On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:13:48PM -0700, Garrett Holmstrom wrote:
> Neither bodhi nor mash appears to consider systemd to be in the critical
> path. Why is this? Is that the way we want it to be?
>
We should get that corrected. notting has ben promising to get a script
that integrates with mas
Neither bodhi nor mash appears to consider systemd to be in the critical
path. Why is this? Is that the way we want it to be?
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Tasque has upstream bugs, and there has been no new release for over a
year. Some of the bugs may be fixable with patches, but one of its
dependencies, evolution-sharp has been deprecated in Fedora 16.
Consequently, I am orphaning this package.
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On 08/25/2011 04:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> If Firefox were following the update policy, they'd backport the security
> fixes, not push the new versions.
That is just not true
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy#Security_fixes
"If upstream does not provide security fixes for a parti
Gerald Henriksen wrote:
> In addition to the warning that Gimp 2.7.* is considered unstable and
> not to be used in production (aka in a distribution),
That's why my point is that F16 should ship with 2.6 and get upgraded to 2.8
once it is stable.
> it comes with a warning that they are cleaning
I'm been having nothing but grief with bodhi buildroot overrides. Latest:
$ bodhi --my-overrides
1 Buildroot Overrides submitted by orion
[ plplot-5.9.8-2.fc16 ]
* Notes: Need to rebuild plplot users for soname bump
* Submitter: orion
* Submitted: 2
On Aug 24, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Jesse Keating (jkeat...@j2solutions.net) said:
>> Some of the argument here is that it is difficult to do this from a remote
>> host. You'd have to engage in remote execution of software, e.g. using
>> nagios nrpe to remotely (from the nagi
On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Lars Seipel wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:52:23 AM Jesse Keating wrote:
>
>> That would require your nagios (or other monitoring) system to be running
>> systemd, which may not be the case for quite a while :)
>
> Why? When used to access remote machines s
On Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:52:23 AM Jesse Keating wrote:
> That would require your nagios (or other monitoring) system to be running
> systemd, which may not be the case for quite a while :)
Why? When used to access remote machines systemctl shouldn't require running
systemd locally.
Lars
On 08/23/2011 12:47 PM, Thomas Moschny wrote:
> 2011/8/23 Orion Poplawski:
>> See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=719785 for the motivation
>>
>> The environment module system allows users to modify their environment in a
>> predictable way, including setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH. However,
Jesse Keating (jkeat...@j2solutions.net) said:
> Some of the argument here is that it is difficult to do this from a remote
> host. You'd have to engage in remote execution of software, e.g. using
> nagios nrpe to remotely (from the nagios system) execute commands on the
> database system to c
On 08/24/2011 12:24 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
> When libvirt starts dnsmasq, it tells it to ignore the configuration
> file and passes all of the parameters on the command line. If you want
> dnsmasq to not listen on 0.0.0.0:53 when it's started by libvirt, you'll
> have to take that up with the libv
Quoting TASAKA Mamoru :
> http://developer.gimp.org/NEWS
> says
>
> Changes in GIMP 2.7.3
> =
> Source and build system:
> - Remove gimp-remote for good, it has been disabled for years
>
> Regards,
> Mamoru
>
>
Thanks, Mamoru.
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On 08/22/2011 06:35 PM, Paul Wouters wrote:
> If it could also not grab port 0.0.0.0:53 in the future, that would be
> great. I'd like to work with whichever libvirt developer takes this
> package on.
Are you talking about dnsmasq or the way that libvirt uses dnsmasq?
The interfaces on which dnsm
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=733103
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=519695&action=diff
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=519695&action=edit
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:25:16 -0400
Omair Majid wrote:
> On 08/23/2011 04:44 AM, Jussi Lehtola wrote:
> > $ ant -lib %{_datadir}/icedtea-web/plugin.jar doc main
> > doesn't work, it still fails in the same error.
