Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2013-06-27 at 18:41 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Thu, 2013-06-27 at 23:38 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Why would you want this? I mean, we rate-limit per-service anyway, so the issue of one app flooding evreything else should be mostly non-existant. And hence, what you are

Re: libgd breakage

2013-06-28 Thread Volker Fröhlich
On 27/06/13 17:31, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 06/26/2013 08:01 AM, Volker Fröhlich wrote: GDAL is currently broken because it needs a rebuild for Poppler, but the Texlive build is broken, as far as I can see. texlive has now been rebuilt. We've got a working GDAL build again. Volker --

Re: Media Sizes SRPMS DVD

2013-06-28 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:52:25 -0500 Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: The tooling can not make split media. its not possible. I meant us in Freemedia? on our own pcs -- Regards, Frank When in doubt PANIC! I check for new mail app. 20min www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list

Tinyproxy - provenpackager intervention needed (760474)

2013-06-28 Thread Tomasz Torcz
Hi, Tinyproxy package has a problem since F16 - because of missing tmpfilesd snippet, the program won't start without intervention of admin. Tinyproxy wnats to store pidfile in /run/tinyproxy. This directory does not exist after fresh boot. There's a bug open:

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread P J P
   Hello Jan, - Original Message - From: Jan Kaluza jkal...@redhat.com Subject: Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default Right now, without locking, logrotate would loss more messages if the logs are big, because copying takes more time. It would be interesting to mention the

Re: How to remove package and all dependent packages from EL branch?

2013-06-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 01:50 AM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Hello. I've got bugreport that Erlang doesn't work on EL6 PPC64 achitecture. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958953 I don't have resources to fix this issue, and nobody volunteered to

F-19 Branched report: 20130628 changes

2013-06-28 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Fri Jun 28 09:15:03 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [avgtime] avgtime-0-0.5.git20120724.fc19.x86_64 requires libphobos-ldc.so.60()(64bit) [derelict] derelict-ogg-3-13.20130516gitd8aa11d.fc19.i686

Re: Tinyproxy - provenpackager intervention needed (760474)

2013-06-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 05:43 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Hi, Tinyproxy package has a problem since F16 - because of missing tmpfilesd snippet, the program won't start without intervention of admin. Tinyproxy wnats to store pidfile in /run/tinyproxy. This

Re: Tinyproxy - provenpackager intervention needed (760474)

2013-06-28 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/28/2013 12:47 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 05:43 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Hi, Tinyproxy package has a problem since F16 - because of missing tmpfilesd snippet, the program won't start without intervention of admin. Tinyproxy

Re: Tinyproxy - provenpackager intervention needed (760474)

2013-06-28 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:46:52PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 06/28/2013 12:47 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Tinyproxy package has a problem since F16 - because of missing tmpfilesd snippet, the program won't start without intervention of admin. Tinyproxy wnats to store pidfile in

Re: Architecture specific header files

2013-06-28 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 25.6.2013 15:41, Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Hi, Is there some common practice, where to place architecture specific header files? From output of the following command, I can't see any such place. $ `gcc -print-prog-name=cc1` -v ignoring nonexistent directory

Re: Tinyproxy - provenpackager intervention needed (760474)

2013-06-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 08:53 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:46:52PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 06/28/2013 12:47 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Tinyproxy package has a problem since F16 - because of missing tmpfilesd

Re: How to remove package and all dependent packages from EL branch?

2013-06-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 08:44 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On 06/28/2013 01:50 AM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Hello. I've got bugreport that Erlang doesn't work on EL6 PPC64 achitecture. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958953 I don't have

Re: Architecture specific header files

2013-06-28 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:58:12PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 25.6.2013 15:41, Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Is there some common practice, where to place architecture specific header files? From output of the following command, I can't see any such place. gcc doesn't have such location, you'd

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 28.06.13 13:23, P J P (pj.pan...@yahoo.co.in) wrote: The systemd-journald takes care of all of: receiving messages, writing them to storage, and rotating the storage. We do synchronous rotation before each write. i.e. the moment we append to a file we check if the write would

yum groupinstall development-tools FAILS

2013-06-28 Thread Philip Rhoades
People, This command: yum groupinstall development-tools fails with these errors: Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/systemtap.mo from install of systemtap-devel-2.2.1-1.fc18.x86_64 conflicts with file from package systemtap-sdt-devel-2.1-2.fc18.x86_64 file

