Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

- Original Message - > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > > 3) Making all livecd packages depend on Python 3 by default (and > > eventually getting rid of Python 2 from livecd) - this will also require > > switching from Yum to DNF as a default, that is suppo

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

- Original Message - > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:20:02AM +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > On 07/19/2013 05:44 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > > > >On Jul 18, 2013 5:42 PM, "Michael Catanzaro" > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 09:53 -070

Re: Grepping through all Fedora specfiles?

On 07/22/2013 11:39 AM, Ville Skyttä wrote: Hello, I'd like to grep through all specfiles (and preferably also patches and sources in git) for rawhide, this time related to the unversioned docdirs F20 feature, and sometimes for other reasons. Hopefully there's a better way than to fedpkg clone a

Re: Why does so much virt stuff depend on glusterfs?

On Jul 22, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 05:17:01PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> Today in Absurd Dependency Bingo: >>> glusterfs x86_64 3.4.0-2.fc19 @updates-testing >>> 4.7 M > [...] >>> qemu-common x86_64 2:

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

On 7/22/13, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2013-07-22 at 15:23 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: >> On 07/22/2013 12:31 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: >> > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013, Florian Weimer wrote: >> >> Can we please use a different name, like "webdata"? The term "asset" >> >> seems >> >> to scar

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Hi, On Monday 22 July 2013 21:15:14 Lennart Poettering wrote: > The point I am trying to make is that if you have something that is > vulnerable to a DoS attack you need to have a strategy to handle > that. A very simple strategy exists -- alias root's mail to a regular user. I previously said

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Hi, On Monday 22 July 2013 20:33:32 Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Sun, 21.07.13 01:50, Oron Peled (o...@actcom.co.il) wrote: > > OK, I won't count mailx and mutt because we talk about different audience, > > should we open bug-reports for the rest? (kmail? evolution?) > > Goog luck filing bugs

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Tue, 23.07.13 03:14, Oron Peled (o...@actcom.co.il) wrote: > On Monday 22 July 2013 21:00:36 Lennart Poettering wrote: > > If you argue from the viewpoint of how universially available an API is > > to make it "standard", then I would like to remind you that there are > > probably more Ubuntu i

Re: Why does so much virt stuff depend on glusterfs?

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 05:17:01PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > Today in Absurd Dependency Bingo: > > glusterfs x86_64 3.4.0-2.fc19 @updates-testing > > 4.7 M [...] > > qemu-common x86_64 2:1.4.2-4.fc19 @updates-testing > > 624 k $ rpm -q --ch

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 03:14:32AM +0300, Oron Peled wrote: > BTW: nobody ever answered how desktop users are supposed to read the > output of their cron-jobs (they don't have permissions to read logs). They do have permissions to read journal entries that come from their userid. -- Matthe

Why does so much virt stuff depend on glusterfs?

Today in Absurd Dependency Bingo: > Dependencies Resolved > > > Package Arch Version Repository > Size > ==

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Monday 22 July 2013 21:00:36 Lennart Poettering wrote: > If you argue from the viewpoint of how universially available an API is > to make it "standard", then I would like to remind you that there are > probably more Ubuntu installations in the world thatn Fedora > installations, and they haven'

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:13:25PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: > But it's not an objective of Fedora to have long-term-stable releases > suitable for running servers! No one in their right mind runs any > rapid development distribution (not just Fedora) on critical > infrastructure. I'd like to qual

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, 22.07.13 19:29, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:36:19AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > journald is in theory fine with 2^64 bytes per message. In practice (due > > to the CPU cost of compressing large blobs with XZ while we write it to >

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:36:19AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > journald is in theory fine with 2^64 bytes per message. In practice (due > to the CPU cost of compressing large blobs with XZ while we write it to > disk) a few MB should be fine. Also, cronie will split up the messages > by line

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, 22.07.13 15:26, Robert Nichols (rnicholsnos...@comcast.net) wrote: > On 07/22/2013 11:36 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > I am pretty sure that most of the stuff we currently mail > >(like the log output of cron jobs) simply makes no sense as mail, and > >should much rather be treated exa

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

On Mon, 2013-07-22 at 12:13 -0600, Eric Smith wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > wrote: > > On 07/22/2013 04:41 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >> They chose to use a _downstream_ distribution. RHEL *is* Fedora, it's > >> just a Fedora that's been hardened and held

[slic3r/f19] (3 commits) ...Filter perl(Wx::GLCanvas) from requires, it's optional and not yet in Fedora

