Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/02/2012 11:32 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: You are responsible as a package maintainer for bugs against the package. If you don't want to deal with it, give up the package or find a co-maintainer who will deal with such issues. When you

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/03/2012 12:12 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: At the same time I don't want to be obliged to support something I don't want to. There are many more important things to deal with in the distribution than a stupid secure boot feature. Let's narrow it down. Can you give a clear and specific

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/03/2012 07:05 AM, Steve Clark wrote: But don't you think that if they are determined enough to go to bugzilla and make an entry they are smart enough to turn off secure boot? I guess my feeling is that people that have the where withall to attempt to load another OS on their Windows

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/03/2012 12:12 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: At the same time I don't want to be obliged to support something I don't want to. There are many more important things to deal with in the distribution than a stupid secure boot feature. Let's

Fwd: Review swap requests for Lars Wirzenius' new Obnam backup tool

2012-06-03 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Accidentally sent the earlier message to the old Red Hat-hosted devel list. - Original Message Subject: Review swap requests for Lars Wirzenius' new Obnam backup tool Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:45:12 +0700 From: Michel Alexandre

Re: Review swap requests for Lars Wirzenius' new Obnam backup tool

2012-06-03 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/03/2012 01:45 PM, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: Hi all, I've just packaged Obnam, Lars Wirzenius' new B-tree-based backup tool (think btrfs for backup), whose 1.0 release was recently announced on Linux Weekly News on Friday, June 1st:

Two more Python packages for review swaps: python-qrcode and gnuhealth

2012-06-03 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Two more Python packages, if anyone is interested in swapping: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=827722 - for python-qrcode, a dependency for GNU Health https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=827723 - GNU Health Feel free to

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-03 Thread Alexander Boström
fre 2012-06-01 klockan 09:48 -0700 skrev Adam Williamson: Frankly, I'd prefer it if we more strongly recommended that people do DVD/netinst upgrades. That path is less complex than preupgrade and involves fewer moving parts; it's easier to test and easier to fix and more likely, in general,

Re: redeclipse: packaging symlinks and directory ownership

2012-06-03 Thread Martin Erik Werner
On Mon, 2012-05-28 at 16:00 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:25:43PM +0200, Martin Erik Werner wrote: On Mon, 2012-05-28 at 19:31 +0200, Martin Erik Werner wrote: Hello, I have a couple of packaging questions for a new package, the FPS game redeclipse[0], which

Re: Two more Python packages for review swaps: python-qrcode and gnuhealth

2012-06-03 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 14:47 +0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=827722 - for python-qrcode, a dependency for GNU Health Don't forget to check the bugzilla before submitting a package: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=824628 Pure python

Re: Two more Python packages for review swaps: python-qrcode and gnuhealth

2012-06-03 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 11:48 +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: Plus, there are comments on your spec file which you apparently did not read. I should have said, that you forgot. Pierre -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote: We have to make our software better then the competition being free by itself is not enough to gain market traction. Having a complicated installation procedure sure does not help this case. Our goal is freedom, not market share! Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rahul Sundaram wrote: Just because people have the ability to install Fedora and post in a forum doesn't mean that you can reliably assume that they are willing to fiddle with BIOS settings on their system or they would prefer that over a installation that just works. We have worked for years

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Gregory Maxwell wrote: Create a pre-bootloder. If secureboot is enabled only permitting this boot because it's signed with the msft key, then display the most helpful instructions WRT secureboot we can display and then halt. If secureboot is not enabled, pass control to grub. This

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Orcan Ogetbil wrote: As long as the secure boot is detectable in runtime, the maintainer (I) will have the choice to support or not support users using or not using this feature. This is the freedom I was afraid to lose. But I learned that this is not the case. Uh, it IS the case. Arbitrarily

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: drago01 wrote: We have to make our software better then the competition being free by itself is not enough to gain market traction.  Having a complicated installation procedure sure does not help this case. Our goal

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Gregory Maxwell wrote: The goal you've set—Fedora working out of the box on this hardware without user fuss—can't be accomplished via technical means, except by restricting the bootloader and kernel. There is no law of nature which says that this must be your goal, however. There's at least

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-03 Thread Andrea Musuruane
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Andrea Musuruane musur...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: Basically the same kind of failure as the last several times I did updates. This time f16-f17.  Used preupgrade. I'd like to share with you my

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-03 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 01:21:55PM +0200, Andrea Musuruane wrote: On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Andrea Musuruane musur...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: Basically the same kind of failure as the last several times I did updates.

