fwd: URL error on Fedora 13 Alpha BFO

2010-03-10 Thread Mike McGrath
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, Mario Chacon wrote: > Hello, > I was trying to install Fedora 13 Alpha using BFO utility and I got an error > during the download of the install.img. I > saw that the url for the install.img is wrong: > > URL that use BFO utility: > http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub > > U

Re: F13 Alpha - Zarafa

2010-03-10 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Kevin Kofler [11/03/2010 00:08] : > > OpenChange is an implementation of the M$ Exchange protocols, allowing Free > Software groupware clients to interoperate with M$ Exchange. It's a requirement for Zarafa which is basically a bridge between open protocols (IMAP, POP, Caldav, ...) and Exchange

Re: Push scripts, mash (was: Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback))

2010-03-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote: > * "yum install glibc.i686". Actually, you probably want glibc-devel.i686. But my point still stands, as long as you require only a few 32-bit packages, requesting them explicitly is not the end of the world. So if we were to drop support for that "always install all libs as multilib

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Al Dunsmuir wrote: > The update to an older stable release should be made widely available > in that release's updates-testing after the equivalent (not > necessarily identical) fix has been widely tested in the latest stable > release. Uh, no, just no. They should go to updates-testi

Re: Push scripts, mash (was: Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback))

2010-03-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Woehlke wrote: > Hmm, maybe then you are thinking of things that are far less > stand-alone. The only "run-time environment" we care about is that the > program can be executed (so, kernel can load it, glibc.i?86 exists, > etc.). We tend to have very few if any dependencies beyond libc (and

Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Till Maas wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:34:15AM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >> 1) Comments could allow for multi-line code. I tried to paste stuff in >> and well skipped a couple of packages from the paste :) > > Do you have any wish about how this s

F-13 Beta Blocker Meeting 2010-03-12 @ 16:00 UTC (11 AM EST)

2010-03-10 Thread Adam Williamson
When: Friday, 2010-03-12 @ 16:00 UTC (11 AM EST) Where: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net It's that time again: blocker bug review meeting time! Tomorrow is the first blocker bug review meeting for Fedora 13 Beta. Here are the current bugs listed as blocking the Beta release. We'll be discus

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 18:16 -0500, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > On Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 5:59:20 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >>On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 22:44 +, Ewan Mac Mahon wrote: > >> The LHC is an interesting analogy; it certainly has problems that can be > >> picked out with 20:20 hindsight, b

Fwd: URL error on Fedora 13 Alpha BFO

2010-03-10 Thread Mario Chacon
Hello, I was trying to install Fedora 13 Alpha using BFO utility and I got an error during the download of the install.img. I saw that the url for the install.img is wrong: URL that use BFO utility: http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub URL valid: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/ it works

Re: F13 Alpha - Zarafa

2010-03-10 Thread Matěj Cepl
Dne 10.3.2010 16:35, Tom "spot" Callaway napsal(a): > On 03/09/2010 05:23 PM, nodata wrote: >> Does Zimbra still ship as a blob of specific versions of lots of open >> source software, of which the specific versions cannot be changed? > > Also, the last time I looked, it had a bundled copy of the S

Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-10 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:34:15AM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > 1) Comments could allow for multi-line code. I tried to paste stuff in > and well skipped a couple of packages from the paste :) Do you have any wish about how this should behave? I was thinking that e.g. a comment like " 2)

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-10 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 5:59:20 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 22:44 +, Ewan Mac Mahon wrote: >> The LHC is an interesting analogy; it certainly has problems that can be >> picked out with 20:20 hindsight, but there was no way anyone could have >> changed the processes

Webcam Test Day tomorrow (Thursday 2010-03-11)

2010-03-10 Thread Adam Williamson
This Thursday, 2010-03-11, is webcam Test Day [1]. It's really pretty simple: if you have a webcam we want you to boot up a recent Fedora and check if it works. There's detailed instructions on the Wiki page but that's really what it boils down to - fire up your webcam, run Cheese or something like

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 22:44 +, Ewan Mac Mahon wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 01:21:45PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 23:11 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: > > > > > Either we (package maintainers) are qualified to make sane decisions > > > about our package or we are n