Re: yum groupinstall development-tools FAILS

2013-06-28 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: People, This command: yum groupinstall development-tools fails with these errors: Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/systemtap.mo from install of

Re: Tinyproxy - provenpackager intervention needed (760474)

2013-06-28 Thread Eric H. Christensen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:43:44AM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Tinyproxy package has a problem since F16 - because of missing tmpfilesd snippet, the program won't start without intervention of admin. Tinyproxy wnats to store pidfile in

Re: yum groupinstall development-tools FAILS

2013-06-28 Thread Brendan Jones
On 06/28/2013 03:32 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: People, This command: yum groupinstall development-tools fails with these errors: Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/systemtap.mo from install of systemtap-devel-2.2.1-1.fc18.x86_64 conflicts with file from

Re: yum groupinstall development-tools FAILS

2013-06-28 Thread Philip Rhoades
Brendan, On 2013-06-28 23:47, Brendan Jones wrote: On 06/28/2013 03:32 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: People, This command: yum groupinstall development-tools fails with these errors: Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/systemtap.mo from install of

delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Reindl Harald
why does yum --enablerepo=updates-testing -q check-update --security today the first time show a kernel built a week ago? this is *way* too long to get it in *updates-testing* and after that wait forever to go to stable while 3.9.8 is still built, and new builts especially security relevant ones

Re: Architecture specific header files

2013-06-28 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 28.6.2013 15:04, Jakub Jelinek napsal(a): On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:58:12PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 25.6.2013 15:41, Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Is there some common practice, where to place architecture specific header files? From output of the following command, I can't see any such

Re: delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:36:24 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: why does yum --enablerepo=updates-testing -q check-update --security today the first time show a kernel built a week ago? this is *way* too long to get it in *updates-testing* and after that wait forever to go

Re: yum groupinstall development-tools FAILS

2013-06-28 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au writes: [...] yum --exclude=systemtap-sdt-devel* groupinstall development-tools still gives the same errors . . How about a yum update systemtap\* first? - FChE -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.06.2013 16:49, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:36:24 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: why does yum --enablerepo=updates-testing -q check-update --security today the first time show a kernel built a week ago? this is *way* too long to get it in

Re: delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:09:43 +0200 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: ...snip... which does not explain why 3.9.6 and 3.9.7 was not in updates-testing and 3.9.7 got there today, a week after it was built and after 3.9.8 was built on koji for F17 Only the kernel maintainers can

Re: delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 17:09:43 +0200, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: so if the would be a link from koji to give karma i would have done that last sunday as i installed it on my test-VM and as said having users testing kernels and many other packages often before the maintainer

Re: How to remove package and all dependent packages from EL branch?

2013-06-28 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: Your best bet would be to add ppc64 to the ExclusiveArch on erlang, rebuild it, get it pushed to stable, then the broken deps would make it clear what packages were descended from it (and can also be patched then to

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 07:34:06PM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: At the Fedora 19 Final Go/No-Go Meeting that just occurred, it was agreed to Go with the Fedora 19 by Fedora QA, development, release engineering and FPM. 979205 got filed yesterday, which makes it incredibly difficult to

Re: delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.06.2013 17:42, schrieb Kevin Fenzi: On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:09:43 +0200 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: which does not explain why 3.9.6 and 3.9.7 was not in updates-testing and 3.9.7 got there today, a week after it was built and after 3.9.8 was built on koji for F17

Re: delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 28.06.2013 17:42, schrieb Kevin Fenzi: On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:09:43 +0200 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: which does not explain why 3.9.6 and 3.9.7 was not in updates-testing and 3.9.7 got there

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:00:40 +0100 Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: 979205 got filed yesterday, which makes it incredibly difficult to install F19 on Macs while keeping OS X. This is rather frustrating, since Fedora's the only distribution with any significant support for running

Re: delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.06.2013 18:13, schrieb Josh Boyer: if i install kernel from koji on several machines and have a option to give karma if it works it would be in any case a useful information for the maintainers which is indepedent from what they desired intentionally You can always email us saying

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:25:58AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: - Say we ground all the wheels to a halt and slipped for this bug. Where to do we draw the line? If someone comes up with a bug at 9:50am on release morning, do we cancel everything? There has to be a point where we say sorry,

File Regexp-Grammars-1.030.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by wfp

2013-06-28 Thread Bill Pemberton
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Regexp-Grammars: a87a0204466d3e833f8e826c3eb75ebf Regexp-Grammars-1.030.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 17:00 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 07:34:06PM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: At the Fedora 19 Final Go/No-Go Meeting that just occurred, it was agreed to Go with the Fedora 19 by Fedora QA, development, release engineering and FPM. 979205 got

Fedora 19 ARM GO/NO GO meeting minutes

2013-06-28 Thread Paul Whalen
Quick summary from our meeting today- we will be shipping Fedora 19 for ARM on July 2nd. This marks a significant milestone for ARM, being our first release that will ship alongside the primary architectures on day one. Many thanks to those who made this possible. Thanks to those that were

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: There is another 'workaround' you haven't considered: we can simply build an updates.img that fixes the issue (or works around it, by ditching the commit from 19.13.10 that apparently broke this case), and link to that

Re: Firefox in Rawhide is out of date

2013-06-28 Thread Kalev Lember
2013-06-27 20:57, Elio Maldonado Batiz skrev: I brought this up with the nss/nspr team upstream. Kai added a good explanation for them and proposedchanging the naming scheme two use three numbersalwaysas the long term solution. Until that is accepted and implemented upstream option (1) is a

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:19 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: There is another 'workaround' you haven't considered: we can simply build an updates.img that fixes the issue (or works around it, by ditching the commit from

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread DJ Delorie
If at 9:50am on release morning, aliens threatened to blow up the world if we shipped, we'd certainly do something about it. But it would be insane to expect us to *document* that we'd do something about it. IMHO it's perfectly reasonable for documented policy to simply say bugs after this

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:24:07PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2013-06-27 at 18:41 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Thu, 2013-06-27 at 23:38 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Why would you want this? I mean, we rate-limit per-service anyway, so the issue of one app flooding

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 01:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:19 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: There is another 'workaround' you haven't considered: we can simply

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 01:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:19 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Adam Williamson

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:31 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On 06/28/2013 01:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:19 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: There is another 'workaround' you haven't considered:

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 01:26:52PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: If at 9:50am on release morning, aliens threatened to blow up the world if we shipped, we'd certainly do something about it. But it would be insane to expect us to *document* that we'd do something about it. Why? Beyond this

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:31 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On 06/28/2013 01:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:19 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Adam Williamson

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 01:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:31 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On 06/28/2013 01:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:19 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Adam

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:13:15AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, I'd say _limited_ compatibility. We've had all kinds of bugs in Mac support in, well, pretty much all previous releases too. It's not as if we have a track record of excellent support, we have a track record of 'you can

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 18:40 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:13:15AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, I'd say _limited_ compatibility. We've had all kinds of bugs in Mac support in, well, pretty much all previous releases too. It's not as if we have a track

Re: Fedora 19 ARM GO/NO GO meeting minutes

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 01:18:59PM -0400, Paul Whalen wrote: Quick summary from our meeting today- we will be shipping Fedora 19 for ARM on July 2nd. This marks a significant milestone for ARM, being our first release that will ship alongside the primary architectures on day one. Many

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Richard Vickery
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 01:26:52PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: If at 9:50am on release morning, aliens threatened to blow up the world if we shipped, we'd certainly do something about it. But it would be insane to

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:43:33AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: With all respect, the bug reports and blogs I've read would not lead me to support that assertion. With all respect, bug numbers. -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:46:51 -0700 Richard Vickery richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 01:26:52PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: If at 9:50am on release morning, aliens threatened to blow up the

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Corey Quinn
On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:26 AM, DJ Delorie d...@redhat.com wrote: If at 9:50am on release morning, aliens threatened to blow up the world if we shipped, we'd certainly do something about it. So what you're saying is that you negotiate with terrorists? :-p On a more serious note, though it

Re: libgd breakage

2013-06-28 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2013/6/28 Volker Fröhlich volke...@gmx.at: On 27/06/13 17:31, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 06/26/2013 08:01 AM, Volker Fröhlich wrote: GDAL is currently broken because it needs a rebuild for Poppler, but the Texlive build is broken, as far as I can see. texlive has now been rebuilt.

