Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 21:54 -0500, inode0 wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Jon Masters wrote: > > btw, I think Kyle said earlier he's standing aside. So does that mean > > there now is a new FESCo election? > > No, FESCo has policies in place to deal with this situation described here >

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread inode0
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Jon Masters wrote: > On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:09 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: >> That's a good point, but I would hope that someone elected to serve on a >> body in Fedora would actually *want* to vote, and the measures above are >> just ideas meant to be motivation/

Re: 15 or rawhide?

2010-09-15 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 14:04 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > Nils Philippsen said the following on 09/15/2010 03:28 AM Pacific Time: > > On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 17:13 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > >> Shouldn't ABRT be looking to a file like /etc/fedora-release to > >> determine the release version? > >

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:09 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 22:33 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > I really don't see the point. A forced vote is not better than no vote > > (can easily be worse). As far as I know in most countries actual laws > > are passed by whoever is prese

Fedora 14 Beta Change Deadline Reached 2010-09-14

2010-09-15 Thread John Poelstra
As a reminder, we have reached the Beta Change Deadline for Fedora 14. "At the change deadlines for Alpha and Beta, pushes to the branched development repository (e.g. /pub/fedora/linux/development/14), are suspended until the Release Candidate has been successfully tested and staging has start

We have reached Fedora 14 Feature Complete

2010-09-15 Thread John Poelstra
Thank you to all the feature owners and developers for all their hard work to make Fedora 14 the best Fedora release yet. We are almost to the end! As a follow-up to last week's reminder http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2010-September/000676.html ALL feature pages are no

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Máirín Duffy
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 22:33 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 à 21:26 -0400, Máirín Duffy a écrit : > > On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 19:02 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > I'm happy to look for ways to make the other fesco voices heard. > > > Any ideas? I could try making the tick

Re: Problem while building mono-2.8

2010-09-15 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Wednesday, September 15, 2010 03:56:39 pm Paul F. Johnson wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > > Mono has had alot of issues building on x86_64 recently. it would be > > great if you worked with upstream to track down and resolve the 64 bit > > issues. > > > >From what I've seen, 2.8 fixes quite a lot of t

Re: Problem with 2.6.35.4-12.fc14.x86_64

2010-09-15 Thread Dave Jones
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:11:52PM +0200, Morten P.D. Stevens wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:devel- > > boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Michal Schmidt > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:03 PM > > To: devel@

Re: Problem with 2.6.35.4-12.fc14.x86_64

2010-09-15 Thread Morten P.D. Stevens
> -Original Message- > From: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:devel- > boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Michal Schmidt > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:03 PM > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Subject: Re: Problem with 2.6.35.4-12.fc14.x86_64 > > On Wed

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:53:51 -0400 Brandon Lozza wrote: > If I have to wait for the next release of Fedora (14 for example) to > get KDE 4.5 then it's looking like the stable updates vision has made > Fedora incompatible with what I need. KDE 4.5 has not been released to updates because it has kno

Re: 15 or rawhide?

2010-09-15 Thread John Poelstra
Nils Philippsen said the following on 09/15/2010 03:28 AM Pacific Time: > On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 17:13 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: >> Shouldn't ABRT be looking to a file like /etc/fedora-release to >> determine the release version? > > r...@rawhide:~> cat /etc/fedora-release > Fedora release 15 (Fi

Re: Problem while building mono-2.8

2010-09-15 Thread Roland McGrath
> I can email you over the throwback from the build (or the spec file with > altered patches), but as it dies on on the missing build ID (even with > the LDFLAGS thing added), there is no build. The log might help. I meant, the source, so I can attempt the build. Use git. It's your friend. Just

Re: Problem while building mono-2.8

2010-09-15 Thread Paul F. Johnson
Hi, > > googling suggests that there has been a change and that I need to add > > LDFLAGS += --build-id in the build and install parts. I've not had to do > > this before, so am I missing something and if I include it, will it then > > fail to build on koji? > > That is not usually the ideal solu