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Denis Arnaud
The discussion has been very interesting, and it is probably being followed by a lot of non-Fedora developers as well. [To be honest, I first bought the pro-find-a-simple-enough-work-around-to-SecureBoot-issue arguments. But, reading through the arguments from KK, Adam and some others, I must

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Orcan Ogetbil wrote: I am more concerned about the package maintenance level. At the package maintenance level, it does not make sense to patch against the upstream decision. It does. If upstream arbitrarily refuses to support a use case we

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Peter Jones
On 06/02/2012 12:31 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: What happens if you try and boot an unsigned image? I assume the error you get is up to the BIOS folks? So, it could be misleading, confusing, depressing or all three. It may be that people will see just Failed to secure boot and think there's

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Peter Jones
On 06/02/2012 05:47 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: There is no additional security provided by the feature as so far described—only security theater. So I can't modify the kernel or bootloader, great—but the kernel wouldn't have let me do that in the first place unless it had an exploit. So I just

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-03 Thread Peter Jones
On 06/02/2012 03:28 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Matthew Garrettmj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: Per spec the machine simply falls back to attempting to execute the next entry in the boot list. An implementation may provide some feedback that that's the case, but

Re: Two more Python packages for review swaps: python-qrcode and gnuhealth

2012-06-03 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/03/2012 04:48 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 14:47 +0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=827722 - for python-qrcode, a dependency for GNU Health Don't forget to check the

Re: Two more Python packages for review swaps: python-qrcode and gnuhealth

2012-06-03 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 21:37 +0700, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: Exchanged against: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=821267 Review Request: R-BiocGenerics - Generic functions for Bioconductor Assigning to myself; will do that tomorrow. Thanks! Thank you :) Pierre -- devel

rawhide report: 20120603 changes

2012-06-03 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Jun 3 08:15:04 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [389-admin] 389-admin-1.1.28-1.fc18.i686 requires libicuuc.so.48 389-admin-1.1.28-1.fc18.i686 requires libicui18n.so.48

Looking for sponsor

2012-06-03 Thread Aurimas Černius
Hi, I'm looking for sponsor for the following proposed packages: Lithuanian dictionaries for StarDict https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=781766 Double-array trie implementation library https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=733925 Thanks. -- Aurimas signature.asc Description:

3.5.0 kernel problem

2012-06-03 Thread David
First - If this is the wrong place for this please tell me where. Rawhide (Fedora 18) I have never been able to install and configure any of the 3.5.0 kernels. They install but fail to create a initramfs file. Hence they will not boot. I have seen two different 'failed' messages. One from today

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-03 Thread Björn Persson
Adam Williamson wrote: Frankly, I'd prefer it if we more strongly recommended that people do DVD/netinst upgrades. I refuse to buy writable DVDs or CDs, because if I did I would be giving money to the copyright lobby, helping to finance its campaign for ever-increasing mass surveillance and

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-03 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 07:56:48PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Frankly, I'd prefer it if we more strongly recommended that people do DVD/netinst upgrades. I refuse to buy writable DVDs or CDs, because if I did I would be giving money to the copyright lobby,

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-03 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/3/2012 1:56 PM, Björn Persson wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Frankly, I'd prefer it if we more strongly recommended that people do DVD/netinst upgrades. I refuse to buy writable DVDs or CDs, because if I did I would be giving money to the

3.5.0 kernel problem

2012-06-03 Thread Andre Robatino
David dgboles at gmail.com writes: In all cases I did not get an initramfs. In all cases these kernels will not boot. I have kernel-3.4.0-1.fc18.x86_64 kernel-3.5.0-0.rc0.git11.1.fc18.x86_64 kernel-3.5.0-0.rc0.git12.1.fc18.x86_64 installed, I have an initramfs for all of them, and testing

Re: Update ImageMagick in Fedora 16

2012-06-03 Thread Tadej Janež
Pavel, On Tue, 2012-05-29 at 20:21 +0400, Pavel Alexeev wrote: It is main reason why I request provenpackager rights. In fedora 17 it was so painful because I several times asks build dependencies and then ask help to push updates too. I think in that turn now I can do all that myself, so it

Re: 3.5.0 kernel problem

2012-06-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 1:02 PM, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: First - If this is the wrong place for this please tell me where. Rawhide (Fedora 18) I have never been able to install and configure any of the 3.5.0 kernels. They install but fail to create a initramfs file. Hence they will

Re: 3.5.0 kernel problem

2012-06-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Andre Robatino robat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: David dgboles at gmail.com writes: In all cases I did not get an initramfs. In all cases these kernels will not boot. I have kernel-3.4.0-1.fc18.x86_64 kernel-3.5.0-0.rc0.git11.1.fc18.x86_64

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-03 Thread Björn Persson
Tomasz Torcz wrote: You can write .iso image to USB key¹ and boot from it, you know. Even the installation DVD images? What I've heard is that that only works with the live CD images. (The copyright lobby taxes even USB keys in Sweden now, but I have some that I bought before they started

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-03 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se wrote: Tomasz Torcz wrote: You can write .iso image to USB key¹ and boot from it, you know. Even the installation DVD images? What I've heard is that that only works with the live CD images. Indeed, even the DVD images.