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/28/2013 01:31 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Yee, I just _love_ me some Macs. Thanks; I'll take that into account for commonbugs. When did Macs stop having ethernet ports? When the MacBook Air became the flagship Mac. We just got a MacBook Air and it came with a Thunderbolt pigtail

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread DJ Delorie
So what you're saying is that you negotiate with terrorists? :-p Anyone else want to negotiate? (sorry, couldn't resist ;) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Corey Quinn
On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think any of the thunderbolt equipped MBPs (or maybe the later ones) have them. The thunderbolt ethernet adapters apparently work if you plug them in before you power them on and presumably all the usb

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) said: Splitting is controlled by SplitMode= Controls whether to split up journal files per user. One of login, uid and none. If login each logged in user will get his own journal files, but systemd user IDs will log into the system

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Corey Quinn
On Jun 28, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: On 06/28/2013 01:31 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Yee, I just _love_ me some Macs. Thanks; I'll take that into account for commonbugs. When did Macs stop having ethernet ports? When the MacBook Air became

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 07:27:30PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Splitting is controlled by SplitMode= Controls whether to split up journal files per user. One of login, uid and none. If login each logged in user will get his own journal files, but systemd user IDs will log

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:46:25PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 07:27:30PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Splitting is controlled by SplitMode= Controls whether to split up journal files per user. One of login, uid and none. If login each logged in

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: and we have no history of producing updated install images. Is there *any* reason why we can't? This sounds like a reasonable thing to do. Just because we have not done it in the past is not a reason not to. -- devel

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: it makes sense from a logistic standpoint. But from any other POV it makes no sense. There is no reason why we cannot produce and ship updated images if we find a bug that is important enough. -- devel mailing list

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 22:13 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: and we have no history of producing updated install images. Is there *any* reason why we can't? This sounds like a reasonable thing to do. Just because we have not

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:14:51 +0200 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: it makes sense from a logistic standpoint. But from any other POV it makes no sense. There is no reason why we cannot produce and ship updated images

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 09:48:58PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: 'uid' as default doesn't make sense, at least with the current way of accesing logs. It is really nice to be able to view messages about a service interleaved from various sources. Now when you say 'journalctl -u

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:14:51 +0200 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: it makes sense from a logistic standpoint. But from any other POV it makes no

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:13:09 +0200 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: and we have no history of producing updated install images. Is there *any* reason why we can't? This sounds like a reasonable thing to do. Just

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:13:09 +0200 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: and we have no history of producing updated install images. Is there *any*

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread P J P
  Hi, - Original Message - From: Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de Subject: Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default journald is the only writer, it doesn't need locking. The changes it does are done in a way so that concurrent readers will either see the changes or not,

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 28 June 2013 14:43, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:13:09 +0200 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: * Mirrors willing to have another pile of release bits * Marketing/press folks willing to put

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 22:43 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:13:09 +0200 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: and we have no

Re: yum groupinstall development-tools FAILS

2013-06-28 Thread Philip Rhoades
FChE, On 2013-06-29 01:24, f...@redhat.com wrote: Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au writes: [...] yum --exclude=systemtap-sdt-devel* groupinstall development-tools still gives the same errors . . How about a yum update systemtap\* first? That did it! - Good to remember . . Thanks,

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:25:58AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: - Say we ground all the wheels to a halt and slipped for this bug. Where to do we draw the line? If someone comes up with a bug at 9:50am on release

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 28, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think any of the thunderbolt equipped MBPs (or maybe the later ones) have them. The thunderbolt ethernet adapters apparently work if you plug them in before you power them on and presumably all the usb ethernet

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 15:42 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: But the final release series of RC's happen very quickly, and any allowed change is by definition significant (i.e. necessary) or it simply wouldn't happen, but that also makes the change higher risk than other changes. So I think more

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 22:43 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:13:09 +0200 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-06-29 at 00:24 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 22:43 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:13:09 +0200

Re: libgd breakage

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 15:14 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: 2013/6/28 Volker Fröhlich volke...@gmx.at: On 27/06/13 17:31, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 06/26/2013 08:01 AM, Volker Fröhlich wrote: GDAL is currently broken because it needs a rebuild for Poppler, but the

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 28.06.13 14:46, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 07:27:30PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Splitting is controlled by SplitMode= Controls whether to split up journal files per user. One of login, uid and none. If login each

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 28.06.13 16:33, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 09:48:58PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: 'uid' as default doesn't make sense, at least with the current way of accesing logs. It is really nice to be able to view messages about a

More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-28 Thread Michael Catanzaro
There still seems to be an issue with the update descriptions that we present in PackageKit. A lot of people just write update to version x.y.z which is not great, but a whole lot better than some of the ones we've been seeing recently. For example, from two updates I got today: * Not tested

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I think you may be labouring under a bit of a misapprehension about what should be tested, here. The distinction between a TC and an RC is not large. An RC can only happen after freeze and must have all blockers fixed:

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2013-06-28 17:44, Michael Catanzaro wrote: There still seems to be an issue with the update descriptions that we present in PackageKit. A lot of people just write update to version x.y.z which is not great, but a whole lot better than some of the ones we've been seeing recently. For example,

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 28.06.13 01:17, Jan Kaluza (jkal...@redhat.com) wrote: Why would you want this? I mean, we rate-limit per-service anyway, so the issue of one app flooding evreything else should be mostly non-existant. And hence, what you are asking for is some policy control about what to

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 29.06.13 04:46, P J P (pj.pan...@yahoo.co.in) wrote:   Hi, - Original Message - From: Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de Subject: Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default journald is the only writer, it doesn't need locking. The changes it does are done in

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2013-06-28 17:51, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I think you may be labouring under a bit of a misapprehension about what should be tested, here. The distinction between a TC and an RC is not large. An RC can only happen after

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Sex, 2013-06-28 at 14:16 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 22:43 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:13:09 +0200 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM,

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread William Brown
On 29/06/2013, at 7:12, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:25:58AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: - Say we ground all the wheels to a halt and slipped for this bug. Where to do we

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 02:42:11AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: That's why we are so strong on filtering the dataset when you look at it. May I recommend watching this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4CACB7paLc I was there at that talk. :) I think the journal is cool. It does

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread William Brown
We do actually have more than a few people with Macs: you, Fedora QA's Brno team, mjg59, and I think someone on anaconda team has one. It would be nice if at least one of the above could test each *C, though I realize bare metal testing is a PITA and I hate it myself. I do bare

[Bug 844988] Upgrade to new upstream version

2013-06-28 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=844988 --- Comment #1 from lionel.c...@cern.ch --- The latest version of Test::Class on CPAN is now 0.39. This is the version to use everywhere. Please upgrade in Fedora as well as EPEL5 and EPEL6. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on

[Bug 979143] rpm -q --provides perl has superfluous output

2013-06-28 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=979143 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED --- Comment #1

File Digest-SHA-5.85.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2013-06-28 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Digest-SHA: 7e9d19d00a66363012a6fdb3ae3ffd22 Digest-SHA-5.85.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Digest-SHA] 5.85 bump

2013-06-28 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 4b6c557a95836d21ac898dd851350bc950ddf523 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 28 10:48:08 2013 +0200 5.85 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Digest-SHA.spec | 14 +- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

[perl-Digest-SHA/f19] 5.85 bump

2013-06-28 Thread Petr Pisar
Summary of changes: 4b6c557... 5.85 bump (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Digest-SHA/f18] Deal with calling destructor multiple times

2013-06-28 Thread Petr Pisar
commit b186646a945e0d41dfccd035710c521b0961a71a Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Fri Jun 28 14:12:28 2013 +0200 Deal with calling destructor multiple times Digest-SHA-5.84-repeated_shaclose.patch | 30 ++ perl-Digest-SHA.spec|

Broken dependencies: perl-Bio-ASN1-EntrezGene

2013-06-28 Thread buildsys
perl-Bio-ASN1-EntrezGene has broken dependencies in the F-19 tree: On x86_64: perl-Bio-ASN1-EntrezGene-1.091-17.fc19.noarch requires perl(Bio::Index::AbstractSeq) On i386: perl-Bio-ASN1-EntrezGene-1.091-17.fc19.noarch requires perl(Bio::Index::AbstractSeq) Please resolve this

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