>
> There are two things that were causing problems. The spec file was
> setting cla
On Aug 24, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Wed, 24.08.11 10:10, Jesse Keating (jkeat...@j2solutions.net) wrote:
>
FWIW, I do think that there may be use-cases for socket activation of a
database. I'd like to support the option ... the problem is to do so
without b
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 19:59 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Wed, 24.08.11 10:05, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > > FWIW, I do think that there may be use-cases for socket activation of a
> > > database. I'd like to support the option ... the problem is to do so
> > > with
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 20:19 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Wed, 24.08.11 10:10, Jesse Keating (jkeat...@j2solutions.net) wrote:
>
> > >> FWIW, I do think that there may be use-cases for socket activation of a
> > >> database. I'd like to support the option ... the problem is to do so
> > >
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 19:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Wed, 24.08.11 11:18, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > > FWIW, I do think that there may be use-cases for socket activation of a
> > > database. I'd like to support the option ... the problem is to do so
> > > without break
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 19:44 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Wed, 24.08.11 10:56, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > > > a random connection. There many reasons why you may have stopped the db
> > > > (or it may have stopped itself) and requires inspection before
> > > > attempting a n
On Wed, 24.08.11 10:10, Jesse Keating (jkeat...@j2solutions.net) wrote:
> >> FWIW, I do think that there may be use-cases for socket activation of a
> >> database. I'd like to support the option ... the problem is to do so
> >> without breaking existing, expected behaviors.
> >
> > It was noted
On Wed, 24.08.11 20:22, Alexander Kurtakov (akurt...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> On 20:17:14 Wednesday 24 August 2011 Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 09:06 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > > > If the service is enabled but the daemon not currently running, is it
> > > > so terrible for a
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> The other option is for someone to build packages and host them on
>> fedorapeople.org as a personal repository.
>>
>> I certainly wouldn't mind trying 2.7+ but I would like the abilit
On Wed, 24.08.11 17:09, Hans de Goede (hdego...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 08/24/2011 04:56 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:10 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 09:06:22AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 14:37 -0700, Adam Wi
On Wed, 24.08.11 10:05, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > FWIW, I do think that there may be use-cases for socket activation of a
> > database. I'd like to support the option ... the problem is to do so
> > without breaking existing, expected behaviors.
>
> It was noted up-thread
On Wed, 24.08.11 11:18, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > FWIW, I do think that there may be use-cases for socket activation of a
> > database. I'd like to support the option ... the problem is to do so
> > without breaking existing, expected behaviors.
>
> I am not sure you can, the only
On Wed, 24.08.11 11:40, Andrew McNabb (amcn...@mcnabbs.org) wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 06:14:34PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> >
> > systemctl list-unit-files is what you are looking for. It's simpler even
> > than chkconfig --list.
>
> When I run "systemctl list-unit-files", I ge
On Wed, 24.08.11 10:56, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > > a random connection. There many reasons why you may have stopped the db
> > > (or it may have stopped itself) and requires inspection before
> > > attempting a new restart. Having to battle with socket activation while
> > > in a cr
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Jef Spaleta wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Alexander Kurtakov
> wrote:
>
>> I want to add one more POV - not every database is constantly-used.
>> Example
>> usage is Amarok using mysql database and I really want mysql to not be
>> started
>> until
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732541
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=519679&action=edit
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On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 06:14:34PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>
> systemctl list-unit-files is what you are looking for. It's simpler even
> than chkconfig --list.
When I run "systemctl list-unit-files", I get a "Unknown operation
list-unit-files" error. Did you mean "systemctl list-units"
On Wed, 24.08.11 10:45, Tom Lane (t...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> Reindl Harald writes:
> > Am 23.08.2011 23:28, schrieb Tom Lane:
> >> there's no other way for "mysqladmin ping" to work, for example
>
> > and where is the problem?
>
> I'm not planning on repeating myself either, but: a database
>
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Alexander Kurtakov wrote:
> I want to add one more POV - not every database is constantly-used. Example
> usage is Amarok using mysql database and I really want mysql to not be
> started
> until I start Amarok. Not that this is very common usage scenario but
> sti
On 20:17:14 Wednesday 24 August 2011 Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 09:06 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > > If the service is enabled but the daemon not currently running, is it
> > > so terrible for a connection test to cause the daemon to start?
> > > Remember, in systemd logic 'serv
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:44, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=719785 for the motivation
>
> The environment module system allows users to modify their environment in a
> predictable way, including setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH. However, this makes it
> possible
On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 11:08 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
>> Simo Sorce writes:
>>> On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:10 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 09:06:22AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> It generally is a bad idea to automat
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 11:08 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> Simo Sorce writes:
> > On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:10 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 09:06:22AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> >>> It generally is a bad idea to automatically restart a database based on
> >>> a random connec
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 09:06 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > If the service is enabled but the daemon not currently running, is it so
> > terrible for a connection test to cause the daemon to start? Remember,
> > in systemd logic 'service enabled with socket activation, daemon not
> > currently runnin
On 08/24/2011 05:05 PM, Kai Engert wrote:
>
> I would appreciate contributions, reviews, specific proposals.
>
I did note some of the prominent ones in my first mail
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-August/155758.html
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:SourceURL
https:
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>> It could be built to be installed in parallel with 2.6 - which would
>> allow those who want to test/play with it.
>
> The other option is for someone to build packages and host them
On 08/24/2011 05:11 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> It is also utterly ridiculous and pointless if you consider the fact
> that the Firefox maintainers are allowed to push major (first digit!
> Not minor like 2.6 to 2.8) version increments as "security" updates…
> (Ironically, Firefox used to be one of t
Compose started at Wed Aug 24 13:15:20 UTC 2011
Broken deps for x86_64
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On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:31:55AM -0700, John Reiser wrote:
> > ... I understand that some one is working on reducing the memory footprint
> > of anaconda.
> >
> > Will it be ready for F16?
>
> The "treebuilder" branch of lorax, where such a project is being developed,
> is not complete today.
I am orphaning the techtalk-pse package because the Gtk2::MozEmbed perl
module will no longer be maintained in Fedora because gtkmozembed
support has been removed from xulrunner.
If upstream (or anybody) has the time to work on techtalk-pse and get it
working with something like Gtk2::WebKit, I'm
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 11:08 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> Simo Sorce writes:
> > On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:10 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 09:06:22AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> >>> It generally is a bad idea to automatically restart a database based on
> >>> a random connec
Simo Sorce writes:
> On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:10 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 09:06:22AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
>>> It generally is a bad idea to automatically restart a database based on
>>> a random connection. There many reasons why you may have stopped the db
>>>
Hi,
On 08/24/2011 04:56 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:10 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 09:06:22AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 14:37 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
Why not?
If the service is enabled but the daemon no
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:10 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 09:06:22AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 14:37 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > Why not?
> > >
> > > If the service is enabled but the daemon not currently running, is it so
> > > terrible f
Reindl Harald writes:
> Am 23.08.2011 23:28, schrieb Tom Lane:
>> there's no other way for "mysqladmin ping" to work, for example
> and where is the problem?
I'm not planning on repeating myself either, but: a database
*monitoring* tool, as opposed to a vanilla client, needs to know whether
the
FYI, I have placed JB on moderation on this list.
I'll be happy to let through posts that are not personal attacks.
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Am 23.08.2011 23:28, schrieb Tom Lane:
> Yeah. Another way in which socket activation is not transparent is that
> code might try to determine whether the service is running by seeing
> whether a connection attempt succeeds.
well if you have enabled the service and a listening socket
it is th
Am 24.08.2011 15:04, schrieb Simo Sorce:
> I fail to see any reason why you would want to socket-activate a
> database. Either you need the database, so it should start asap, or
> don't
because systemd as shipped with F15 CAN NOT make sure that if it
means "i have started mysql" mysqld is ready
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> It could be built to be installed in parallel with 2.6 - which would
> allow those who want to test/play with it.
The other option is for someone to build packages and host them on
fedorapeople.org as a personal repository.
I certainly w
It could be built to be installed in parallel with 2.6 - which would
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On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 09:06:22AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 14:37 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Why not?
> >
> > If the service is enabled but the daemon not currently running, is it so
> > terrible for a connection test to cause the daemon to start? Remember,
> > in sy
Luya Tshimbalanga wrote, at 08/24/2011 09:45 AM +9:00:
> Attempting to build rpm version of gimp 2.7.3 ended with failure from
> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3297263
>
> For some reasons, I am puzzled about gimp-remote not built with this version
> while it did with 2.7.2. Can
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:41:41 +0200, you wrote:
>Nicu Buculei wrote:
>> And we the people using it for real work still remember the times when
>> Fedora used to be a bleeding edge distro and had such GIMP updated...
>
>+1
>
>The new update strategy (because it IS new, contrary to what some lazy
>m
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 09:05 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
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> On 08/23/2011 10:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > Steve Grubb wrote:
> >> I think it was mentioned before that systemd is consuming a lot
> >> of memory.
> >
> > The amount quoted was actu
perl-NOCpulse-Gritch has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree:
On x86_64:
perl-NOCpulse-Gritch-1.27.9-1.fc16.noarch requires
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3)
On i386:
perl-NOCpulse-Gritch-1.27.9-1.fc16.noarch requires
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3)
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perl-SOAP-Lite has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree:
On x86_64:
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On i386:
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perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3)
On i386:
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-9.fc16.noarch requires
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3)
Please resolve this as soon as
On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 14:37 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 17:28 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> > Simo Sorce writes:
> > > ... If instead the socket is listening but not really accepting and
> > > processing requests, then yes, you can have a deadlock.
> >
> > > So socket activat
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On 08/23/2011 10:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Steve Grubb wrote:
>> I think it was mentioned before that systemd is consuming a lot
>> of memory.
>
> The amount quoted was actually ridiculously small considering both
> today's memory sizes and the fac
On Tue, 2011-08-23 at 17:28 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> Simo Sorce writes:
> > ... If instead the socket is listening but not really accepting and
> > processing requests, then yes, you can have a deadlock.
>
> > So socket activation is not transparent by any means and needs to be
> > handled very c
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On 24/08/11 14:18, JB wrote:
> This guy is a loose cannon, with an outsized ego, but lacking UNIX
> understanding and design skills.
Ok, it's getting clear, both of you won't become best friends.
Assuming, all arguments were written to this list, p
JB gmail.com> writes:
> ...
> There is a video on Youtube (I can not find the link right now, it is on
> www.osnews.com article in comments section) from a German Linux sysadmin
> presentation in Munich, in 2009 I believe - with Lennart present in
> the audience and constantly interrupting the pr
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:18:57PM +, JB wrote:
> Richard Hughes gmail.com> writes:
>
> >
> > On 24 August 2011 01:35, JB gmail.com> wrote:
> > > ...do not expect them to accept your sick "world domination" drive
> >
> > ...and this is why some upstream developers have unsubscribed from
>
Richard Hughes gmail.com> writes:
>
> On 24 August 2011 01:35, JB gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...do not expect them to accept your sick "world domination" drive
>
> ...and this is why some upstream developers have unsubscribed from
> fedora-devel list. Ever wonder why people like David Zeuthen
> uns
Nicu Buculei wrote:
> And we the people using it for real work still remember the times when
> Fedora used to be a bleeding edge distro and had such GIMP updated...
+1
The new update strategy (because it IS new, contrary to what some lazy
maintainers who always refused to follow the old policy o
On 24.08.2011 12:04, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 08/22/2011 03:01 AM, Kai Engert wrote:
>> On 20.08.2011 13:59, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>> On 08/20/2011 03:57 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
Putting Firefox maintainers on CC to have a definite word on this, but
I suspect that Seamonkey is generally c
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:36:55AM +0300, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
> >
> > If you open a bug on fuse-s3fs with the problem you encountered, I'll
> > gladly fix
> > it.
>
> ok,
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732939
>
Thanks, I'll take care of it today.
Neil
>
> >
> > I've tried the
On 08/22/2011 03:01 AM, Kai Engert wrote:
> On 20.08.2011 13:59, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> On 08/20/2011 03:57 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
>>> Putting Firefox maintainers on CC to have a definite word on this, but
>>> I suspect that Seamonkey is generally completely in the arms of
>>> community. I guess i
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 06:11:45PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> Another way of saying this is: people are used to being able to check
> if a service is up without thereby changing its state. Consider for
> example somebody who has a nagios alert set to check database server
> availability every few se
On 24 August 2011 01:35, JB wrote:
> ...do not expect them to accept your sick "world domination" drive
...and this is why some upstream developers have unsubscribed from
fedora-devel list. Ever wonder why people like David Zeuthen
unsubscribed? People like you.
I'm also ---> <--- this close to
>
> If you open a bug on fuse-s3fs with the problem you encountered, I'll gladly
> fix
> it.
ok,
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732939
>
> I've tried the google code s3fs as well, and not had any luck in fixing it up.
> I think thats probably a dead end.
>
I've tried the rpm in th
On 08/23/2011 11:44 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=719785 for the motivation
>
> The environment module system allows users to modify their environment in a
> predictable way, including setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH. However, this makes it
> possible to brea
On 08/23/2011 11:34 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>>>
>>> Are there any plans to bring gimp 2.7.x -> 2.8 into F16 ?
>>
>> Is there a specific reason to? The home page states that t
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