Re: Problem while building mono-2.8

2010-09-15 Thread Paul F. Johnson
Hi Dennis, > Mono has had alot of issues building on x86_64 recently. it would be great > if > you worked with upstream to track down and resolve the 64 bit issues. >From what I've seen, 2.8 fixes quite a lot of the issues with 64 bit systems. Are there any specifics I should look at? TTFN P

[389-devel] Please Review: (630097) fix coverity Defect Type: Null pointer dereferences issues

2010-09-15 Thread Nathan Kinder
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630097 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=447549&action=edit https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=447566&action=edit -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-dev

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 à 21:26 -0400, Máirín Duffy a écrit : > On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 19:02 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > I'm happy to look for ways to make the other fesco voices heard. > > Any ideas? I could try making the tickets have some more descriptive > > subject like "HEY VOTE ON THIS

Re: Problem with 2.6.35.4-12.fc14.x86_64

2010-09-15 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/9/15 Dave Jones : > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 08:11:47PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > >  > One problem fixed, introduced another >  > >  > === >  > [ INFO: suspicious rcu_dereference_check() usage. ] >  > --

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 15 septembre 2010 à 12:40 +0200, drago01 a écrit : > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:27 PM, M A Young wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, drago01 wrote: > > I agree. I was worried when systemd appeared in F14 just before the alpha. > > Really we should have been much closer to where we are now

Re: Problem with 2.6.35.4-12.fc14.x86_64

2010-09-15 Thread Dave Jones
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 08:11:47PM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > One problem fixed, introduced another > > === > [ INFO: suspicious rcu_dereference_check() usage. ] > --- > include/linux/cgro

Re: Problem with 2.6.35.4-12.fc14.x86_64

2010-09-15 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/9/15 Morten P.D. Stevens : >> -Original Message- >> From: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:devel- >> boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Michal Schmidt >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:03 PM >> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Subject: Re: Problem wit

Re: Problem with 2.6.35.4-12.fc14.x86_64

2010-09-15 Thread Morten P.D. Stevens
> -Original Message- > From: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:devel- > boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Michal Schmidt > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:03 PM > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Subject: Re: Problem with 2.6.35.4-12.fc14.x86_64 > > On Wed,

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Bill Nottingham
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said: > Actually, iiuc, tomasz is talking about migrating sysv-init scripts to > systemd unit files. There is a blocker to doing that in F15 which is that > lennart, notting, and walters (that I remember) are against doing a mass > migration to unit files unti

Re: Problem while building mono-2.8

2010-09-15 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:41:26 am Paul F. Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > I've not come across this (mainly as I've not been that active due to a > mix of work problems and hardware problems which meant a big > re-install). Most of mono is built, but I've just hit this error > > *** ERROR: No

gobject-introspection 0.9.5 rebuilds coming to rawhide

2010-09-15 Thread Colin Walters
Just a quick heads up that I'm going to be updating introspection to (at least) 0.9.5 in rawhide. For libraries, this is generally a simple rebuild with no impact on primary functionality. However if you are a library maintainer, do see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2010-Sept

Re: -static packages

2010-09-15 Thread Patrice Dumas
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 05:06:20PM +0100, Robert Spanton wrote: > > So, would be acceptable to register requests for -static package > variants as tickets on bugzilla? Or is there a better way to try to > encourage people to generate these packages? Providing static libraries for user needs like

Re: refining the feature process

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:28:46AM -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > I don't recall any situation where someone submitted a feature at the > deadline without having done anything and then scrambling for two weeks > to finish by feature freeze. I'm looking at the current situation. If we had hard, ea

Re: Voting Process [WAS: FESCo decision on systemd]

2010-09-15 Thread Christof Damian
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 19:59, Sven Lankes wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:36:40PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > >> Gregdek mentioned voter fatigue on FAB a while back.  I know exactly what >> he's talking about though I'm not quite sure how to fix it.  I suppose >> meeting fatigue isn't much d

[Bug 625363] Upgrade to new upstream version

2010-09-15 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 625363] Upgrade to new upstream version

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[Bug 625363] Upgrade to new upstream version

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[Bug 625363] Upgrade to new upstream version

2010-09-15 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=625363 --- Comment #10 from Fedora Update System 2010-09-15 14:28:26 EDT --- perl-Directory-Queue-1.0-1.el4 has been pushed to the Fed

Re: refining the feature process

2010-09-15 Thread John Poelstra
Matthew Miller said the following on 09/15/2010 07:57 AM Pacific Time: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 03:37:55PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: >> I'm a bit confused. You spend the rest of the mail talking about when >> the feature freeze is for F15, but I'm not sure why. As long as F15 is >> open and it

Re: Problem with 2.6.35.4-12.fc14.x86_64

2010-09-15 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/9/15 Michal Schmidt : > On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:44:47 +0200 Morten P.D. Stevens wrote: >> Does anyone know something about this issue? >>[...] >> === >> [ INFO: suspicious rcu_dereference_check() usage. ] >> ---

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread John Poelstra
Thorsten Leemhuis said the following on 09/15/2010 12:09 AM Pacific Time: > Toshio Kuratomi wrote on 15.09.2010 04:54: >> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 07:02:33PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:48:13 -0400 >>> Máirín Duffy wrote: Only 5 of the 9 FESCo members voted on this iss

Re: Problem with 2.6.35.4-12.fc14.x86_64

2010-09-15 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:44:47 +0200 Morten P.D. Stevens wrote: > Does anyone know something about this issue? >[...] > === > [ INFO: suspicious rcu_dereference_check() usage. ] > --- > kernel/sched.c:616

Re: Voting Process [WAS: FESCo decision on systemd]

2010-09-15 Thread Sven Lankes
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:36:40PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > Gregdek mentioned voter fatigue on FAB a while back. I know exactly what > he's talking about though I'm not quite sure how to fix it. I suppose > meeting fatigue isn't much different. http://www.public-software-group.org/liquid_fe

Re: Problem while building mono-2.8

2010-09-15 Thread Roland McGrath
> I've not come across this (mainly as I've not been that active due to a > mix of work problems and hardware problems which meant a big > re-install). Most of mono is built, but I've just hit this error > > *** ERROR: No build ID note found > in > /home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/mono-2.8-1.fc15.i3

Re: Voting Process [WAS: FESCo decision on systemd]

2010-09-15 Thread Mike McGrath
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, Jon Masters wrote: > On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 21:26 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 19:02 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > I'm happy to look for ways to make the other fesco voices heard. > > > Any ideas? I could try making the tickets have some more descripti

Re: -static packages

2010-09-15 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 17:06 +0100, Robert Spanton wrote: > I've recently had to link a fair amount of my work statically so that > it'll run on a cluster of RHEL machines. Unfortunately, I am just a > user of these machines, and so I don't have the power to get them to run > Fedora or even to get

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 01:31:50PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 14:27 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > > Personally, I'm very sad because of deferring systemd to F15. It may > > cause slipping of SysV-free Fedora to F16, full year wait from now. And > > integration as ses

Re: -static packages

2010-09-15 Thread Tom Lane
"Bryn M. Reeves" writes: > On 09/15/2010 05:06 PM, Robert Spanton wrote: >> So, would be acceptable to register requests for -static package >> variants as tickets on bugzilla? Or is there a better way to try to >> encourage people to generate these packages? > You might find the Fedora packagin

Voting Process [WAS: FESCo decision on systemd]

2010-09-15 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 21:26 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 19:02 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > I'm happy to look for ways to make the other fesco voices heard. > > Any ideas? I could try making the tickets have some more descriptive > > subject like "HEY VOTE ON THIS PLEASE BEF

Today is the LAST DAY to fix bugs for the Fedora 14 Beta

2010-09-15 Thread John Poelstra
The Fedora 14 Beta RC compose is scheduled for tomorrow. ALL open bugs on Fedora 14 Blocker list (http://bit.ly/cZKo9K) MUST BE FIXED TODAY or we risk delaying the release. In other words we are very short on time to address the remaining bugs. Here is the current state of things based on the

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 17:20:22 +0200, drago01 wrote: > > I said _someone_ not _you_ ;) ... if Lougher is working on it fine. It's on his to do list, which isn't really the same thing. Lately he has been doing more getting the extended attributes feature cleaned up and a bit with the lzo stuf

Re: -static packages

2010-09-15 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 09/15/2010 05:06 PM, Robert Spanton wrote: > Hi, > > I've recently had to link a fair amount of my work statically so that > it'll run on a cluster of RHEL machines. Unfortunately, I am just a > user of these machines, and so I don't have the power to get them to run > Fedora or even to get th

Re: -static packages

2010-09-15 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 05:06:20PM +0100, Robert Spanton wrote: > I've recently had to link a fair amount of my work statically so that > it'll run on a cluster of RHEL machines. Unfortunately, I am just a > user of these machines, and so I don't have the power to get them to run > Fedora or even

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:53:51AM -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: > If I have to wait for the next release of Fedora (14 for example) to > get KDE 4.5 then it's looking like the stable updates vision has made If you need the absolute latest of everything without waiting three months for the release,

[Bug 634133] perl-DBD-SQLite-1.31 is available

2010-09-15 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634133 --- Comment #2 from Petr Sabata 2010-09-15 12:07:34 EDT --- Thanks Paul. I've been playing with the failing tests for a while no

-static packages

2010-09-15 Thread Robert Spanton
Hi, I've recently had to link a fair amount of my work statically so that it'll run on a cluster of RHEL machines. Unfortunately, I am just a user of these machines, and so I don't have the power to get them to run Fedora or even to get the admins to install RHEL packages in a timely manner. Bui

[Bug 634133] perl-DBD-SQLite-1.31 is available

2010-09-15 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634133 Paul Howarth changed: What|Removed |Added --

[Bug 634133] perl-DBD-SQLite-1.31 is available

2010-09-15 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634133 Petr Sabata changed: What|Removed |Added ---

[389-devel] Please Review: (630097) fix coverity Defect Type: Null pointer dereferences issues

2010-09-15 Thread Nathan Kinder
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630097 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=446995&action=edit https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=447038&action=edit https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=447061&action=edit https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=447

Re: python3 rpm macros not available without python3-devel installed

2010-09-15 Thread Robin Lee
Oh, sorry. I may have chosen a bad email subject. This failed scratch build shows what was happening: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2468876 On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Robin Lee wrote: > The main issue is failing to use a macro defined with %__python3 to specify > th

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Brandon Lozza
If I have to wait for the next release of Fedora (14 for example) to get KDE 4.5 then it's looking like the stable updates vision has made Fedora incompatible with what I need. I will need to consider another distribution (OpenSUSE most likely, their GCC 4.5 also doesn't suck; LTO = enabled). After

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Hughes (hughsi...@gmail.com) said: > On 14 September 2010 23:01, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > 21:33:35 The other 2 items I had were: > > 21:33:56 application installer issues > > 21:33:57 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488968 > > 21:34:04 and > > 21:34:05 BuildIdBuild infrastr

Problem with 2.6.35.4-12.fc14.x86_64

2010-09-15 Thread Morten P.D. Stevens
Hi, Does anyone know something about this issue? Setting APIC routing to flat ..TIMER: vector=0x30 apic1=0 pin1=2 apic2=-1 pin2=-1 CPU0: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5450 @ 3.00GHz stepping 0a lockdep: fixing up alternatives. === [ INFO: suspic

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Bill Nottingham
drago01 (drag...@gmail.com) said: > The only real issues pointed out where lack of documentation and > system-config-service integration for native services. > Neither that we have with upstart so not really a regression and thus > warrant a reject. system services have not been migrated to upsta

Problem while building mono-2.8

2010-09-15 Thread Paul F. Johnson
Hi, I've not come across this (mainly as I've not been that active due to a mix of work problems and hardware problems which meant a big re-install). Most of mono is built, but I've just hit this error *** ERROR: No build ID note found in /home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/mono-2.8-1.fc15.i386/usr/li

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 17:11:03 +0200, >  drago01 wrote: >> >> That doesn't work ... someone has to be activly pushing the patches >> upstream .. instead of just waiting and hoping that they magically >> make it in. > > It's somewhere on

F-14 Branched report: 20100915 changes

2010-09-15 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Wed Sep 15 13:15:11 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- RackTables-0.18.3-1.fc14.noarch requires /usr/local/bin/php RackTables-0.18.3-1.fc14.noarch requires perl(File::FnMatch) 1:anjuta-2.30.0.0-2.fc1

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 17:11:03 +0200, drago01 wrote: > > That doesn't work ... someone has to be activly pushing the patches > upstream .. instead of just waiting and hoping that they magically > make it in. It's somewhere on Lougher's to do list. We can still be ready to take advantage of i

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-15 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:38 PM, FlorianFesti wrote: >  While showing the user "applications" instead of packages might be a > good idea for several use cases I think this approach misses the point > here. The questions for redesigning the Updater dialog should be: It is not only about the update

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 07:20:30 -0700, >  John Poelstra wrote: >> >> And we are already reviewing and accepting features for Fedora 15.  The >> process never stops. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy > > Thanks for the r

Re: python3 rpm macros not available without python3-devel installed

2010-09-15 Thread Robin Lee
The main issue is failing to use a macro defined with %__python3 to specify the version of a requirement. The recipe is sth like this: %global py3_ver %(echo `%{__python3} -c "import sys; sys.stdout.write(sys.version[:3])"`) ... Requires: python(abi) = %{py3_ver} On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-15 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 16:38 +0200, FlorianFesti wrote: > So I would suggest an UI that gives a summery (Didn't we already have > that in the past?) and offers 3 buttons: > > [Show/Hide Details] [Do not install updates now] [Install updates now] > > The first being a toggle button hiding/showing

Re: refining the feature process

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 03:37:55PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > I'm a bit confused. You spend the rest of the mail talking about when > the feature freeze is for F15, but I'm not sure why. As long as F15 is > open and it's not frozen (which it obviously isn't, yet) you can start > doing developm

[Bug 633728] perl-Format-Human-Bytes-0.06 is available

2010-09-15 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=633728 Petr Sabata changed: What|Removed |Added ---

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-15 Thread FlorianFesti
While showing the user "applications" instead of packages might be a good idea for several use cases I think this approach misses the point here. The questions for redesigning the Updater dialog should be: What's the user supposed to decide and what information does he need to do so? The ans

Re: refining the feature process

2010-09-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 10:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:14:24AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > > For people wanting to make big changes to F15.. Do it *now*! F15 is in > > its infancy. It's taking shape. If you want your feature to be a > > defining feature of F15. G

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:14 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 14:27 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > > > > Personally, I'm very sad because of deferring systemd to F15. It may > > > cause slipping of SysV-free Fedora to F16, full

Re: python3 rpm macros not available without python3-devel installed

2010-09-15 Thread David Malcolm
I suspect I haven't had enough coffee yet, but I don't see the problem here. Why not simply add "python3-devel" as a build requirement as Ignacio says? If a build requirement isn't installed, it's acceptable for a build to fail: it's a violation of a precondition. On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 19:35 +08

[perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks] 0.11 bump

2010-09-15 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 69e0bc83d7c1bd83b80e732b372686032e10d296 Author: Petr Písař Date: Wed Sep 15 16:33:29 2010 +0200 0.11 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks.spec |7 +-- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 7 insertions(

File HTML-FormatText-WithLinks-0.11.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2010-09-15 Thread Petr Pisar
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refining the feature process

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:14:24AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > For people wanting to make big changes to F15.. Do it *now*! F15 is in > its infancy. It's taking shape. If you want your feature to be a > defining feature of F15. Get it in *now*. This seems like a completely sensible idea. Howe

[Bug 633729] perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks-0.11 is available

2010-09-15 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 07:20:30 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > > And we are already reviewing and accepting features for Fedora 15. The > process never stops. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy Thanks for the reminder; I'll put LZMA back in for F15 and hope the kernel change

[Bug 633725] perl-File-Find-Rule-VCS-1.07 is available

2010-09-15 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread John Poelstra
Mike McGrath said the following on 09/15/2010 07:14 AM Pacific Time: > On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 14:27 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: >> >>>Personally, I'm very sad because of deferring systemd to F15. It may >>> cause slipping of SysV-free Fedora to F1

