Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-18 Thread Aaron Sowry
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 04:31:08PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > The apps that I've seen where they do something special like paging the > output by default, will not do that if the output is a non-active tty, > such as a pipe. When you pipe it into something it'll react differently. Yes, and t

Re: /etc/bash_completion.d/ vs /usr/share/bash-completion/

2011-06-18 Thread Ville Skyttä
On 06/17/2011 08:43 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > Both seem to be in use by various packages. Which one is thought to be > "correct"? Should this be in the guidelines somewhere? I'd say at the moment nothing besides bash-completion itself should be installing files to /usr/share/bash-completion, a

appletalk+psnap+ipx modules in the kernel-3.0-0.rc3.git5.1.fc16

2011-06-18 Thread Lucas
Dear All I have installed the latest kernel from koji and found out that now I have 3 new modules: appletalk psnap ipx I know what is IPX. But do we really need to have AppleTalk always loaded in the kernel? What is "psnap"? Thanks -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-18 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:06:02PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > So my guess would be to make kvm/qemu bigger.. make it work in Windows. Apart from WinKVM already mentioned, you can run straight qemu on Windows. It works like a charm, not very fast, but good enough for testing things. We

Queries regarding packaging of static libraries

2011-06-18 Thread Ankur Sinha
Hello, I'm working on packaging required software to add to the fedora medical initiative. Of late, I've come across quite a few *tiny* libraries which are build deps for the software. The issue with most of these are that they only provide static libraries. These are generally libraries used by

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-18 Thread Ville Skyttä
On 06/18/2011 01:06 AM, Aaron Sowry wrote: > n Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:41:14PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: >> As you point out, git-log and --help do this too. It's excellent. >> Make it configurable if you must, but I'd be interested to think why >> you think it's not always the useful thing to

Re: Queries regarding packaging of static libraries

2011-06-18 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 03:28:01PM +0530, Ankur Sinha wrote: > Hello, > > I'm working on packaging required software to add to the fedora medical > initiative. > > Of late, I've come across quite a few *tiny* libraries which are build > deps for the software. The issue with most of these are tha

Re: Self Introduction

2011-06-18 Thread Paul Flo Williams
Khusro Jaleel wrote: > > I asked Máirín Duffy on twitter what I could > do to contribute for packages and she suggested fonts as an easy place > to start so here I am :-) She might have been half joking. Although packaging fonts is theoretically easy because of the packaging templates we use, the

Re: Queries regarding packaging of static libraries

2011-06-18 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 11:17 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > The correct way is to patch the Makefiles so they can build shared > libraries, to send those patches upstream, and to unbundle any bundled > libraries. It's quite a bit of work, but if upstream accept your > patches then hopefully it'

release 3.0-0.rc3.git0.3.fc16.x86_64=3.0.0 gives version code 196608 endless loop: microcode: CPU0: family 15 not supported

2011-06-18 Thread Cecil Funderburk
I upgraded to release 3.0-0.rc3.git0.3.fc16.x86_64=3.0.0 gives version code 196608 Now I get an endless loop error CPU0: family 15 not supported, which has udevd running and putting an extreme load on my CPU. I am including less /proc/cpuinfo and lsmod|sort for help I have a Gateway LT 3103 netbo

Re: release 3.0-0.rc3.git0.3.fc16.x86_64=3.0.0 gives version code 196608 endless loop: microcode: CPU0: family 15 not supported

2011-06-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On 18/06/11 12:19, Cecil Funderburk wrote: > > I upgraded to release 3.0-0.rc3.git0.3.fc16.x86_64=3.0.0 gives version > code 196608 > Try: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=248428 see if it fixes anything for you. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of fedoraprojec

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 17.06.11 22:16, Aaron Sowry (aaron...@aeneby.se) wrote: > Hello, Heya, > I'd like to discuss the behaviour of systemctl. See RH bug 713567 for > context. To summarise: > > - 'systemctl --all' pages by default when the output is to tty. This > consumes 50-60+ lines of potentially bug-

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 18.06.11 10:46, Aaron Sowry (aaron...@aeneby.se) wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 04:31:08PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > > The apps that I've seen where they do something special like paging the > > output by default, will not do that if the output is a non-active tty, > > such as a pi

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 18.06.11 13:02, Ville Skyttä (ville.sky...@iki.fi) wrote: > > On 06/18/2011 01:06 AM, Aaron Sowry wrote: > > n Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:41:14PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: > >> As you point out, git-log and --help do this too. It's excellent. > >> Make it configurable if you must, but I'

systemctl F16\Rawhide RFE\Bug\My Ignorance?

2011-06-18 Thread Frank Murphy
In terminal systemctl status plymouth* returns no units. systemctl list-units returns too much What woul I use to list just a subsection, like plymouth* or any other similar services. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedora

Re: systemctl F16\Rawhide RFE\Bug\My Ignorance?

2011-06-18 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > In terminal > > systemctl status plymouth* > returns no units. > > systemctl list-units > returns too much > > What woul I use to list just a subsection, > like plymouth* or any other similar services. > > How about "systemctl list-units| gre

Re: scorched3d needs a new owner

2011-06-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 08:16:26 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi, > > I've not been able to give scorched3d the attention it deserves lately. > Specifically > it is lagging with upstream for a while now and really needs to be rebased to > upstream latest. > > Is anyone willing to become a ne

Re: systemctl F16\Rawhide RFE\Bug\My Ignorance?

2011-06-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On 18/06/11 13:22, Peter Robinson wrote: > > How about "systemctl list-units| grep plymouth" > > Peter > Unfortunatly gives nothing as a return, though there should be at least 4 services. systemctl list-units | grep systemd returns 14 services so grep works. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 En

Re: systemctl F16\Rawhide RFE\Bug\My Ignorance?

2011-06-18 Thread Ian Chapman
On 18/06/11 20:36, Frank Murphy wrote: > Unfortunatly gives nothing as a return, > though there should be at least 4 services. What about systemctl --all | grep -i plymouth -- Ian Chapman. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/de

Re: scorched3d needs a new owner

2011-06-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 08:16:26 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi, > > I've not been able to give scorched3d the attention it deserves lately. > Specifically > it is lagging with upstream for a while now and really needs to be rebased to > upstream latest. > > Is anyone willing to become a ne

Re: systemctl F16\Rawhide RFE\Bug\My Ignorance?

2011-06-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On 18/06/11 13:41, Ian Chapman wrote: > On 18/06/11 20:36, Frank Murphy wrote: > >> Unfortunatly gives nothing as a return, >> though there should be at least 4 services. > > > What about > > systemctl --all | grep -i plymouth > That did it, thank you. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Fri

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-18 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> I'd like to discuss the behaviour of systemctl. See RH bug 713567 for >> context. To summarise: >> >> - 'systemctl --all' pages by default when the output is to tty. This >>   consumes 50-60+ lines of potentially bug-prone code, and ir

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-18 Thread Ville Skyttä
On 06/18/2011 03:02 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Ask us nicely and we'll add SYSTEMD_PAGER for you, taking precedence > over PAGER. > > Even more convincing might be prepping a patch for this. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38439 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-18 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/17/2011 11:36 PM, Evandro Giovanini wrote: those who are want to rewrite/modify GNOME3. > > No, I'm not. There are several working extensions *today*, I'm simply > suggesting that people not 100% satisfied with the default GNOME 3 > experience go out there and experiment with them. > > It'

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-18 Thread Aaron Sowry
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 01:55:43PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > - 'systemctl --all' pages by default when the output is to tty. This > > consumes 50-60+ lines of potentially bug-prone code, and irks the > > crap out of me as a system administrator. systemctl's jurisdiction > > ends at

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 18.06.11 16:39, Aaron Sowry (aaron...@aeneby.se) wrote: > > > - The same command outputs column headers on tty, and no headers > > > otherwise. This is inconsistent. If I am outputting to a file, or > > > perhaps a printer, and want headers on my non-tty output, I have to > > > add t

Re: scorched3d needs a new owner

2011-06-18 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 06/18/2011 02:23 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 08:16:26 +0200, >Hans de Goede wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've not been able to give scorched3d the attention it deserves lately. >> Specifically >> it is lagging with upstream for a while now and really needs to be rebase

Re: scorched3d needs a new owner

2011-06-18 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 06/18/2011 02:34 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 08:16:26 +0200, >Hans de Goede wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've not been able to give scorched3d the attention it deserves lately. >> Specifically >> it is lagging with upstream for a while now and really needs to be rebase

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-18 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > For more 'advanced' users, the keyboard shortcuts are there, and you're > probably going to want to use them if you don't want to gnaw your own > legs off out of boredom. No, they're not particularly discoverable: it's > very difficult to d

Re: scorched3d needs a new owner

2011-06-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 18:36:14 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > > I think we want the update just for F-15. So that people who prefer to stick > on the conservative side of things, who will likely still be running F-14, > won't > get it. I have the easy stuff done already. Now I need to work o

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-18 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi. On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:25:36 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote > another way is deeply rooted in Linux heritage. Autopaging is just a > small step forward in that area. And a very welcome one. Do you have anything to back that claim up? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org http

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 08:42 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > For more 'advanced' users, the keyboard shortcuts are there, and you're > > probably going to want to use them if you don't want to gnaw your own > > legs off out of boredom. No, th

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-18 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > That's a pretty unique example. It's really not core desktop > functionality; it's an easter egg, really. I think it was initially put > in purely for the use of GNOME PR / documentation people, and left in > because it wasn't hurting anyth

Re: Self Introduction

2011-06-18 Thread Khusro Jaleel
On 18/06/11 11:20, Paul Flo Williams wrote: > She might have been half joking. Although packaging fonts is theoretically > easy because of the packaging templates we use, the state of upstream > archives is often very poor, with no clear versioning, missing licenses > and limited language coverage.

Re: appletalk+psnap+ipx modules in the kernel-3.0-0.rc3.git5.1.fc16

2011-06-18 Thread Dave Jones
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:54:14PM +0400, Lucas wrote: > Dear All > > I have installed the latest kernel from koji and found out that now I have 3 > new modules: > appletalk > psnap > ipx > > I know what is IPX. > > But do we really need to have AppleTalk always loaded in the kernel?

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-18 Thread Aaron Sowry
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 05:25:36PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > You know, I'd prefer if you take up your beef with "ls" first. Have you > ever compared the output of "ls" and of "ls | cat"? And that's just the > most obvious case. Yes, but the difference here is that "ls" does not re-impleme

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 18.06.11 21:52, Aaron Sowry (aaron...@aeneby.se) wrote: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 05:25:36PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > You know, I'd prefer if you take up your beef with "ls" first. Have you > > ever compared the output of "ls" and of "ls | cat"? And that's just the > > most obv

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 10:00 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > Just to be clear, eould you also consider the binding the Prnt Scrn > labeled keyboard key to the screenshot took as non-core easter egg > functionality? Probably not, but I wouldn't say they're equivalent. I don't think many people expect

Orphaning Slim, To Jan Kaluža for Fedora 16 Rawhide

2011-06-18 Thread Lucas
I know that you was going to orphan Slim, but I would like to ask you for some additional help with it. I found that slim currently works with pam but it looks like not properly. In the March post in XFCE lists there is the message: