On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Przemek Klosowski
wrote:
> Length beats out larger character set, which is nicely illustrated by
> the XKCD cartoon
>
> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/password_strength.png
Be careful, that xkcd strip glosses over how that phrase was actually
generated. If you just p
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:48:57PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Sure. However, if you have multiple keys with multiple passphrases, then
> it's extra work to compromise each key.
Not true at all. If I keep my key(s) in a single location (a secure
machine at my home), then either all keys in th
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 02:59:31PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> 2) We've found PRIVATE keys on our servers
By all means educate these users with a large clue-stick.
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On 10/12/11 19:53, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 13:45 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
>
>> I have no problem with changing the password, but leave my ssh keys
>> alone, unless there is a real reason to ask people to change them.
>
> Reading between the lines of recent attacks, it seems l
Tomas Mraz writes:
> And if this malicious DNS administrator controls the caching
> nameserver you're using for DNS queries, he can present you ANY data
> even 'valid' fake DNSSEC data.
This is not generally true. Resolver libraries can (and should, IMHO)
verify DNSSEC themselves. Otherwise DNSS
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 02:18:20PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:13:11 +0200
> Tomas Mraz wrote:
>
> >
> > OK, but then you should not penalize also the people who keep their
> > SSH private keys only on safe private computers.
>
> We're sorry if it's causing you inconvenie
Hi,
> Sure, ssh keys are much harder to compromise than passwords, but
> _assuming a compromise has happened_ the consequences of using a single
> key for everything are just as bad as using a single password for
> everything.
One ssh key per project doesn't make sense at all to me. They all
On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 10:29 +0200, Benny Amorsen wrote:
> Tomas Mraz writes:
>
> > And if this malicious DNS administrator controls the caching
> > nameserver you're using for DNS queries, he can present you ANY data
> > even 'valid' fake DNSSEC data.
>
> This is not generally true. Resolver li
Hi,
> What can we do there? We can't separate out those with good practices
> and those without.
For starters block ssh keys found @ fedorapeople.org ?
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commit bd880bbc484622e21bbf81eb0f92ce638b917e6b
Author: Ralf Corsépius
Date: Thu Oct 13 10:52:50 2011 +0200
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On 10/12/2011 09:59 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011, Henrik Nordström wrote:
>
>> ons 2011-10-12 klockan 13:04 -0500 skrev Mike McGrath:
>>
>>> Lots of people use and share keys across different projects.
>>
>> There is no security issue in sharing kes across different projects,
>> ot
On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 10:59 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 10/12/2011 09:59 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011, Henrik Nordström wrote:
> >
> >> ons 2011-10-12 klockan 13:04 -0500 skrev Mike McGrath:
> >>
> >>> Lots of people use and share keys across different projects.
> >>
> >>
On 10/13/2011 11:13 AM, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 10:59 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>> On 10/12/2011 09:59 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011, Henrik Nordström wrote:
>>>
ons 2011-10-12 klockan 13:04 -0500 skrev Mike McGrath:
> Lots of people use and shar
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:02:36 -0700
Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:11:39PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
> >
> > > As far as I know if you burn the key you will lose the ability to
> > > use the yubikey's servers and I'm guessin
On 10/13/2011 09:45 AM, Callum Lerwick wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Przemek Klosowski
> wrote:
>> Length beats out larger character set, which is nicely illustrated by
>> the XKCD cartoon
>>
>> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/password_strength.png
>
> Be careful, that xkcd strip glosses
I don't think it is actually used somewhere, but I wrote an article about
using Yubikeys with Fedora a long time ago when the Infra team was busy
implementing Yubikey support. Iirc I wrote about using the second slot
somewhere in there. It might help you:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Using_Yubike
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Date: Thu Oct 13 13:03:31 2011 +0200
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On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 14:37 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
> On 10/12/2011 01:41 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > On 12 October 2011 17:44, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >> * Nine or more characters with lower and upper case letters, digits and
> >> punctuation marks.
> >> * Ten or more characters with low
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> udev replaced HAL, along with some additional helpers. udev has a
> database too, much like HAL. You can use libudev or libgudev (if you
> use glib) to talk to udev and get information.
Ok, I found python-gudev which lets me talk to udev!
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Tomas Mraz wrote:
>>
>>> And if this malicious DNS administrator controls the caching
>>> nameserver you're using for DNS queries, he can present you ANY data
>>> even 'valid' fake DNSSEC data.
>>
>> This is not generally true. Resolver libraries can (and should, IMHO)
>> veri
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commit 4517902b13990719a55a56fc5b9c5deadaba3034
Author: Ralf Corsépius
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> Nope, you do not understand what the dependency is. Of course you depend
> on the DNS to not be compromised to get the IP address of the host but
> you still can verify the fingerprint on the first connection if you got
> it by other means.
That scales as
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> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> > udev replaced HAL, along with some additional helpers. udev has a
> > database too, much like HAL. You can use libudev or libgudev (if you
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On 10/12/2011 06:37 PM, Aaron Gray wrote:
> sudo /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -L -v -v -v -s /var/lib/tftpboot
>
>
> Wow, TFTP works like this !
>
> Thanks for that, now why does it not work under xinetd ?
I have no idea. xinetd should be spawning off the equivalent of:
/usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/li
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On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Stanislav Ochotnicky
wrote:
> Excerpts from Richard Shaw's message of Thu Oct 13 16:13:00 +0200 2011:
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
>> > udev replaced HAL, along with some additional helpers. udev has a
>> > database too, much like HAL.
On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 09:12 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:48:57PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Sure. However, if you have multiple keys with multiple passphrases, then
> > it's extra work to compromise each key.
>
> Not true at all. If I keep my key(s) in a si
On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 10:43 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > Sure, ssh keys are much harder to compromise than passwords, but
> > _assuming a compromise has happened_ the consequences of using a single
> > key for everything are just as bad as using a single password for
> > everything.
>
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On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 08:35 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> http://news.opensuse.org/2011/10/11/opensuse-announces-first-public-release-of-
> openqa/
saw it!
in fact, we've talked to one of the lead developers before.
it's got some cool design features, a reasonably nice results interface,
and it's
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 09:14:46AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 02:59:31PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > 2) We've found PRIVATE keys on our servers
>
> By all means educate these users with a large clue-stick.
>
The problem is this:
Fedora contributors are a group
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:45:35AM +0200, Thomas Spura wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:02:36 -0700
> Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:11:39PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote:
> > > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
> > >
> > > > As far as I know if you burn the key
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:46:01 -0400 (EDT), Paul Wouters
> said:
PW> Also, trusted the AD bit without trusting the last mile violates the
PW> RFC 3655 Section 3
[snip]
PW> If the ssh client grabs non-localhost resolver entries and trusts the AD
PW> bit, then that is a bug and should
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On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 21:19 +0300, Jussi Lehtola wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> just to let you know - I'm taking a two-week holiday starting
> tomorrow, during which time I probably won't have internet access. So,
> don't wonder why I'm not, e.g., attending anything in bugzilla.
Thank you for sending this
Enjoy your two-week vacation :)
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:23 PM, seth vidal wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 21:19 +0300, Jussi Lehtola wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > just to let you know - I'm taking a two-week holiday starting
> > tomorrow, during which time I probably won't have internet access. So,
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:39:03 -0700
Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>...
> So what are our admins to do? 1) We could ignore the issue. We have
> a lot of contributors. Maybe we should just expect that some of
> their accounts are going to be compromised.
Not maybe. Certainly some of the accounts will
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:40:59 +0300
Nicu Buculei wrote:
> On 10/12/2011 07:44 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >
> > Q&A:
> >
> >
> > Q: I never uploaded a ssh key to the Fedora Account System, nor am I
> > in a group that needs one, do I still have to upload a new one?
> >
> > A: No. If you don't have a
I think requiring a minium sized password that is pretty long, like maybe
15-20 or larger. The chance of somebody cracking those sized passwords would
be smaller. Also I know there was a previous issue about the Yubikey as part
of security. In my opinion requiring a 15-20 long password added with a
Ok, looks like gudev is a dead end too.
Problems:
1. No property which give media type. Instead it looks like there are
boolean value given instead, i.e.:
ID_CDROM_MEDIA_DVD_PLUS_R: 1
So I assume if I was using a DVD-R it would be:
ID_CDROM_MEDIA_DVD_MINUS_R: 1
THIS IS CRAZY
This means I wou
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:09:51 -0600
Tim Flink wrote:
> Are there any objections to moving forward with this? There seems to
> be no objections from the kernel maintainers who have been
> participating in the discussion on test@ but we wanted a bit more
> devel input before moving forward.
Since t
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Tom Callaway wrote:
> Actually, I revived perl-Text-Aspell, but I haven't built it yet:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=742759
I see. This isn't exactly an emergency, given how long acheck has
been broken, with 0 bug reports. The right thing to do
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:27:07 +0200
Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 22:12 +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 13:24 +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> > >
> > > I just sent an email directly to his archlinux.us email address
> > > asking if he wishes to re
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Callum Lerwick wrote:
> Personally I've been generating passwords with "pwgen -s 12 1", or for
> really important stuff (like online banking), "pwgen -s 12 1".
Erk, that should be "pwgen -s -y 12" for the important stuff.
Cut-and-paste fail. :(
A fully random 12
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Richard Hughes wrote:
> On 12 October 2011 17:44, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> All existing users of the Fedora Account System (FAS) at
>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts are required to change their
>> password and upload a NEW ssh public key before 2011-11-30.
>
> I have to upload a *new* pub
Bojan Smojver wrote:
> Even more interestingly, dmesg and Xorg.0.log contain all the right
> things and yet, mutter won't start. I guess being in Intel graphics camp
> for some time now made me unfamiliar with radeon driver.
It might be blacklisted in mutter/gnome-shell because of known driver
is
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 10:43 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>> One ssh key per machine makes alot more sense. For outgoing ssh
>> connections from -- say -- shell.fedoraproject.org I wouldn't just copy
>> my private key from my laptop but gen
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:55:59PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 10:43 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> >> One ssh key per machine makes alot more sense. For outgoing ssh
> >> connections from -- say -- shell.fedorap
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:55:59PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Adam Williamson
>> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 10:43 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>> >> One ssh key per machine makes alot more sen
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:55:59PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote:
> Its the only right way to do it. As a general rule, a private ssh key
> should NEVER be transferred off the machine it was generated on.
Yeah, who needs backups of private keys anyways!
> you have the same private key on more than
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Paul Wouters wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:55:59PM -0500, Callum Lerwick wrote:
>
>> Its the only right way to do it. As a general rule, a private ssh key
>> should NEVER be transferred off the machine it was generated on.
>
> Yeah, who needs backups of priv
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Callum Lerwick wrote:
>> Yeah, who needs backups of private keys anyways!
>
> We're talking about SSH keys here. There's no web of trust to lose.
> Lose your keys? Generate new ones.
And contact my customers and what not to change it? Go past all the
servers i have access to
On 10/13/2011 10:26 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:27:07 +0200
> Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 22:12 +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 13:24 +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
I just sent an email directly to his archlinux.us
Ok, sorry. Just took over full-ownership for elementary-icon-theme.
Thought I had it already, sorry... ;-)
On 10/13/2011 10:26 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:27:07 +0200
> Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 22:12 +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>>> On Thu, 201
Hi
On a fresh install of F16, I have added "wheel" as a secondary group for a
user using "# usermod -a -G wheel masood".
I have verified that "/etc/group" has the correct entry and
"system-config-users" shows that user "masood" belongs to "wheel" group.
However, "$ groups" only lists user's prima
I did an update which I thought was going to do everything but grub but this
happened:
# yum update --exclude=grub
Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
Setting up Update Process
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package grub.x86_64 1:0.97-79.fc16 will be ob
Am 13.10.2011 22:26, schrieb Kevin Fenzi:
> I have orphaned all their packages. Please feel free to take the ones
> you wish.
>
> faenza-icon-theme
I've taken this.
Felix
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