Summary of changes: 2cba691... New upstream release (*) 6eb46fe... New upstream release 0.9.10b (*) 4806989... Filter perl(Wx::GLCanvas) from requires, it's optional and (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedora

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

Shout out to my fellow Flocker, Matt... Original Message Subject: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:38:54 -0400 From: Matthew Miller Reply-To: Development discussions related to Fedora To: Fedora Development Lis

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

vgoyal wrote: > [...] >> Have you considered a non-cryptographic solution, like a physical >> presence check to (temporarily) disable Secure Boot so that the >> kexec restriction no longer applies? [...] > > I think kyle has a patch which will allow disabling secureboot > restriction if one is o

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:45:22AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > we need the policies to make this ring part of Fedora. So, a > > practical follow-up to this proposal would be a committee to design > > the policies for Ring 2 and how they work. > Sure. Of course you mean, design the policies and ge

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

On 07/22/2013 08:17 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > Well, I did what you asked and I don't know what you are getting at. So I suppose either your instructions were unclear or you just wanted me to see that the FPC subpackage guidelines work as designed. So you installed a sub package ( or simply

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On 22.07.2013 15:38, Matthew Miller wrote: > > I've been involved to some small degree with Fedora since the beginning. > This is a project and a Linux distribution which I love, and which I know > everyone reading this also cares about deeply. We don't want to break what > is successful and works.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On 07/22/2013 11:36 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: I am pretty sure that most of the stuff we currently mail (like the log output of cron jobs) simply makes no sense as mail, and should much rather be treated exactly like all other log output. There's nothing special really about cron that would

Re: [AutoQA] #439: depcheck crashes almost every time post fc17 (was: depcheck crashes almost every time on fc19)

#439: depcheck crashes almost every time post fc17 +--- Reporter: tflink | Owner: Type: defect | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Depcheck Component: tests | Resolution: Keywords: | Blocked By: Blocking:

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

On 07/22/2013 08:04 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" said: On 07/22/2013 06:13 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: No one in their right mind runs any rapid development distribution (not just Fedora) on cri

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:33 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/22/2013 05:53 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:47:12PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >>> >>> On 07/22/2013 04:34 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: This was actually not the rationale. Th

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 19.07.13 13:17, Billy Crook (billycr...@gmail.com) wrote: >> Sendmail stays in Default unless there is compelling reason to switch to >> postfix, exim, meta1, etc. Those users who wish to remove it are welcome >> to do so. Nob

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

On Mon, 2013-07-22 at 15:23 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 07/22/2013 12:31 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013, Florian Weimer wrote: > >> Can we please use a different name, like "webdata"? The term "asset" seems > >> to scare some people. > > > > Huh? It's a pretty commo

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

Once upon a time, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" said: > On 07/22/2013 06:13 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > >On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > > wrote: > >>On 07/22/2013 04:41 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >>>They chose to use a _downstream_ distribution. RHEL *is* Fedora, it's > >>>j

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On 07/22/2013 07:59 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" said: On 07/22/2013 06:52 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" said: On 07/22/2013 03:38 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 02:28:52PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsso

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On Sun, 2013-07-21 at 20:46 -0400, Ding Yi Chen wrote: > > - Original Message - > > On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 21:37 -0400, Ding Yi Chen wrote: > > > > > > Exactly - adding to the minimal install is generally always a supported > > > > operation. Removing from the minimal install is always a

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

Once upon a time, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" said: > On 07/22/2013 06:52 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > >Once upon a time, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" said: > >>On 07/22/2013 03:38 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > >>>On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 02:28:52PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > >>Should be made le

Re: [AutoQA] #439: depcheck crashes almost every time on fc19

#439: depcheck crashes almost every time on fc19 +--- Reporter: tflink | Owner: Type: defect | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Depcheck Component: tests | Resolution: Keywords: | Blocked By: Blocking:

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, 2013-07-22 at 21:10 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 20:23, Adam Williamson a écrit : > > > Just before this one gets any worse: it was Nicolas Mailhot who started > > talking about banks sending email for some reason, not Miloslav. > > Please do not attribute me wha

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

On 07/22/2013 11:11 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 17:07, Robert Marcano a écrit : Fonts has licenses, some of them require the license to be shown or the copyright displayed, some fonts has the copyright added to their metadata, I don't find for example that gnu-free-serif-

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

On 07/22/2013 06:13 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 07/22/2013 04:41 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: They chose to use a _downstream_ distribution. RHEL *is* Fedora, it's just a Fedora that's been hardened and held to a certain level of AB

[perl-POE-Component-SimpleLog] Perl 5.18 rebuild

commit feb12f3eb5da6a71e9fecf2405d40e76e6a854f8 Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Jul 22 21:54:11 2013 +0200 Perl 5.18 rebuild perl-POE-Component-SimpleLog.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-POE-Component-SimpleLog.spec b/perl-POE-Compone

[perl-Mail-IMAPClient] Perl 5.18 rebuild

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[perl-Razor-Agent] Perl 5.18 rebuild

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[perl-POE-Test-Loops] Perl 5.18 rebuild

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Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On 07/22/2013 06:52 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" said: On 07/22/2013 03:38 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 02:28:52PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Should be made less RHEL we want people to use Fedora not RHEL Candidly, we want p

[perl-IO-Socket-SSL] Perl 5.18 rebuild

commit e7382a4aba56fee7b7de3f5347a0342de69a0e58 Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Jul 22 21:52:10 2013 +0200 Perl 5.18 rebuild perl-IO-Socket-SSL.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-IO-Socket-SSL.spec b/perl-IO-Socket-SSL.spec index 12044dd

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

On Fri, 19.07.13 20:12, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:20 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > wrote: > > On 07/17/2013 12:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:21:39AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > >>> > >>> On 07/17/2013 12:5

[perl-Mail-SPF] Perl 5.18 rebuild

commit 0d6b722c92559d7ff3e809ceaf83196d4b43bb5d Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Jul 22 21:36:51 2013 +0200 Perl 5.18 rebuild perl-Mail-SPF.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Mail-SPF.spec b/perl-Mail-SPF.spec index b6b2718..b5c01d1 10064

[perl-POE-Component-Client-DNS] Perl 5.18 rebuild

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[perl-POE-Filter-Transparent-SMTP] Perl 5.18 rebuild

commit 5508d301669d6611f240b716e1753c5f148c008e Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Jul 22 21:35:50 2013 +0200 Perl 5.18 rebuild perl-POE-Filter-Transparent-SMTP.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-POE-Filter-Transparent-SMTP.spec b/perl-POE

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

On 07/22/2013 05:53 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:47:12PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 07/22/2013 04:34 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: This was actually not the rationale. The rationale was that it wasn't harmful to Fedora and so if individual maintainers felt t

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, 22.07.13 19:19, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > On Mon, 22.07.13 18:43, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Lennart Poettering > >> wrote: > >> > On Fri, 19.07.13 20:22, M

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 20:52, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > This is not a valid argument. We cannot keep extending the core all the > time by adding more and more redundant components to them, just because > we believe this will cause APIs to be tested. No one is asking to extend the core. You

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 20:23, Adam Williamson a écrit : > Just before this one gets any worse: it was Nicolas Mailhot who started > talking about banks sending email for some reason, not Miloslav. Please do not attribute me what I didn't write. I didn't bring banks in the discussion. -- Nicola

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 20:40, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > I find it quite amazing that you actually use multiple different MUAs in > parallel. I mean, most people stick to one MUA usually, maybe two. But > you make it sound as if you need to access your emails through 5 or 10 > or so, so that

[perl-Gtk2-Ex-Dialogs] Perl 5.18 rebuild

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[perl-Test-POE-Server-TCP] Perl 5.18 rebuild

commit 0b4e9f3bf59b4936530f422dbcb4b17a24949b82 Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Jul 22 21:00:14 2013 +0200 Perl 5.18 rebuild perl-Test-POE-Server-TCP.spec |5 - 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Test-POE-Server-TCP.spec b/perl-Test-POE-Server-TCP.

[perl-Class-C3-Componentised] Perl 5.18 rebuild

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[perl-Gnome2] Perl 5.18 rebuild

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[perl-Regexp-Assemble-Compressed] Perl 5.18 rebuild

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Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, 22.07.13 16:04, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 04:09:32PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> the problem i see is when things like MTA and rsyslog are > >> removed from the defualt install many pakcg

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 19:28, Matthew Miller a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 06:53:24PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> What makes cron and smtpd work well together is that they both perform >> async background computing. And many cron messages are not "logs" >> they're >> notifications of an

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 02:54:41PM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 06:08:48PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > > [..] > > Have you considered a non-cryptographic solution, like a physical > > presence check to (temporarily) disable Secure Boot so that the > > kexec restriction no