Re: 3.5.0 kernel problem

2012-06-03 Thread David
On 6/3/2012 4:26 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 1:02 PM, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: First - If this is the wrong place for this please tell me where. Rawhide (Fedora 18) I have never been able to install and configure any of the 3.5.0 kernels. They install but fail to

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-03 Thread Björn Persson
Josh Boyer wrote: On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se wrote: Tomasz Torcz wrote: You can write .iso image to USB key¹ and boot from it, you know. Even the installation DVD images? What I've heard is that that only works with the live CD images.

3.5.0 kernel problem

2012-06-03 Thread Andre Robatino
Josh Boyer jwboyer at gmail.com writes: That sounds like a deltarpm problem. The kernel-devel package has that file in it, and it's a normal file not a symlink or something. If you download the full RPM and install it via RPM (not yum, or disable the deltarpm plugin) does it exist?

Re: 3.5.0 kernel problem

2012-06-03 Thread Frank Murphy
On 03/06/12 21:26, Josh Boyer wrote: In all cases I did not get an initramfs. In all cases these kernels will not boot. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=826689 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=824981 I've had this a while, as discussed on test list. I blame dracut,

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-03 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qui, 2012-05-31 at 14:58 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 22:21 +0200, Caterpillar wrote: I would like to share my experience about upgrading from Fedora 16 to 17 a quiet number of machines. 100% percenteage computer base have putted my hands on, had problems

Problem pairing mouse with F17

2012-06-03 Thread Digimer
Hi all, I've installed F17 x86_64 on my Thinkpad T400s and have not been able to pair my razer orochi bluetooth mouse. When I put my F16 x86_64 HDD back in and boot, the mouse works fine over bluetooth. When I put the mouse into pairing mode, the bluetooth applet sees the mouse.

Re: Problem pairing mouse with F17

2012-06-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/04/2012 02:30 AM, Digimer wrote: I can confirm that selinux is disabled (as sestatus shows 'disabled'). Any idea what I should next? File a bug report against Gnome-Bluetooth you can try running this hciconfig hci0 sspmode 0 from the command line as root which was the only way I

Re: MATE 1.2

2012-06-03 Thread Eric Smith
Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus wrote: On Sat, 2012-06-02 at 10:21 -0400, Randall Berry wrote: Does anyone plan to package MATE 1.2[1] for Fedora? MATE is a promising A Gnome 2.3 fork. If so I would like to be a co-maintainer. Or if nobody is planning on it I'll gladly start the project with a

Regarding fedora 17 grub problem

2012-06-03 Thread chandan kumar
Hello, I am trying to install to install fedora 17 from 3 days.But failed due to some warning. I have downloaded the fedora 17 32 bit image from torrent. I burned its image file and start installing fedora 17. already Window 7 is installed in in my laptop /dev/sda1. So, i am installing fedora 17

Re: another upgrade, another disaster

2012-06-03 Thread Jan Synacek
On 06/03/12 at 01:34pm, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 01:21:55PM +0200, Andrea Musuruane wrote: On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Andrea Musuruane musur...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: Basically the same kind of

Broken dependencies: perl-Net-OpenSSH

2012-06-03 Thread buildsys
perl-Net-OpenSSH has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-Net-OpenSSH-0.57-3.fc18.noarch requires openssh-clients(%{__isa_name}-%{__isa_bits}) On i386: perl-Net-OpenSSH-0.57-3.fc18.noarch requires openssh-clients(%{__isa_name}-%{__isa_bits}) Please resolve

File MooseX-Daemonize-0.15.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2012-06-03 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-MooseX-Daemonize: 49311a9d08079308f37aa2bcbb43f9dc MooseX-Daemonize-0.15.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-MooseX-Daemonize] update to 0.15

2012-06-03 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 7bf053a01ffb2e241b0f252b4f5e6e6bd5aa5933 Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Sun Jun 3 12:06:31 2012 -0600 update to 0.15 .gitignore |1 + perl-MooseX-Daemonize.spec | 10 ++ sources|2 +- 3 files changed, 8

[perl-MooseX-Daemonize/f17] update to 0.15

2012-06-03 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes: 7bf053a... update to 0.15 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-MooseX-Daemonize/f16] (3 commits) ...update to 0.15

2012-06-03 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes: 7f99c1b... update to 0.13 (*) 72fc0f6... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Mass (*) 7bf053a... update to 0.15 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG

[Bug 827944] New: abi-compliance-checker-1.97.7 is available

2012-06-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=827944 Bug ID: 827944 Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org Severity: unspecified Version: rawhide Priority: unspecified CC: