Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Beta Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

On Thu, 2013-05-16 at 00:33 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > NOTE: 32-bit DVD, and 64-bit Live Desktop and LXDE, are over their size > targets and will not fit on their target media (single layer DVD, 1 GB > USB, and 700 MiB CD, resp.). Another note: there seems to be a very weird bug showing up wit

sear and sear-media being retired

I am going to retire sear and sear-media as sear isn't being actively maintained upstream and ember is the primary worldforge client. Because of the beta freeze, I won't be doing the actual retirement for about a week (hopefully). I have already done ember and ember-media builds that obsolete

[Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Beta Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

NOTE: 32-bit DVD, and 64-bit Live Desktop and LXDE, are over their size targets and will not fit on their target media (single layer DVD, 1 GB USB, and 700 MiB CD, resp.). As per the Fedora 19 schedule [1], Fedora 19 Beta Release Candidate 1 (RC1) is now available for testing. Content information,

Re: hdf5 update to 1.8.11 in rawhide

On 05/15/2013 08:53 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: I already have an update for OpenImageIO ready... How about I go ahead and commit it but let you kick off the build? Thanks, Richard Will do. -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA/CoRA Division

Re: hdf5 update to 1.8.11 in rawhide

I already have an update for OpenImageIO ready... How about I go ahead and commit it but let you kick off the build? Thanks, Richard -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: orphaning cal3d, freeimage, libosip2, linphone, opencv, osgal

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:47:32 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, On 05/11/2013 11:04 PM, François Cami wrote: Hello, I'm orphaning some packages: cal3d -- Skeletal based 3-D character animation library This is needed by sear, which is a WorldForge 3d client, which seems to be obsoleted b

Re: orphaning cal3d, freeimage, libosip2, linphone, opencv, osgal

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 15:45:54 +0200, Mario Ceresa wrote: Bruno, if you take freeimage, I'll help you co-maintaining it I have claimed freeimage. If you apply for update and/or acl access I'll approve them. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.o

RE: Koji doensn't resolve package dependency

Hello: > Hallo, > > I have got an odd issue with koji on building gnustep-base-1.24.4-7.fc19. > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=419373 > > Koji told me, that the requirement gnustep-make >= 2.6.4-13 > could not been resolved. > > An research on bodhi told me, that gnustep-m

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 15.05.13 09:08, Chris Adams (li...@cmadams.net) wrote: > >> Once upon a time, Dan Mashal said: >> > Sanity: Switching to postfix? >> >> That's a long-time sore point, but the general idea is that "sanity" is >> not switching de

Re: Question about "what to do if mantainer is absent"

On Wed, 15 May 2013 15:06:14 -0600 Ken Dreyer wrote: > You can always drop the co-maintainership after you've got the ACLs > and done your work :) > > Speaking for myself, if I see someone's contributed a good patch in > Bugzilla, I'd much sooner add them as a co-maintainer (even if it's > just

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On 05/15/2013 03:26 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Orion Poplawski (or...@cora.nwra.com) said: On 05/15/2013 05:36 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 14.05.13 20:43, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: 479ms iprupdate.service 385ms iprinit.service These appear

Re: "Provides: icon-theme" for *-icon-theme packages

On 05/15/2013 01:07 PM, Eugene Pivnev wrote: 13.05.2013 19:30, Eugene Pivnev пишет: Subj. For packages that requies _any_ icon theme (something like oxygen provides system-kde-icon-theme). Prehistory: as we started RazorQt rpms - some people was crying "I have no any icon in main menu!". So we

Re: when startup delays become bugs

Orion Poplawski (or...@cora.nwra.com) said: > On 05/15/2013 05:36 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >On Tue, 14.05.13 20:43, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: > >>479ms iprupdate.service > >>385ms iprinit.service > > > >These appear to be untis that are only necess

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On 05/15/2013 03:17 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 05/15/2013 05:36 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 14.05.13 20:43, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: 479ms iprupdate.service 385ms iprinit.service These appear to be untis that are only necessary for IBM

Fedora ARM Weekly Status Meeting Minutes 2013-05-15

Thanks to those that were able to join for the status meeting today, for those unable the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-05-15/fedora-meeting-1.2013-05-15-20.18.html Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/201

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On 05/15/2013 05:36 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 14.05.13 20:43, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: 479ms iprupdate.service 385ms iprinit.service These appear to be untis that are only necessary for IBM RAID. It's hugely disappointing if this is pulle

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On 05/15/2013 04:39 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: I was planning to upgrade to F19 soon, and I kind-of care about the data on that system (I have backup, but corruption would not be welcome, just for the lost time reason). Do people recommend sticking with it? holding off the upgrade? switching

Re: Question about "what to do if mantainer is absent"

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: >> You can even now also mention in your bug that you are a packager and >> would be willing to co-maintain. Not everyone would be interested, but >> I suspect a lot of maintainers would be happy for the help and would >> add you to make yo

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On 05/15/2013 08:39 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 05/15/2013 02:41 PM, Dave Jones wrote: On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 02:25:22PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > I Want To Believe in btrfs, but unfortunately it's still excessively > > buggy. It's actually got worse in Rawhide recently

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On 05/15/2013 02:41 PM, Dave Jones wrote: On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 02:25:22PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > I Want To Believe in btrfs, but unfortunately it's still excessively > > buggy. It's actually got worse in Rawhide recently > > Well, it works fine for myself and for quite

hdf5 update to 1.8.11 in rawhide

I will be updating hdf5 t0 1.8.11 in rawhide tomorrow. This will requires a rebuild of packages built against it. I will try to get to all of those well. cgnslib-3.1-5.r4.fc19.src.rpm dmapd-0.0.51-1.fc20.src.rpm Field3D-1.3.2-9.fc19.src.rpm gdal-1.9.2-5.fc20.src.rpm gdl-0.9.3-6.cvs20130321.fc2

Re: Question about "what to do if mantainer is absent"

On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 12:21 -0600, Pete Zaitcev wrote: > How do they deal with a conflict? Imagine someone there splitting > texlive into 2500 subpackages and then 100 angry contributors > reverting it. What are they going to do in their "open" model then? > > -- Pete Well the maintainers would ju

EPEL Fedora 6 updates-testing report

The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: Age URL 576 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2011-4701/supybot-gribble-0.83.4.1-10.el6 388 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5620/bugzilla-3.4.14-2.el6 89 https://admin.fedoraproject.org

EPEL Fedora 5 updates-testing report

The following Fedora EPEL 5 Security updates need testing: Age URL 388 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5630/bugzilla-3.2.10-5.el5 283 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-6608/Django-1.1.4-2.el5 89 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDO

Re: Question about "what to do if mantainer is absent"

On 05/15/2013 01:56 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: I doubt that model would be accepted in Fedora, though. Different cultures. Which difference in culture do you see? JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Orphaning link-grammar

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Johannes Lips wrote: > Johannes Lips wrote: > >> Jon Ciesla wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Johannes Lips >> > wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am going to orphan link-grammar in a short while, b

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2013-05-15)

=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2013-05-15) === Meeting started by notting at 18:00:11 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-05-15/fesco.2013-05-15-18.00.log.html . Meeting summary

Re: Orphaning link-grammar

Johannes Lips wrote: Jon Ciesla wrote: On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Johannes Lips mailto:johannes.l...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi all, I am going to orphan link-grammar in a short while, because I actually have absolutely no use for it and I don't recall, why I picked it up i

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On May 15, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Jeffrey Bastian wrote: > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 05:58:42PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: >> And avahi doesn't play nice with the localdomain extension anyway. >> Without the extension I ssh into boxes just like I do from Windows or >> OS X: >> >> ssh chris@f19q.local

Re: Orphaning link-grammar

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Johannes Lips wrote: > Jon Ciesla wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Johannes Lips > > wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I am going to orphan link-grammar in a short while, because I >> actually have absolu

Re: Orphaning link-grammar

Jon Ciesla wrote: On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Johannes Lips mailto:johannes.l...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi all, I am going to orphan link-grammar in a short while, because I actually have absolutely no use for it and I don't recall, why I picked it up in the first place.

Koji doensn't resolve package dependency

Hallo, I have got an odd issue with koji on building gnustep-base-1.24.4-7.fc19. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=419373 Koji told me, that the requirement gnustep-make >= 2.6.4-13 could not been resolved. An research on bodhi told me, that gnustep-make-2.6.4-13.fc19 is tagge

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 14:41 -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 02:25:22PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > I Want To Believe in btrfs, but unfortunately it's still excessively > > > buggy. It's actually got worse in Rawhide recently > > > > Well, it works fine for my

Re: "Provides: icon-theme" for *-icon-theme packages

13.05.2013 19:30, Eugene Pivnev пишет: Subj. For packages that requies _any_ icon theme (something like oxygen provides system-kde-icon-theme). Prehistory: as we started RazorQt rpms - some people was crying "I have no any icon in main menu!". So we deside to add _any_ icon theme to Razor's

Re: Orphaning link-grammar

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Johannes Lips wrote: > Hi all, > > I am going to orphan link-grammar in a short while, because I actually > have absolutely no use for it and I don't recall, why I picked it up in the > first place. > So please anyone interested in abiword might want to pick it up.

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On May 15, 2013, at 4:49 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 14.05.13 17:58, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > >> Static hostname: f19q.localdomain >> Takes 1.5 minutes before I can ssh into the VM, but the >> sendmail.service is now about 2 seconds instead of a minute. > > I

Orphaning link-grammar

Hi all, I am going to orphan link-grammar in a short while, because I actually have absolutely no use for it and I don't recall, why I picked it up in the first place. So please anyone interested in abiword might want to pick it up. Thanks a lot! Johannes -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fe

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 02:25:22PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > I Want To Believe in btrfs, but unfortunately it's still excessively > > buggy. It's actually got worse in Rawhide recently > > Well, it works fine for myself and for quite a few other folks I know. Cool story. > I am

Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2013-05-16 16:00 UTC)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2013-05-16 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. rktime): 2013-05-16 09:00 Thu US/Pacific 2013-05-16 12:00 Thu US/Eastern 2013-05-16 16:00 Thu UTC <- 2013-05-16 17:00

Re: Question about "what to do if mantainer is absent"

On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 12:21 -0600, Pete Zaitcev wrote: > On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:03:41 -0500 > Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > Well the open model has already been tried and proven in openSUSE, and > > they're still using it because it actually works really well. There > > aren't usually any issue

Re: Question about "what to do if mantainer is absent"

On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:03:41 -0500 Michael Catanzaro wrote: > Well the open model has already been tried and proven in openSUSE, and > they're still using it because it actually works really well. There > aren't usually any issues regarding overlap of work, though admittedly > that community is

Re: Daily package ownership changes?

On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 20:12 +0200, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: > Quoting Rahul Sundaram (2013-05-15 19:55:17) > > On 05/15/2013 01:22 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > > As you can see from the output at the end of my email, not everyone does > > > it ;-) > > Yeah. I am not surprised at all. Auto

Re: Daily package ownership changes?

Quoting Rahul Sundaram (2013-05-15 19:55:17) > On 05/15/2013 01:22 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > As you can see from the output at the end of my email, not everyone does > > it ;-) > Yeah. I am not surprised at all. Automating as much as possible is the > only efficient way to handle it To

Re: Daily package ownership changes?

On 05/15/2013 01:22 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: As you can see from the output at the end of my email, not everyone does it ;-) Yeah. I am not surprised at all. Automating as much as possible is the only efficient way to handle it Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org h

Re: lua 5.2

Just forwarding this reply. I sent it to Alek directly but my CC to the list got bounced due to me not being subscribed. -- Forwarded message -- From: Craig Barnes Date: 13 May 2013 21:19 Subject: Re: lua 5.2 To: Alek Paunov Cc: "Richard W.M. Jones" On 12 May 2013 01:27, Alek

Re: Daily package ownership changes?

On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 13:15 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/15/2013 12:59 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > Would it be of interest to have a daily mail with the ownership changes > > that happened over the last 24h (or make it bi-daily and 48h or > > weekly...)? > > > > I put together somethi

Re: Daily package ownership changes?

On 05/15/2013 12:59 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: Would it be of interest to have a daily mail with the ownership changes that happened over the last 24h (or make it bi-daily and 48h or weekly...)? I put together something quickly [2] to give an idea of what it could be (see below). This looks

Fedora ARM Weekly Status Meeting 2013-05-15

Good day all, Please join us today (Wednesday, May 15th) at 4PM EDT (8PM UTC) for the Fedora ARM weekly status meeting in #fedora-meeting-1 on Freenode. On the agenda so far.. 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting 1) Problem packages 2) Kernel Status Update 3) Aarch64 Status Upd

Daily package ownership changes?

Dear all, Ian Weller and Ralf Bean have pushed to producation datagrepper two days ago [1]. This is basically a public API to query messages that went on the fedmsg bus thus given a way to make some statistics and provide some information. I have been playing with it with the idea that not all pa

[dspam/el5] fixed bugs #657357 and #954345

commit dfe0f5813431eac5a852603b3122024e8e46c3f9 Author: Nathanael D. Noblet Date: Wed May 15 10:17:24 2013 -0600 fixed bugs #657357 and #954345 dspam-cron | 48 dspam.spec |7 ++- 2 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 45 deletions(-)

Re: when startup delays become bugs

Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: > LVM of course has been broken like this for 5 years, and they know > that. And they did nothing about it. And that's so disappointing... lvmetad exists to do this now. All it requires is the patches to plumb it in everywhere. Bill -- devel maili

Re: when startup delays become bugs

Jeffrey Bastian (jbast...@redhat.com) said: > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 03:51:44PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > But firewalld goes from 7 seconds to 18 seconds? Why? avahi-daemon, > > restorecond, all are an order of magnitude longer on F19 than F18. > > And it was even faster on F17. I had F17

[dspam/el6] fixed bugs #657357 and #954345

commit 47df07f460e42b98bfe35cd5757902f9d709ec96 Author: Nathanael D. Noblet Date: Wed May 15 10:12:27 2013 -0600 fixed bugs #657357 and #954345 dspam-cron | 48 ++-- dspam.spec |7 ++- 2 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 47 deletions(-)

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On 05/15/2013 10:53 AM, Jeffrey Bastian wrote: > Maybe you have iptables blocking mDNS traffic (tcp port 5353)? UDP -- Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com Sometimes there's nothing left

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 05:58:42PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > And avahi doesn't play nice with the localdomain extension anyway. > Without the extension I ssh into boxes just like I do from Windows or > OS X: > > ssh chris@f19q.local > > Whereas if I change the hostname to f19q.localdomain, to

[dspam/f18] fixed bugs #657357 and #954345

commit 9b0286684f31ddcef056f61cac336155c62130e9 Author: Nathanael D. Noblet Date: Wed May 15 09:51:14 2013 -0600 fixed bugs #657357 and #954345 dspam-cron | 48 ++-- dspam.spec |7 ++- 2 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 47 deletions(-)

Re: when startup delays become bugs

Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said: > Note that systemd puts a (configurable) limit on the number of > concurrent connections, much like sshd does it, so there's very little > difference... Also ssh forks of per-connection processes too, so the > difference is probably even smaller... The

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, 15.05.13 10:05, Chris Adams (li...@cmadams.net) wrote: > Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said: > > In that bug you suggest that administrators could change back to standalone > > mode. Given that what you say about frequency of access is true (even on > > systems where ssh login is a pri

Re: Question about "what to do if mantainer is absent"

On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:56:59 -0500 Michael Catanzaro wrote: > Well I mean, someone actually has to press the OK button, or the > change doesn't happen. Sometimes that can cause delays, at least for > big undermanned projects (GNOME in openSUSE isn't too popular). But > usually it works really wel

Re: MTA virtual provides craziness

Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > We now appear to have *four* virtual provides for mail servers: > > MTA > smtpd > smtpdaemon > server(smtp) smtpdaemon's the oldest one, dating back to at least 1997, so should be standard. smtpd and MTA came along in 2000 when postfix and exim were

[dspam: 2/2] merged rebuild

commit e4d8635e2d4b14cae68cd14624dde0a3c7c826de Merge: b6f84d3 5628b9b Author: Nathanael D. Noblet Date: Wed May 15 09:36:43 2013 -0600 merged rebuild dspam.spec |7 +-- 1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff --cc dspam.spec index 09262f2,a9c109c..1fe25c5 --- a/

[dspam: 1/2] fixed bugs #657357 and #954345

commit b6f84d3fed56ce66a500e87149f37728aea5559e Author: Nathanael D. Noblet Date: Wed May 15 09:35:36 2013 -0600 fixed bugs #657357 and #954345 dspam-cron |2 +- dspam.spec |8 +++- 2 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/dspam-cron b/dspam-cron index

[dspam] (2 commits) ...merged rebuild

Summary of changes: b6f84d3... fixed bugs #657357 and #954345 e4d8635... merged rebuild -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-devel

Re: Review Swap with 3 packages

On 15.05.2013 17:24, Christopher Meng wrote: I've noticed it How to solve it? See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Conflicts#Library_Name_Conflicts -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On 05/15/2013 02:21 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 15.05.13 08:53, Chris Adams (li...@cmadams.net) wrote: Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said: 112ms iscsi.service This really sounds like something that should be socket actviated on demand rather than run by default.