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 03:13:28PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/22/2013 02:52 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > >On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 02:28:52PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > >>What better time to move epel out of Fedora since is really not > >>related to Fedora et all but

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

Once upon a time, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" said: > On 07/22/2013 03:38 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > >On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 02:28:52PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > Should be made less RHEL we want people to use Fedora not RHEL > >>>Candidly, we want people to use both. > >>We being y

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Enable kdump on secureboot machines

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 06:08:48PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: [..] > Have you considered a non-cryptographic solution, like a physical > presence check to (temporarily) disable Secure Boot so that the > kexec restriction no longer applies? This could be a fallback > option if the original plan

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Sun, 21.07.13 16:09, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote: > > Am 21.07.2013 16:05, schrieb Matthew Miller: > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 08:58:39AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> it. Yet the "something better" never materialized. When I had a disk go > >> wrong lately I was notified

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On 07/22/2013 03:38 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 02:28:52PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Should be made less RHEL we want people to use Fedora not RHEL Candidly, we want people to use both. We being you and the rest of the Red Hat's employees working in the projec

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, 22.07.13 18:50, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote: > > Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 18:29, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > > > If you want to centralize system configuration, rather then services, > > then go ahead and do, that, but actually centralize *the configuration*, > >

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Sun, 21.07.13 01:50, Oron Peled (o...@actcom.co.il) wrote: > On Friday 19 July 2013 15:46:25 Adam Williamson wrote: > > ... We don't set up any mail reader to read this mail out of the box. > > OK, I won't count mailx and mutt because we talk about different audience, > should we open bug-repo

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Sat, 20.07.13 18:05, Lars E. Pettersson (l...@homer.se) wrote: > On 07/15/2013 07:54 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >Well, we don't even install any MUA by default currently that would read > >local mail spools. Effectively, this means that currently the log output > >of cronjobs is more or l

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Jul 22, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > >> Even running the latest and greatest rawhide nothing desktop-side >> caught a very basic event like a failing disk! > > GNOME Disks is supposed to pop up a notification when SMART reports > pre-fail status for a disk, I think. I suppo

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, 2013-07-22 at 19:09 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > On Mon, 22.07.13 18:43, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Lennart Poettering > >> wrote: > >> >> Application that want to log s

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/22/2013 04:41 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> They chose to use a _downstream_ distribution. RHEL *is* Fedora, it's >> just a Fedora that's been hardened and held to a certain level of >> ABI/API compatibility. > Which is my

[Bug 987118] New: perl-5.18: File handles modified with binmode ':unix' leak

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=987118 Bug ID: 987118 Summary: perl-5.18: File handles modified with binmode ':unix' leak Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl Assignee: mmasl...@redhat.com

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm

Dne 22.7.2013 17:45, Adam Williamson napsal(a): On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:25 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Plasma-nm = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Plasma-nm Change owner(s): Jan Grulich , Lukáš Tinkl Replace current network applet in KDE with a new

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:47:12PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/22/2013 04:34 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > >This was actually not the rationale. The rationale was that it wasn't > >harmful to Fedora and so if individual maintainers felt that it was > >something that they wanted to

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 13:03:45 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > [the following has much trimming as I reply to specific points. > Hopefully I haven't over-trimmed] No worries. I will do trimming as well. > > > * Can override versions of software at lower tier > > > * Can overlap with software f

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

mån 2013-07-22 klockan 18:36 +0200 skrev Lennart Poettering: > Despite that I am pretty sure that most of the stuff we currently mail > (like the log output of cron jobs) simply makes no sense as mail, and > should much rather be treated exactly like all other log output. There's > nothing special

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 06:53:24PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > What makes cron and smtpd work well together is that they both perform > async background computing. And many cron messages are not "logs" they're > notifications of an event the cron is polling for, or submission of job > results.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 06:50:17PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Actually, with the various Fedora MUAs I've used, it ended up being easier > to configure them to use local MTA as relay If you are able to configure the MTA of your choice, then you will be able to install that MTA when you need it

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 22.07.13 18:43, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Lennart Poettering >> wrote: >> > On Fri, 19.07.13 20:22, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:16

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:38:54 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: I do agree that "Core" will cause some people to blink, but I realize it's just a label. We could call it "Base" or "Platform" Or "OS" or "bob", it doesn't bother me too much. > What's a Ring? > --- > * Rings give SIGs a way to re

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

- Original Message - > > SIG-centric > > --- > > * SIGs will form "bubbles" within this ring, possibly varying from > > packaging guidelines in order to meet needs. > > * Change management will also be SIG-focused. > > > > Fedora already largely works this way. We just need more of

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On 07/22/2013 02:06 PM, Remi Collet wrote: Le 22/07/2013 15:38, Matthew Miller a écrit : Wait, did you just say Fedora _Core_? Yes I did. But, this is not a return to the old Core + Extras, because the line is drawn based on _what_ and _how_ rather than on who works for what compa

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 06:36:41PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Let's not forget: this is not about removing software from the > distro. This is just about removing it from the default install, since > the current way it is set up by default it just eats up messages > silently, with not indic

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:12:16AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > Whenever I go to a tech meetup or talk to someone from a new startup > > company, their developers are inevitably using a different (usually > > proprietary) desktop OS, plus a non-Fedora distribution on their code. > > We're being l

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Sat, 20.07.13 09:00, Robert Nichols (rnicholsnos...@comcast.net) wrote: > On 07/15/2013 09:14 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >This feature is about not doign local mail delivery by default, by not > >installing any MTA. Instead you find the log output of cronjobs at the > >same place as you fi

[389-devel] please review: Ticket 47440 - Fix compilation warnings

https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/47440 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/47440/0001-Fix-compilation-warnings.patch https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/47440/0002-Use-right-prototype-for-auxprop_lookup-in-sasl-plugi.patch https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/474

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: >> Person with one package management system always knows whats >> installed. Person with 5 is never sure. > > I expect that for practical use, five might be available but users would > pick one. (Or in some cases two -- one for managing the b

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On Jul 22, 2013, at 7:38 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > Whenever I go to a tech meetup or talk to someone from a new startup > company, their developers are inevitably using a different (usually > proprietary) desktop OS, plus a non-Fedora distribution on their code. We're > being left behind and l

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:30:32PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > How do I package and ship an application that depends on two or more > stacks (e.g. uses a database, has a web frontend and perhaps also a > local GUI) if the stacks the application depends on can have > overlapping and therefore pro

Re: EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

On 07/22/2013 04:08 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/22/2013 11:58 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Our Fedora infrastructure team should be using Fedora it's an disgrace to the community for them not doing so. That's something else that this

Re: Webapps denying all outside access by default?

Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 15:40, Matthew Miller a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 01:16:30AM -0600, Ken Dreyer wrote: >> I do agree that the .rpmnew thing is annoying, and I wish there was a >> better way to handle that. > > I think in general, packaging webapps into RPM is of low value. I've tried

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, 22.07.13 18:43, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > On Fri, 19.07.13 20:22, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Matthew Miller > >> wrote: > >> > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 07:37

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > However, having the /usr/sbin/sendmail API available to applications > is valuable - it brings a significant system administration benefit of > centralizing the SMTP configuration. > Then the app packaging can have a dependency on sendmai

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 22.07.13 18:43, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Lennart Poettering >> wrote: >> >> Application that want to log shoud log. Applications that want to >> >> send e-mail should send e-ma

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:21:39AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I do agree that "Core" will cause some people to blink, but I realize > it's just a label. We could call it "Base" or "Platform" Or "OS" or > "bob", it doesn't bother me too much. Ah yes, Fedora Bob. Just in line with what Microsoft i

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 18:29, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > If you want to centralize system configuration, rather then services, > then go ahead and do, that, but actually centralize *the configuration*, > not the service. In particular, because a centralized client-side SMTP > service is a rea

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:40:14PM +0200, drago01 wrote: > > Whenever I go to a tech meetup or talk to someone from a new startup > > company, their developers are inevitably using a different (usually > > proprietary) desktop OS, plus a non-Fedora distribution on their code. > > We're being left b

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > This is a draft of the proposal I'm presenting at Flock, "An Architecture > for a More Agile Fedora" (). (The more high-level comment.) This essentially explicitly gives up on the idea of "Fedora" or, implicitly, "L

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 18:36, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > There's > nothing special really about cron that would make it so much better > suitable for sending out its logs per mail, rather then just log them. What makes cron and smtpd work well together is that they both perform async backgro

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/22/2013 11:34 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:27:08 -0400, Matthew Miller > wrote: >> >> Running two instances to get two sets of services has been the >> best practice since about 1995. :) > > When you have money. For

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