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-10 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:09:40 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Jesse Keating wrote: >> On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 16:08 -0800, Josh Stone wrote: >>> It seems to cast doubt on the value of karma -- just because something >>> gets lots of positive karma on N doesn't mean that N-1 is ok. Then >>> again, t

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-10 Thread Ewan Mac Mahon
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 01:21:45PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 23:11 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: > > > Either we (package maintainers) are qualified to make sane decisions > > about our package or we are not. I don't really see a middle ground > > here. > > Being qualifi

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Peter Jones
On 03/10/2010 05:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2010/03/10 17:09 (GMT-0500) Ric Wheeler composed: > >> Felix Miata wrote: > >>> The change is for the benefit of manufacturers, not users. Readiness is only >>> spotty. The discussion has been extensive and ongoing on the linux-ide >>> mailing list.

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 17:28 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2010/03/10 17:09 (GMT-0500) Ric Wheeler composed: > > > Felix Miata wrote: > > >> The change is for the benefit of manufacturers, not users. Readiness is > >> only > >> spotty. The discussion has been extensive and ongoing on the linux-i

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Eric Sandeen
Felix Miata wrote: > On 2010/03/10 17:09 (GMT-0500) Ric Wheeler composed: > >> Felix Miata wrote: > >>> The change is for the benefit of manufacturers, not users. Readiness is only >>> spotty. The discussion has been extensive and ongoing on the linux-ide >>> mailing list. > >> Users do benefit

Re: F13 Alpha - Zarafa

2010-03-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Miller wrote: > although something called OpenChange was added for MS Exchange access in > Fedora 11. OpenChange != Open-Xchange In fact they're completely different: Open-Xchange is groupware software, to some extent a clone of M$ Exchange, but using open protocols. OpenChange is an impl

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 16:08 -0800, Josh Stone wrote: >> It seems to cast doubt on the value of karma -- just because something >> gets lots of positive karma on N doesn't mean that N-1 is ok. Then >> again, the same concern is present in any grouped update if the voters >>

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/03/10 17:09 (GMT-0500) Ric Wheeler composed: > Felix Miata wrote: >> The change is for the benefit of manufacturers, not users. Readiness is only >> spotty. The discussion has been extensive and ongoing on the linux-ide >> mailing list. > Users do benefit as well - more capacity per plat

Re: To semi-rolling or not to semi-rolling, that is the question...

2010-03-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Doug Ledford wrote: > Things like the libata kernel change and KDE 3 to 4 migration are > intentional events That's the whole problem. Under our current model, we have places and times where to perform those intentional disruptive changes, they're called "releases". In a "consumable" Rawhide, we

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-10 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote: >> If Fesco is aiming at getting rid of all the pesky packagers maintaining low >> profile packages: You're well on your way. > > I usually stay away from mega-threads, but well put! > > I doubt that even major bug fixes in any of my (small) p

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Ric Wheeler
On 03/10/2010 04:30 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2010/03/10 15:22 (GMT-0600) Mike Chambers composed: > > >> Hadn't seen this discussed yet (not really a big hardware geek), and >> just saw an article about this today. Are we (linux as a whole) ready >> for this or getting ready, or already usin

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Peter Jones
On 03/10/2010 04:22 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: > Hadn't seen this discussed yet (not really a big hardware geek), and > just saw an article about this today. Are we (linux as a whole) ready > for this or getting ready, or already using it? And If we bought a new > hd, via sata in my case within pas

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Eric Sandeen
Mike Chambers wrote: > Hadn't seen this discussed yet (not really a big hardware geek), and > just saw an article about this today. Are we (linux as a whole) ready > for this or getting ready, or already using it? And If we bought a new > hd, via sata in my case within past year or newer computer

Re: F13 -EGPUDRIVERNOWORKIE

2010-03-10 Thread Nathanael Noblet
On Mar 10, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > This sounds like it's similar to what we saw with the vboxvideo driver, > right? When that failed it didn't fall back to vesa, either... Quite possibly... The issue was that it knew the driver it was looking for and attempted to load it, t

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-10 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:21 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 23:11 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: > > > Either we (package maintainers) are qualified to make sane decisions > > about our package or we are not. I don't really see a middle ground > > here. > > Being qualified to d

[389-devel] Please review (take 2): [Bug 199923] subtree search fails to find items under a db containing special characters

2010-03-10 Thread Noriko Hosoi
Subject: subtree search fails to find items under a db containing special characters https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=199923 Files: ldap/servers/plugins/syntaxes/validate.c ldap/servers/slapd/back-ldbm/ldbm_add.c ldap/servers/slapd/dn.c Fix Description: dn.c: Based upon RFC 4514,

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 03:22:13PM -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > Hadn't seen this discussed yet (not really a big hardware geek), and > just saw an article about this today. Are we (linux as a whole) ready > for this or getting ready, or already using it? And If we bought a new > hd, via sata in

Re: Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/03/10 15:22 (GMT-0600) Mike Chambers composed: > Hadn't seen this discussed yet (not really a big hardware geek), and > just saw an article about this today. Are we (linux as a whole) ready > for this or getting ready, or already using it? > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361156,0

Hard drive spec change

2010-03-10 Thread Mike Chambers
Hadn't seen this discussed yet (not really a big hardware geek), and just saw an article about this today. Are we (linux as a whole) ready for this or getting ready, or already using it? And If we bought a new hd, via sata in my case within past year or newer computer in past year, are we using t

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 23:11 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: > Either we (package maintainers) are qualified to make sane decisions > about our package or we are not. I don't really see a middle ground > here. Being qualified to do something does not mean that one always does it perfectly. Almost ever

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-10 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 23:21 +0100, Sven Lankes wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 09:59:29PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > Before being added to updates, the package must receive a net karma of > > +3 in Bodhi. > > [...] > > > It is the expectation of Fesco that the majority of updates shoul

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-10 Thread James Laska
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 11:13 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 15:43:04 -0500, > James Laska wrote: > > > > 1. repoclosure/conflicts - no package update can introduce broken > > deps or conflicts. I'd recommend we apply this to both > > 'updates-testin

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-10 Thread James Laska
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:18 +, Paul Howarth wrote: > On 09/03/10 20:43, James Laska wrote: > > Some basics I'd propose as a starting point for defining acceptance > > criteria include: > > > > 1. repoclosure/conflicts - no package update can introduce broken > > deps or conflicts

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-10 Thread James Laska
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:18 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:13 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > Some basics I'd propose as a starting point for defining acceptance > > > criteria include: > > > > > > 1. repoclosure/conflicts - no package update can introduce broken

Re: Install fedora-easy-karma by default?

2010-03-10 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Bill Nottingham wrote: > Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) said: >>> Also thanks for packaging that immediately -- what about installing it >>> by default? It's a tiny package and we really do want our users to >>> provide feedback. >> >> I do not mind, if it is installed by default, but I am not su

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Robyn Bergeron wrote: >> That looks to be about 400 people need to randomly selected and >> complete the survey (for +/- 5%). to get down to 1% you would need to >> get 6500 people. > > I don't think that the near-impossibility of having a statistically > sound s

F-13 Branched report: 20100310 changes

2010-03-10 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Wed Mar 10 09:15:11 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- blahtexml-0.6-5.fc12.i686 requires libxerces-c.so.28 doodle-0.6.7-5.fc12.i686 requires libextractor.so.1 easystroke-0.5.2-1.fc13.i686 requires lib

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Peter Jones wrote: > On 03/10/2010 02:16 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 03/10/2010 06:55 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: >>> >>> I agree, there was obviously a divisive and destructive aspect to that >>> meeting. >>> >>> Jonathan, Do you have any thoughts on what we can do

Re: Announcing `gold-rebuild' - link your packages with gold now

2010-03-10 Thread Roland McGrath
> Actually what I do, Roland, it that I grab binutils daily tarball > and rebuild it as Source0 of Rawhide's SRPM (really ugly...) so I > always use the latest one, see '-r' option. Drawback in the script > is that it always rebuilds binutils even if you have today's > binutils RPMs somewhere, tha

Re: IBM Statement on TCG DRTM Support

2010-03-10 Thread Peter Jones
On 03/10/2010 02:53 PM, George C. Wilson wrote: > IBM supports the TCG DRTM standard efforts. After the approval of the TCG > DRTM standard, IBM is planning to develop and provide DRTM UEFI support in > its System X product line. That's all well and good, but is there a reason you sent this to th

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Peter Jones
On 03/10/2010 02:16 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/10/2010 06:55 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: >> >> I agree, there was obviously a divisive and destructive aspect to that >> meeting. >> >> Jonathan, Do you have any thoughts on what we can do to correct it? >> > > Follow basic IRC etiquette for mee

IBM Statement on TCG DRTM Support

2010-03-10 Thread George C. Wilson
IBM supports the TCG DRTM standard efforts. After the approval of the TCG DRTM standard, IBM is planning to develop and provide DRTM UEFI support in its System X product line. -- George Wilson IBM Linux Technology Center Security Development -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org h

Re: F13 -EGPUDRIVERNOWORKIE

2010-03-10 Thread Michał Piotrowski
I can install F13 in text mode later and send some more informations about these issues with both drivers. Regards, Michal -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F13 -EGPUDRIVERNOWORKIE

2010-03-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:44 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 17:20 +0100, Michal Hlavinka wrote: > > On Wednesday 10 March 2010 17:14:41 Michał Piotrowski wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I tried to install this new Goddard thing on my laptop and it seems to be > > > b0rken https://b

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-10 Thread Robyn Bergeron
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Jon Masters wrote: >> On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:30 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: >> >>> Now, there's a reasonable argument that says that Fedora users without >>> FAS accounts didn't vote for FESCo, so it's

Re: Adventurous yet Safety-Minded

2010-03-10 Thread Steven I Usdansky
I realize this doesn't address the concern about not pushing broken updates to begin with. However, if yum and/or rpm could do a downgrade from locally cached delta, it would make reverting the change that broke the system much easier. This obviously won't work if it's rpm that breaks, but that is

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-10 Thread Robyn Bergeron
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Jon Masters wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:30 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > >> Now, there's a reasonable argument that says that Fedora users without >> FAS accounts didn't vote for FESCo, so it's still legitimate to ask >> *those* users what they think.  The impos

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Jon Masters wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:30 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: > >> Now, there's a reasonable argument that says that Fedora users without >> FAS accounts didn't vote for FESCo, so it's still legitimate to ask >> *those* users what they think.  The impos

Re: F13 -EGPUDRIVERNOWORKIE

2010-03-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 17:20 +0100, Michal Hlavinka wrote: > On Wednesday 10 March 2010 17:14:41 Michał Piotrowski wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I tried to install this new Goddard thing on my laptop and it seems to be > > b0rken https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=572243 > > > > Any chance to ge

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Peter Boy
> There are nearly no facts, so everyone is just > guessing and many people are just ignoring objections. That is true, indeed. But do we really need detailed statistics to make a good decision? All of us have an experience with Fedora over the last years. And I *guess* ( :-) ) most or even a

Re: should man-pages-* have Requires: man?

2010-03-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 11:56 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 03/10/2010 11:40 AM, Ivana Hutarova Varekova wrote: > > from my point of view, the vast majority of users uses man to show the > > wanted man-page content (the reason to add the dependency). > > Agreed. > > Actually, I am having proble

Re: Install fedora-easy-karma by default? (was: Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism)

2010-03-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) said: > > Also thanks for packaging that immediately -- what about installing it > > by default? It's a tiny package and we really do want our users to > > provide feedback. > > I do not mind, if it is installed by default, but I am not sure, > whether this is a

Re: Push scripts, mash (was: Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback))

2010-03-10 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:30:05 -0600, Matthew wrote: >> Probably because >> I need multilib and have never experienced multilib-related problems (or >> if I have, they were so trivial as to be thoroughly forgettable). > > Just out of interest, does enabling a separate 32-bit

Re: gdbm soname change in Rawhide, package rebuild needed

2010-03-10 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 10:00 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 18:25 +0100, Karel Klic wrote: > > A newer version of gdbm (1.8.0->1.8.3) has been pushed into rawhide > > (devel) branch. This version changes libgdbm soname, so all packages > > using gdbm _must be rebuilt_. > > >

Re: Adventurous yet Safety-Minded

2010-03-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 04:06:58 -0800, Steven I Usdansky wrote: > Instead of worrying about the occasional brokenness caused by an update to a > stable release, how about focusing on a mechanism to easily recover from it? > As long as the update hasn't corrupted any critical files, my non-opt

Re: Push scripts, mash (was: Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback))

2010-03-10 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:30:05 -0600, Matthew wrote: > Probably because > I need multilib and have never experienced multilib-related problems (or > if I have, they were so trivial as to be thoroughly forgettable). Just out of interest, does enabling a separate 32-bit repository on a 64-bit insta

Re: gdbm soname change in Rawhide, package rebuild needed

2010-03-10 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 18:25 +0100, Karel Klic wrote: > A newer version of gdbm (1.8.0->1.8.3) has been pushed into rawhide > (devel) branch. This version changes libgdbm soname, so all packages > using gdbm _must be rebuilt_. > > The soname change is needed as the new version moves dbm and ndbm

Re: Push scripts, mash

2010-03-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/08/2010 09:29 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > Michael Schwendt wrote: >> There are just too many -devel packages and their dependencies to be ever >> relevant to someone for multi-arch installs. Far more users install i686 on >> 64-bit CPUs, and I have doubts that x86_64 installation users do mu

Re: Push scripts, mash (was: Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback))

2010-03-10 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:29:42 -0600, Matthew wrote: > >>> There are just too many -devel packages and their dependencies to be ever >>> relevant to someone for multi-arch installs. Far more users install i686 on >>> 64-bit CPUs, and I have doubts that x86_64 installation us

gdbm soname change in Rawhide, package rebuild needed

2010-03-10 Thread Karel Klic
A newer version of gdbm (1.8.0->1.8.3) has been pushed into rawhide (devel) branch. This version changes libgdbm soname, so all packages using gdbm _must be rebuilt_. The soname change is needed as the new version moves dbm and ndbm routines to separate library gdbm_compat. The new version fix

Re: Updates proposal - alternative draft 1

2010-03-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 00:52:38 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Let me know what you think This should be split into two policy proposals. One should cover QA related processes for pushing updates. The second should cover expectations on what kinds of updates packagers should be pushing to

Re: Push scripts, mash (was: Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback))

2010-03-10 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Matthew Woehlke wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Matthew Woehlke wrote: >>> You forget people developing proprietary software... >> >> Why would we want to encourage or even support that? > > I don't expect Fedora to encourage it (nor should we, IMO)... but that > doesn't change the reality of $DAYJ

Re: Updates proposal - alternative draft 1

2010-03-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 01:20:21 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > As opposed to fake security threats? In the case of the kernel, if the > new kernel update we rush through without passing via updates-testing > repo doesn't boot you can always boot back into an older kernel but We can do that, b

Re: Push scripts, mash (was: Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback))

2010-03-10 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> You forget people developing proprietary software... > > Why would we want to encourage or even support that? I don't expect Fedora to encourage it (nor should we, IMO)... but that doesn't change the reality of $DAYJOB. If Fedora drops multilib, I w

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

2010-03-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 15:43:04 -0500, James Laska wrote: > > 1. repoclosure/conflicts - no package update can introduce broken > deps or conflicts. I'd recommend we apply this to both > 'updates-testing' and 'updates' (but that's detailed below) > 2. Package sanity

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 10 March 2010 at 17:34, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 04:38:53PM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > wrote: [...] > > Agreed. However, we should ask ourselves if it's better to have a package > > in our distribution even if it doesn't fit ideally with the rest

Re: To semi-rolling or not to semi-rolling, that is the question...

2010-03-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 14:06:12 -0500, Doug Ledford wrote: > > Things like the libata kernel change and KDE 3 to 4 migration are > intentional events and all that's needed to make the transition smooth > is to coordinate the release of a seamless upgrade package set. You I lived through the

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:53:49 -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: > > What I don't get, seriously, is why people in 2. can't use rawhide or > the latest updates-testing and instead pretend to inflict "almost > rawhide" on everybody else. Because updates-testing is really for testing not for providing

[389-devel] Please review: Bug 570542 - Root password cannot contain matching curly braces

2010-03-10 Thread Endi Sukma Dewata
Hi, Please review the patch for the following bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=570542 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=398976&action=edit https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=398976&action=diff Thanks. -- Endi S. Dewata -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@l

Re: F13 -EGPUDRIVERNOWORKIE

2010-03-10 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/3/10 Michal Hlavinka : > On Wednesday 10 March 2010 17:14:41 Michał Piotrowski wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I tried to install this new Goddard thing on my laptop and it seems to be >> b0rken https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=572243 >> >> Any chance to get graphical installer with vesa driver

rawhide report: 20100310 changes

2010-03-10 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Wed Mar 10 08:15:05 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- accountsdialog-0.5.1-1.fc14.i686 requires libcheese-gtk.so.17 calibre-0.6.42-1.fc14.i686 requires libMagickCore.so.2 calibre-0.6.42-1.fc14.i686 re

[389-devel] Please review: Bug 538525 - Ability to create instance as non-root user

2010-03-10 Thread Endi Sukma Dewata
Hi, Please review the attached patch for this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=538525 Description is included in the patch: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=398875&action=edit https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=398875&action=diff Thanks. -- Endi S. Dewata

Re: F13 -EGPUDRIVERNOWORKIE

2010-03-10 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/3/10 Frank Murphy : > On 10/03/10 16:14, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I tried to install this new Goddard thing on my laptop and it seems to be >> b0rken >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=572243 >> >> Any chance to get graphical installer with vesa driver? >> >> Regards,

Re: F13 -EGPUDRIVERNOWORKIE

2010-03-10 Thread Frank Murphy
On 10/03/10 16:14, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to install this new Goddard thing on my laptop and it seems to be > b0rken > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=572243 > > Any chance to get graphical installer with vesa driver? > > Regards, > Michal What version *.iso did yo

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 04:38:53PM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > On Wednesday, 10 March 2010 at 16:22, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:08 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > > > Afaics this does not affect some minor issue, but a fundamental reason > > > why package

Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism

2010-03-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Till Maas wrote: > Good news everyone, > > you can probably expect to receive more positive bodhi karma for your > updates in the future (or you already got unexpected much), because > there is now a script called 'fedora-easy-karma'[0], that makes > providing feedb

Re: should man-pages-* have Requires: man?

2010-03-10 Thread Jesse Keating
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 14:59 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > There is no strong dependency between "man" and "man-pages". > > "man" is just one utility amongst many utilities which can be used to > process man-pages. Perhaps it would make sense to introduce a Provides:(man-reader) or some such

Re: F13 -EGPUDRIVERNOWORKIE

2010-03-10 Thread Michal Hlavinka
On Wednesday 10 March 2010 17:14:41 Michał Piotrowski wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to install this new Goddard thing on my laptop and it seems to be > b0rken https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=572243 > > Any chance to get graphical installer with vesa driver? > > Regards, > Michal afaik yo

Re: Adventurous yet Safety-Minded

2010-03-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 04:06:58AM -0800, Steven I Usdansky wrote: > Instead of worrying about the occasional brokenness caused by an > update to a stable release, how about focusing on a mechanism to > easily recover from it? As long as the update hasn't corrupted any > critical files, my non-opti

F13 -EGPUDRIVERNOWORKIE

2010-03-10 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, I tried to install this new Goddard thing on my laptop and it seems to be b0rken https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=572243 Any chance to get graphical installer with vesa driver? Regards, Michal -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mai

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:22:37AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:08 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > Afaics this does not affect some minor issue, but a fundamental reason > > why package maintainer decided to become Fedora package maintainers. > > No volunteer package main

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-10 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:46:54 -0500 (EST) Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, drago01 wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Seth Vidal > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Another question - how many broken things we shipped in r

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-10 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, drago01 wrote: > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> >>> >>> Another question - how many broken things we shipped in release that could >>> be >>> fixed by updates? We shipped lot of unfinished, feature i

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-10 Thread drago01
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > >> >> Another question - how many broken things we shipped in release that could be >> fixed by updates? We shipped lot of unfinished, feature incomplete stuff in >> history... >> >> Nobody can't s

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 10 March 2010 at 16:22, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:08 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > Afaics this does not affect some minor issue, but a fundamental reason > > why package maintainer decided to become Fedora package maintainers. > > No volunteer package maintain

Re: F13 Alpha - Zarafa

2010-03-10 Thread Tom "spot" Callaway
On 03/09/2010 05:23 PM, nodata wrote: > Does Zimbra still ship as a blob of specific versions of lots of open > source software, of which the specific versions cannot be changed? Also, the last time I looked, it had a bundled copy of the Sun JDK (not the open sourced one either). ~spot -- devel

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