Re: Review Swap with 3 packages

I've noticed it How to solve it? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 09:11:32AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Perhaps interested parties could get behind/revive: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA > and finish it out for f20? *nod* Hmmm -- "Percentage of completion: 98%" seems optimistic. :) -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Clo

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:05:40AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said: > > In that bug you suggest that administrators could change back to standalone > > mode. Given that what you say about frequency of access is true (even on > > systems where ssh login is a primar

Re: Review Swap with 3 packages

Hi, On 15/05/13 17:08, Christopher Meng wrote: Hi, I have 3 packages: cego: A relational and transactional database https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=962189 liblfc: Lemke Foundation Classes https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=959974 Regarding this one, I foresee a prob

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

Am 15.05.2013 16:08, schrieb Chris Adams: > The core problem is that there's a general long-time Unix assumption > that piping something to /usr/sbin/sendmail and/or connecting a TCP > socket to localhost:smtp can send email, and so many things don't > explicitly specify that need. The idea is t

Re: Glitch in "Upgrading from EOL Fedora using yum"

but *it is not the same filesystem* if you stay on topic and /var is a own partition Am 14.05.2013 18:41, schrieb Philip Prindeville: > I get that part… but that shouldn't stop the directory from being renamed if > it's staying on the same filesystem. > > -Philip > > On May 14, 2013, at 6:08 AM

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:56:39 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 04:30:35PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > I'd suggest that mdadm should do what cronie already does these > > days: try to use sendmail if it's there and only then, and > > unconditionally log things to syslo

Review Swap with 3 packages

Hi, I have 3 packages: cego: A relational and transactional database https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=962189 liblfc: Lemke Foundation Classes https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=959974 liblfc-xml: Lemke Foundation Classes XML extension https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_

Re: when startup delays become bugs

Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said: > In that bug you suggest that administrators could change back to standalone > mode. Given that what you say about frequency of access is true (even on > systems where ssh login is a primary activity, time between accesess is > generally on a human scale rat

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 04:21:20PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=963268 In that bug you suggest that administrators could change back to standalone mode. Given that what you say about frequency of access is true (even on systems where ssh login is a

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:57:52AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 08:53:44AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > > SSH host key generation needs to be done in advance (don't want a > > connecting socket to wait for that). Maybe that could be done with a > > separate firstboot-like

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 08:53:44AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > SSH host key generation needs to be done in advance (don't want a > connecting socket to wait for that). Maybe that could be done with a > separate firstboot-like service that gets disabled once run? Bugzilla # ? :) -- Matthew Mille

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 04:30:35PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > I'd suggest that mdadm should do what cronie already does these days: > try to use sendmail if it's there and only then, and unconditionally log > things to syslog. This would the allow us to remove an SMTP server from > the defa

Re: lua 5.2

On 05/13/2013 03:01 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: > On 05/10/2013 04:55 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: >> You may have noticed me poking random packages, I'm preparing rawhide >> (and only rawhide) for an update to lua 5.2. >> >> Please be patient. :) > > tolua++ does not have lua 5.2 support, and porting it i

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 13:36 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >236ms spice-vdagentd.service > > I don't see why this is on by default. According to this bug report this > should have been pulled in on-demand only: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876237 It probably w

[perl-POE] Don't require POE::Test::Loops on EPEL

commit 962c2b925a29a063ba9a7111b5da03f3a127ee9c Author: Petr Šabata Date: Wed May 15 16:50:15 2013 +0200 Don't require POE::Test::Loops on EPEL perl-POE.spec |8 ++-- 1 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-POE.spec b/perl-POE.spec index 9883ca0..87e

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 11:58 +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > Il 15/05/2013 05:43, Adam Williamson ha scritto: > > On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 15:51 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > >> But firewalld goes from 7 seconds to 18 seconds? Why? avahi-daemon, > >> restorecond, all are an order of magnitude longer

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, 15.05.13 15:38, Hans de Goede (hdego...@redhat.com) wrote: > >Ah, cute, on my machine the only reason this is pulled in is > >/etc/modules-load.d/spice-vdagentd.conf -- which also pulls in our old > >friend uinput (see above). > > > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=963201 > >

Re: Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

On Wed, 15.05.13 09:08, Chris Adams (li...@cmadams.net) wrote: > Once upon a time, Dan Mashal said: > > Sanity: Switching to postfix? > > That's a long-time sore point, but the general idea is that "sanity" is > not switching desktops/non-mail-servers from one full-featured MTA to > another. Th

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, 15.05.13 08:53, Chris Adams (li...@cmadams.net) wrote: > Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said: > > >112ms iscsi.service > > > > This really sounds like something that should be socket actviated on > > demand rather than run by default. > > This is attaching to configure

Default-installed MTA (was Re: MTA virtual provides craziness)

Once upon a time, Dan Mashal said: > Sanity: Switching to postfix? That's a long-time sore point, but the general idea is that "sanity" is not switching desktops/non-mail-servers from one full-featured MTA to another. The right move is to either remove a local MTA from the default install (which

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 22:21 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > I've tried both, but when I rename it I'm using 'hostnamectl set-hostname > XXX' as I'm not seeing anything obvious in Gnome that does this. This is on the Details panel of System Settings. You're expected to type a "pretty" hostnames with

Re: when startup delays become bugs

Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said: > >112ms iscsi.service > > This really sounds like something that should be socket actviated on > demand rather than run by default. This is attaching to configured iSCSI devices (which at a minimum requires parsing configuration files to se

Re: when startup delays become bugs

Hi, On 05/15/2013 01:36 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 14.05.13 20:43, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: Let me take the opportunity to dissect some of this: 236ms spice-vdagentd.service I don't see why this is on by default. According to this bug report th

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 01:01:18PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 14.05.13 15:51, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > > > 2.911s abrt-uefioops.service > > I don't understand really why abrt needs to run at all by default. It > should be spawned automatically when

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-05-15)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2013-05-15 18:00 UTC' Links to all tickets below

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On 05/15/2013 02:58 PM, Farkas Levente wrote: On 05/15/2013 02:48 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: We nowadays require syslog implementations to be socket activatable, and that socket is around before normal services start, and that's guaranteed, hence nobody has to depend on syslog explicitly anym

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On 05/15/2013 02:48 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 15.05.13 07:45, Dan Williams (d...@redhat.com) wrote: > Is anything waiting on NetworkManager-wait-online in your install? That target is really intended for servers where you want to block Apache or Sendmail or Database f

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, 15.05.13 07:45, Dan Williams (d...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > Is anything waiting on NetworkManager-wait-online in your install? That > > > target is really intended for servers where you want to block Apache or > > > Sendmail or Database from starting until you're sure your networking is >

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 12:52 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 14.05.13 17:30, Dan Williams (d...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 15:51 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > This is not intended to be snarky, but I admit it could sound like it is. > > > When are long startup ti

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On 05/15/2013 02:25 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 15.05.13 12:55, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: Is there a constructive summary anywhere of what LVM needs to do / change? This problem affects libguestfs too. It should subscribe to block devices coming and going and the

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, 15.05.13 12:55, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 01:36:57PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Tue, 14.05.13 20:43, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: > > >356ms systemd-udev-settle.service > > > > This is exlusively LVM's

F-19 Branched report: 20130515 changes

Compose started at Wed May 15 09:15:02 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [byzanz] byzanz-0.3-0.5.fc17.x86_64 requires libpanel-applet-4.so.0()(64bit) [deltacloud-core] deltacloud-core-rhevm-1.1.3-1.fc19.noarch requires rubyge

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, 15.05.13 13:36, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote: I have now created a tracker bug "WhyWeBotSoSlow" to track all these little issues that cause things to be in our boot-up sequence that really shouldn't be there... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=963210 Would b

Re: when startup delays become bugs

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 01:36:57PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >112ms iscsi.service > > This really sounds like something that should be socket actviated on > demand rather than run by default. There are few parts of iSCSI stack in Fedora. This iscsi.service brings up all tar

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