[perl-File-Find-Rule-VCS] 1.07 bump

2010-09-15 Thread Petr Pisar
commit b33cb75d50ec3b694394945f5f2286fd4cf40cc9 Author: Petr Písař Date: Wed Sep 15 15:34:50 2010 +0200 1.07 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-File-Find-Rule-VCS.spec | 10 +++--- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)

[perl-Format-Human-Bytes] New sources for 0.06

2010-09-15 Thread Petr Sabata
commit b1ee707c871291591973d62dbe13e2bc5f6699db Author: Petr Sabata Date: Wed Sep 15 16:16:11 2010 +0200 New sources for 0.06 .gitignore |1 + sources|2 +- 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore index ff321f7..25f3e8e 100644

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2010-09-15 Thread Petr Sabata
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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Mike McGrath
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 14:27 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > > Personally, I'm very sad because of deferring systemd to F15. It may > > cause slipping of SysV-free Fedora to F16, full year wait from now. And > > integration as session daemon in DEs ev

[perl-Format-Human-Bytes] New release, v0.06

2010-09-15 Thread Petr Sabata
commit 7c54128cdca81f038038baa330d571438e820b33 Author: Petr Sabata Date: Wed Sep 15 16:12:32 2010 +0200 New release, v0.06 Format-Human-Bytes-no-autoinstall.patch | 10 ++ Format-Human-Bytes-switch_off.patch | 12 perl-Format-Human-Bytes.spec| 1

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 03:04:31PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > Is anyone else feeling a little uncomfortable about the voting process, > > > > irregardless of its conclusion? > > > 'regardless'. 'irregardless' would mean 'not regardless'. =) > > The OED disagrees. > Not really. It lists '

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:03 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 14 September 2010 23:01, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > 21:33:35 The other 2 items I had were: > > 21:33:56 application installer issues > > 21:33:57 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488968 > > 21:34:04 and > > 21:34:05 BuildIdB

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 03:04:31PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 14:57 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:48:26PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > 'regardless'. 'irregardless' would mean 'not regardless'. =) > > > > The OED disagrees. > > Not r

[Bug 568172] libvirt does not block signals, causing virt-top to fail when getting sigwinch from a terminal resize

2010-09-15 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 568172] virt-top exits sometimes when the window is resized

2010-09-15 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 14:57 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:48:26PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 20:48 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > > > > > Is anyone else feeling a little uncomfortable about the voting process, > > > irregardless of its conclu

Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-15 Thread John W. Linville
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 08:49:46AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:09:58 -0400, > "John W. Linville" wrote: > > > > AIUI, they main technical reason that they were finally willing to > > open-up was that they were able to add some regulatory enforcement code > > in th

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:48:26PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 20:48 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > > > Is anyone else feeling a little uncomfortable about the voting process, > > irregardless of its conclusion? > > 'regardless'. 'irregardless' would mean 'not regardless'.

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Kyle McMartin
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 04:01:03PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * pjones and ajax are traveling today, will not be able to attend. > (nirik, 19:30:30) Sorry, I thought I had mentioned this on IRC before, but I have a conflict with the current scheduling for the next four months due to a class

Re: Broadcom wifi drivers in F-14?

2010-09-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:09:58 -0400, "John W. Linville" wrote: > > AIUI, they main technical reason that they were finally willing to > open-up was that they were able to add some regulatory enforcement code > in their firmware. The added firmware functionality required more > firmware reso

Re: Revisor and live_ram

2010-09-15 Thread Trever Fischer
> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 01:25 -0400, Trever Fischer wrote: >> Excuse me if this is the wrong place to send this. >> >> As my fedora ambassador duties, I tend to show other students the neat >> things you can do with Fedora with my trusty USB drive I always keep on >> my >> keychain. More often tha

File File-ShareDir-1.02.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2010-09-15 Thread Petr Pisar
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[Bug 633726] perl-File-ShareDir-1.02 is available

2010-09-15 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 568172] virt-top exits sometimes when the window is resized

2010-09-15 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 01:05:34AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > There's something seriously wrong with the Fedora development > process, folks. And with you, FESCO. You excelled in erratic behaviour, > not in steering engineering. Lennart, I don't think you're being fair. I tried to alert yo

File File-Find-Rule-VCS-1.07.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2010-09-15 Thread Petr Pisar
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