On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 08:27 +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:00:30 -0700
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
I realize this isn't a very constructive mail, and the point has been
raised before, but I'm hoping at some point the sheer weight of
complaints will cause
Daniel J Walsh wrote:
On 01/31/2012 12:07 PM, Jerry James wrote:
After installing today's Rawhide updates on an x86_64 VM, I
started having troubles running programs. Nothing linked with
libselinux.so.1 could actually open that library; the programs were
getting EACCESS on the attempt. I
On jue, 2012-02-02 at 05:26 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Matthew Garrett wrote:
Because it is the job of people who are proposing a spec to answer the
objections of the people who perform critical analysis of the spec
They did answer. You just didn't like their answer.
Their answer was
On mié, 2012-02-01 at 17:00 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
Yay cross-desktop maybe, but still a freaking disaster from a UI point
of view, and the only thing I really dislike about GNOME 3
I don't think it's that bad, but that might just be me having different
use patterns (for instance a
On jue, 2012-02-02 at 01:28 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Florian Müllner wrote:
No, but it would require that circle is drawn as circle and not a
square (or just discarded without notice). The NotifyIcon spec
explicitly allows either absurdity.
If your icon theme thinks a square is a good
On jue, 2012-02-02 at 00:44 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
So the argument that you're refusing to implement a cross-desktop
protocol in order to ban random applications from adding themselves to
the panel is bogus.
Nobody said that.
Florian Müllner did:
Not really. We didn't implement
On jue, 2012-02-02 at 01:16 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Then your implementation in gnome-shell would just be half-assed and crappy,
just like your implementation of the XEmbed-based spec is. Unlike the
XEmbed-based spec, the status notifier spec actually allows apps to specify
whether their
Hello,
I've taken these:
pfscalibration
pfstmo
pfstools
I do use them occasionally but I know nothing about their internals. I just
don't want those packages to be purged out of Fedora. I will happily pass
them to somebody else or welcome any co-maintainers.
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On 27/01/12 13:10, Harald Hoyer wrote:
Hello Testers and rawhide Users,
Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The directories
/bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will only be symlinks:
/bin → /usr/bin
/sbin → /usr/sbin
/lib → /usr/lib
/lib64 → /usr/lib64
if before the
On 02/01/2012 01:04 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Matthias Clasen wrote:
After the fruitless discussion on xdg-list, we decided that the spec was
not going to help us in implementing the desired user experience.
That's not up to you to decide.
Frank Murphy wrote:
On 27/01/12 13:10, Harald Hoyer wrote:
Hello Testers and rawhide Users,
Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The
directories /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will only be symlinks:
/bin → /usr/bin
/sbin → /usr/sbin
/lib → /usr/lib
/lib64 →
On 02/02/12 12:42, Rex Dieter wrote:
Would the /usrmove script
replace the hardlink with the softlink?
no.
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Thanks Rex,
Unfortunatly I'm not a scripter.
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Let it go kevin ...
I know there are a bunch of gnome happy users (and of course the devs),
but there are probably less now than earlier ...
A limited sample but everyone I know - all of whom were gnome users - no
longer use gnome - they have all switched to either kde or xfce (each
with its own
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 05:26:15AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Matthew Garrett wrote:
Because it is the job of people who are proposing a spec to answer the
objections of the people who perform critical analysis of the spec
They did answer. You just didn't like their answer.
The answer
On 02/01/2012 10:57 PM, Tom Callaway wrote:
On 02/01/2012 12:24 PM, Jerry James wrote:
Yes, the buildroots are both fine now. Thanks for fixing them. I was
just responding to spot's apparent surprise that an updated libvpx in
the buildroot should have broken package building for other
# F17 Alpha Blocker Review meeting #2
# Date: 2012-02-03
# Time: 17:00 UTC [1] (12:00 EST, 09:00 PST)
# Location: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net
The second F17 alpha blocker bug review meeting will be this Friday at
17:00 UTC in #fedora-bugzappers. We'll be running through the final
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 14:10, Harald Hoyer har...@redhat.com wrote:
Hello Testers and rawhide Users,
Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The
directories
/bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will only be symlinks:
/bin → /usr/bin
/sbin → /usr/sbin
/lib → /usr/lib
Dan Winship wrote:
http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/12/free-dektop-notifications.html
That's not a fair comparison:
* The KDE Plasma Workspace actually *implements* the Galago (notification)
spec now (and has done so for a while), as does Unity. KDE actually *cares*
about interoperability with
Florian Müllner wrote:
I actually agree to that - if we used the notifier spec in the top bar,
we would either compromise on the intended experience, or provide a
crappy implementation. Or in other words: the spec is a poor fit for
what we try to achieve, so it makes sense to not use it.
How
On 2 February 2012 12:12, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Stijn Hoop wrote:
Is there a bug we can vote on? I also agree 100% with this, I rather
like gnome-shell except for this 'notification system'.
You seriously still think that GNOME will listen to its users??? You gotta
be
On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 20:12 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Stijn Hoop wrote:
Is there a bug we can vote on? I also agree 100% with this, I rather
like gnome-shell except for this 'notification system'.
You seriously still think that GNOME will listen to its users??? You gotta
be kidding!
Florian Müllner wrote:
I was talking about a supposed property called circle, not a property
themedIcon with a value of circle. The spec actually contains
language like this (quoting from memory, as the link to the draft on
freedesktop.org is dead):
Tooltip: a descriptive string which the
Matthew Garrett wrote:
The answer still resulted in a spec that permitted compliant
implementations to have no practical interoperability.
You keep repeating that, yet I still don't see ANYTHING backing that
assertion. Interoperability depends only on the protocol (which is clearly
On jue, 2012-02-02 at 20:11 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Florian Müllner wrote:
I actually agree to that - if we used the notifier spec in the top bar,
we would either compromise on the intended experience, or provide a
crappy implementation. Or in other words: the spec is a poor fit for
On jue, 2012-02-02 at 20:17 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
And the thing is, renaming Tooltip to Description will break all the
existing implementations and provide no benefit whatsoever to the end user.
It's just an internal identifier the user will never see. For all I care it
could be called
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Matthew Garrett wrote:
The answer still resulted in a spec that permitted compliant
implementations to have no practical interoperability.
You keep repeating that, yet I still don't see ANYTHING backing that
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 08:19:44PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Matthew Garrett wrote:
The answer still resulted in a spec that permitted compliant
implementations to have no practical interoperability.
You keep repeating that, yet I still don't see ANYTHING backing that
assertion.
On 02/03/2012 12:42 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Stijn Hoop wrote:
Is there a bug we can vote on? I also agree 100% with this, I rather
like gnome-shell except for this 'notification system'.
You seriously still think that GNOME will listen to its users??? You gotta
be kidding!
You are not
Florian Müllner wrote:
It is not implemented with XEmbed.
If the user runs non-GNOME software which tries to bring up a system tray
icon, it is. The icon will not only be hidden in your legacy compatibility
grace popup, but also be rendered using XEmbed. As I explained, both kdelibs
and
Matthew Garrett wrote:
Samba is a project written specifically to interoperate with Windows,
because the developers involved felt that interoperability was more
important than the flaws in the SMB spec (to the extent that any such
thing existed).
My point is that interoperability between the
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 10:04:03PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Matthew Garrett wrote:
Samba is a project written specifically to interoperate with Windows,
because the developers involved felt that interoperability was more
important than the flaws in the SMB spec (to the extent that any
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Florian Müllner wrote:
It is not implemented with XEmbed.
If the user runs non-GNOME software which tries to bring up a system tray
icon, it is.
The discussion was about GNOME shell's top bar. No application
Matthew Garrett wrote:
And the people working on Gnome feel that adopting a bad specification
would cost more than enhancing this interoperability would provide.
And that's exactly my complaint: GNOME doesn't give a darn about
compatibility with other desktops and isn't willing to make ANY
Florian Müllner wrote:
The discussion was about GNOME shell's top bar. No application (GNOME,
KDE, Unity or whatever) can add anything there (using XEmbed,
NotifierIcon, libnotify or whatever).
That's exactly the source of the complaint: Only stuff hardcoded inside
gnome-shell (or written as
Florian Müllner wrote:
[0] http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2005/04/stupidity-of-dconf.html
KDE might actually adopt dconf for KDE Frameworks 5, though this seems to be
still under discussion:
http://community.kde.org/KDE_Core/Platform_11/Settings
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There's various issues with the hfsplus utilities we ship at the moment,
including the fact that fsck.hfsplus crashes on 64-bit. I'd like to
update this to the latest upstream, but code to generate legacy HFS (ie,
pre-HFS+) filesystems has been dropped.
HFS+ was introduced in MacOS 8.1 in
On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 00:15 +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
There's various issues with the hfsplus utilities we ship at the moment,
including the fact that fsck.hfsplus crashes on 64-bit. I'd like to
update this to the latest upstream, but code to generate legacy HFS (ie,
pre-HFS+)
Does anyone object [to dropping support for HFS]?
Plain HFS has no journal, so there are workloads where HFS is faster
than HFS+ which has a journal. Is it economical to cater to such cases?
Probably not. However, I do have a PowerPC Mac Mini that runs plain HFS
and Fedora 10 with ext3.
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John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com escribió:
Does anyone object [to dropping support for HFS]?
Plain HFS has no journal, so there are workloads where HFS is faster
than HFS+ which has a journal. Is it economical to cater to such
cases? Probably not.
Hi All,
Just a reminder that we'll be holding a Fedora kernel meeting in
#fedora-meeting tomorrow at 18:00 UTC. We'll be chatting about
the current state of the Fedora kernel, where we're heading in F17
and what we're going to be looking at otherwise. Feel free to stop
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On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 06:25:50PM -0600, David Lehman wrote:
My understanding is that the so-called Apple Bootstrap filesystem
required for ppc Macs to boot is HFS. That's what anaconda uses for it.
If we could be using HFS+ instead, fine.
Is that created with hfsplus-utils or with parted?
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 05:45:38PM -0800, John Reiser wrote:
Does anyone object [to dropping support for HFS]?
Plain HFS has no journal, so there are workloads where HFS is faster
than HFS+ which has a journal. Is it economical to cater to such cases?
Probably not. However, I do have a
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 06:25:50PM -0600, David Lehman wrote:
My understanding is that the so-called Apple Bootstrap filesystem
required for ppc Macs to boot is HFS. That's what anaconda uses for it.
If we could be
On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 02:43 +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 06:25:50PM -0600, David Lehman wrote:
My understanding is that the so-called Apple Bootstrap filesystem
required for ppc Macs to boot is HFS. That's what anaconda uses for it.
If we could be using HFS+
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8f1c65f... initial import (rhbz#784167) (*)
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commit c7ee3614139787731a70957de8130388ebaf59e0
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Feb 3 06:42:27 2012 +0100
renamed to perl-MooseX-Attribute-Chained
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dead.package |1 +
perl-MooseX-ChainedAccessors.spec |
Package perl-MooseX-ChainedAccessors in Fedora devel has been retired by iarnell
To make changes to this package see:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/perl-MooseX-ChainedAccessors
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A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch:
acefd2acdf4cd66433f2c52320eb8924 DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch-0.09.tar.gz
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A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Devel-Declare:
4914f467b86c62109d1bebc6c04a90fe Devel-Declare-0.006009.tar.gz
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commit 1b8bf4782329387d291534811fc25c65220bc444
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Feb 3 07:26:11 2012 +0100
update to 0.09
.gitignore |1 +
perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch.spec |7 +--
sources |2 +-
3 files
commit b8f70691bb4bb7e3115aa33d7d687c2336b73c21
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Feb 3 07:29:42 2012 +0100
update to 0.006009
.gitignore |1 +
perl-Devel-Declare.spec | 11 +++
sources |2 +-
3 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 5
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-MooseX-Has-Sugar:
566bc8ac848296243d5f09a41c1844d0 MooseX-Has-Sugar-0.05070420.tar.gz
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commit d309ab025b261acc039e7e4c16b14908802f26e5
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Feb 3 07:34:57 2012 +0100
update to 0.110003
.gitignore |1 +
perl-Email-Sender.spec |7 +--
sources|2 +-
3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3
commit 156f44bc202aa44ac6807c699a25368f024cfa01
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Feb 3 07:37:39 2012 +0100
update to 0.05070420
.gitignore |1 +
perl-MooseX-Has-Sugar.spec |8 +---
sources|2 +-
3 files changed, 7
commit 32c32bf0eb57427a3f65ba620c64a929c19da57f
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Feb 3 07:45:00 2012 +0100
update to 0.07015
.gitignore |1 +
perl-DBIx-Class-Schema-Loader.spec | 28 +++-
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