Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Florian Weimer
On 07/29/2013 08:38 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote: If application A does a stat or statvfs() call, sees 1GB of space left and then does a write, we could easily lose that race to any other application. If you want to reserve space, you need to grab the space yourself (always works with a large "write()

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Zdenek Kabelac
Dne 31.7.2013 10:39, Florian Weimer napsal(a): On 07/29/2013 08:38 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote: If application A does a stat or statvfs() call, sees 1GB of space left and then does a write, we could easily lose that race to any other application. If you want to reserve space, you need to grab the sp

Re: Obsoleting ConsoleKit once and for all

2013-07-31 Thread Johannes Lips
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > BOn Tue, 30.07.13 16:14, Dan Williams (d...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 23:03 +0200, Lars Seipel wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 04:28:55PM +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > > > thunar and pcmanfm are file mana

Failures of noarch package builds on ARM (Re: ARM Status)

2013-07-31 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 03:05:34PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > hi all, > > I have imported ARM into primary and enabled armv7hl in the arches to > be built. right now the KDE stack is not entirely built and brought in > due to https://bugzill

Re: Failures of noarch package builds on ARM (Re: ARM Status)

2013-07-31 Thread Dan Horák
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:25:45 +0100 "Daniel P. Berrange" wrote: > On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 03:05:34PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > hi all, > > > > I have imported ARM into primary and enabled armv7hl in the arches to > > be built. righ

Re: Failures of noarch package builds on ARM (Re: ARM Status)

2013-07-31 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:03:33PM +0200, Dan Horák wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:25:45 +0100 > "Daniel P. Berrange" wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 03:05:34PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > hi all, > > > > > > I have im

Re: F20 Self Contained Change: Ruby on Rails 4.0

2013-07-31 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > - Original Message - > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Ruby on Rails 4.0 = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ruby_on_Rails_4.0 > > > > Change owner(s): Vít Ondruch , Josef Stříbný > > , ruby-...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > Ruby on Rails 4.0

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Mike Snitzer
On Mon, Jul 29 2013 at 2:49pm -0400, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 02:38:23PM -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote: > > On 07/29/2013 10:18 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > >On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 08:01:23AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > >>On Jul 29, 2013, at 6:30 AM, "Daniel P. Ber

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Mike Snitzer
On Mon, Jul 29 2013 at 2:48pm -0400, Eric Sandeen wrote: > On 7/27/13 11:56 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Fri, 26.07.13 22:13, Miloslav Trmač (mitr at volny.cz) wrote: > > > >> Hello all, > >> with thin provisioning available, the total and free space values > >> reported by a filesystem

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Mike Snitzer
On Wed, Jul 31 2013 at 5:52am -0400, Zdenek Kabelac wrote: > Dne 31.7.2013 10:39, Florian Weimer napsal(a): > >On 07/29/2013 08:38 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote: > > > >>If application A does a stat or statvfs() call, sees 1GB of space left > >>and then does a write, we could easily lose that race to an

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Ric Wheeler
On 07/31/2013 10:32 AM, Mike Snitzer wrote: On Mon, Jul 29 2013 at 2:48pm -0400, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 7/27/13 11:56 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Fri, 26.07.13 22:13, Miloslav Trmač (mitr at volny.cz) wrote: Hello all, with thin provisioning available, the total and free space values

Re: Default libkrb5 ccache location

2013-07-31 Thread Karel Zak
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 07:40:39PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 26.07.13 11:01, Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > > I'm CCing Lennart and Kay on the discussion about this. Creating this > > symlink in the oddjob would be somewhat error-prone. I'd rather that > >

Re: [virt-tools-list] AppIndicator3 not appindicator

2013-07-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 21:05 +0200, poma wrote: > OK, Adam can you please clarify this[1] lib*indicator* thingies on > Fedora, so we can safely do: > yum remove lib\*indicator\* The only reason I ever packaged it was as part of an abortive attempt to build Unity. I never built anything against it.

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-31 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 30.07.2013 11:35, schrieb Ian Malone: > This is the price you pay for having updated versions of libraries > with security fixes and functionality, and it's why Linux > distributions use open source (and one reason non OS software is > tricky), provided the library API hasn't changed you just

Re: Rebuild of Boost dependees

2013-07-31 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2013/7/30 Jerry James : > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Petr Machata wrote: >> >> polybori5663365 SCONS: internal error in regular >> expression engine > > > I will try to figure this one out. This should be 32 bit only. http://bugs.python.org/issue17998 It should be possib

Re: [virt-tools-list] AppIndicator3 not appindicator

2013-07-31 Thread poma
On 30.07.2013 21:25, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 21:05 +0200, poma wrote: > >> OK, Adam can you please clarify this[1] lib*indicator* thingies on >> Fedora, so we can safely do: >> yum remove lib\*indicator\* > > The only reason I ever packaged it was as part of an abortive att

Re: Obsoleting ConsoleKit once and for all

2013-07-31 Thread Dan Mashal
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:02 AM, Johannes Lips wrote: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: >> >> BOn Tue, 30.07.13 16:14, Dan Williams (d...@redhat.com) wrote: >> >> > On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 23:03 +0200, Lars Seipel wrote: >> > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 04:28:55PM +0200,

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Mike Snitzer wrote: > But on the desktop the fedora > developers need to provide sane policy/defaults. Right. And the concern I have (other than a blatant bug), is the F20 feature for the installer to create thinp LVs; and to do that the installer needs to know wh

Fedora 17 End of Life

2013-07-31 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As of 30th July 2013, Fedora 17 has reached its end of life for updates and support. No further updates, including security updates, will be available for Fedora 17. A previous reminder was sent on July 3rd [0]. Fedora 18 will continue to receive upda

Fedora ARM Weekly Status Meeting 2013-07-31

2013-07-31 Thread Paul Whalen
Good day all, Please join us today (Wednesday, July 31th) at 4PM EDT (8PM UTC) for the Fedora ARM weekly status meeting in #fedora-meeting-1 on Freenode. On the agenda so far.. 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting 1) Problem packages 2) Kernel Status Update 3) Aarch64 - Status

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-07-31)

2013-07-31 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Today's FESCo meeting is *CANCELED* due to lack of quorum. FESCo members are advised to vote in the FESCo Trac. On 07/30/2013 08:11 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the > FESCo meeting Wednesday

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-07-31)

2013-07-31 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Today's FESCo meeting is *CANCELED* due to lack of quorum. FESCo > members are advised to vote in the FESCo Trac. I'd like to ask to vote for the Schedule ticket specifically as the next FESCo meeting is after curr

[perl-RRD-Simple] Handle filtering of provides from unversioned doc-dirs from F-20

2013-07-31 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 30a6140f196dcaab25ada4f9f3f59a3e6fb3ba6a Author: Paul Howarth Date: Wed Jul 31 18:44:59 2013 +0100 Handle filtering of provides from unversioned doc-dirs from F-20 - Handle filtering of provides from unversioned doc-dirs from F-20 - Don't need to remove empty directories

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 05:34:05PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Mon, 2013-07-29 at 23:06 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > Well, the point I am making is that it is wrong to ask userspace to > > handle this. Get the APIs right you expose to userspace. > > If user space assume it can use 'all

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Visible Cloud

2013-07-31 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 06:08:42PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 02:12:03PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > So, to put a number on it, does that mean _at_ the change freeze and > > > branch > > > which is "no earlier than 2013-08-06"? > > As things stand, yeah. I think

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 7/31/13 12:08 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Mike Snitzer > wrote: > >> But on the desktop the fedora developers need to provide sane >> policy/defaults. > > Right. And the concern I have (other than a blatant bug), is the F20 > feature for the installer to create t

Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2013-08-01 16:00 UTC)

2013-07-31 Thread James Antill
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at -MM-DD 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. rktime): 2013-08-01 09:00 Thu US/Pacific PDT 2013-08-01 12:00 Thu US/Eastern EDT 2013-08-01 1

Re: Obsoleting ConsoleKit once and for all

2013-07-31 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:28:55 +0200 Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Montag, den 29.07.2013, 16:37 +0200 schrieb Lennart Poettering: > > On Sun, 28.07.13 13:24, Christoph Wickert > > (christoph.wick...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > and by pcmamfm and thunar for > > > handling permissions of removable

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 31.07.2013 20:14, schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: > journald provides configuration knobs to exactly set the limits. > But forcing the admin to always configure this is something that > should be avoided, and reasonable values that work OK most of the > time should be used. Those defaults

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 08:18:52PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > you are aware how much 10% of 8 TB are? So why *not* keep more logs, at least while nothing else is using it? > you need at least a lot of more fuzzy logic > * not more than XXX MB > * or vary the percentage depending on the drive s

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Mike Snitzer
On Wed, Jul 31 2013 at 1:08pm -0400, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Mike Snitzer wrote: > > > But on the desktop the fedora > > developers need to provide sane policy/defaults. > > Right. And the concern I have (other than a blatant bug), is the F20 > feature for the in

How to support new boards?

2013-07-31 Thread Brendan Long
Is there a wiki page on supporting new boards? I have a BeagleBone Black that I'd prefer to use Fedora on, but the instructions on the wiki all seem to be about how to install pre-made images, not how to create new images. Is there instructions for how to do this anywhere? -- devel mailing list de

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Mike Snitzer
On Wed, Jul 31 2013 at 2:38pm -0400, Eric Sandeen wrote: > On 7/31/13 12:08 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Mike Snitzer > > wrote: > > > >> But on the desktop the fedora developers need to provide sane > >> policy/defaults. > > > > Right. And the concern I have

Re: Rebuild of Boost dependees

2013-07-31 Thread Jerry James
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade < paulo.cesar.pereira.de.andr...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2013/7/30 Jerry James : > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Petr Machata > wrote: > >> > >> polybori5663365 SCONS: internal error in regular > >> expression engi

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jul 31, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Mike Snitzer wrote: > Did you ever look > to see if CONFIG_DM_DEBUG_BLOCK_STACK_TRACING is enabled? It's not enabled in either the regular or debug kernels found in koji. Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Visible Cloud

2013-07-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 14:18 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 06:08:42PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 02:12:03PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > So, to put a number on it, does that mean _at_ the change freeze and > > > > branch > > > > which

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-07-31)

2013-07-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 13:44 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > - Original Message - > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Today's FESCo meeting is *CANCELED* due to lack of quorum. FESCo > > members are advised to vote in the FESCo Trac. > > I'd like to ask to vote fo

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Tom Coughlan
On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 11:52 +0200, Zdenek Kabelac wrote: ... > ThinP should be configured in a way that admin is able to extend pool to > honour promised space if really needed. It's not a good idea, to provision > 1EB > if you have at most just 1TB disk and then you expect you will have no > p

Re: How to support new boards?

2013-07-31 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Brendan Long wrote: > Is there a wiki page on supporting new boards? I have a BeagleBone Black > that I'd prefer to use Fedora on, but the instructions on the wiki all > seem to be about how to install pre-made images, not how to create new > images. Is there instr

Re: How to support new boards?

2013-07-31 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Brendan Long wrote: > Is there a wiki page on supporting new boards? I have a BeagleBone Black > that I'd prefer to use Fedora on, but the instructions on the wiki all > seem to be about how to install pre-made images, not how to create new > images. Is there ins

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-07-31 at 13:38 -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: > On 7/31/13 12:08 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Mike Snitzer > > wrote: > > > >> But on the desktop the fedora developers need to provide sane > >> policy/defaults. > > > > Right. And the concern I have (othe

Fedora ARM Weekly Status Meeting Minutes 2013-07-31

2013-07-31 Thread Paul Whalen
Thanks to those that were able to join us for the status meeting today, for those unable the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-07-31/fedora-meeting-1.2013-07-31-19.30.html Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1

Re: Does your application depend on, or report, free disk space? Re: F20 Self Contained Change: OS Installer Support for LVM Thin Provisioning

2013-07-31 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jul 31, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > > i.e. if you only want the efficient snapshots, a way to fully-provision > a "thinp" device. I'm still not sure if this is possible…? […] > > I guess I'm pretty nervous about offering actual thin provisioned > storage to "average" Fedora

Re: [Yum-devel] dnf-0..3.10

2013-07-31 Thread James Antill
On Mon, 2013-07-22 at 15:26 +0200, Ales Kozumplik wrote: > Hello, > > I've pushed new DNF version to F19 [1] and Rawhide today. There's only > little changes but the default value for repos' skip_if_unavailable has > changed and is enabled now. This is because recently an ailing Dropbox > repo

Re: Failures of noarch package builds on ARM (Re: ARM Status)

2013-07-31 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:25:45 +0100 "Daniel P. Berrange" wrote: > On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 03:05:34PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > hi all, > > > > I have imported ARM into primary and enab

Re: [Yum-devel] dnf-0..3.10

2013-07-31 Thread Ed Marshall
Also, consider cases where repository priorities are in use; a lower-priority repo that's unreachable may cause unexpected/damaging results for the administrator in cases where there's a package version mismatch. (This is actually a real case for me: in an environment I work in, a lower-priority r

Re: Rebuild of Boost dependees

2013-07-31 Thread Ed Marshall
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Petr Machata wrote: > fritzing5677658 no matching function for call to > 'qMax(double&, qreal)' > This popped up the last time Fritzing was built on ARM; I have a pending update for this package anyway, so I'll catch this at the same time. -- Ed

Re: Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2013-08-01 16:00 UTC)

2013-07-31 Thread पराग़
Hi, On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:29 AM, James Antill wrote: > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC > meeting Thursday at -MM-DD 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on > irc.freenode.net. > > Local time information (via. rktime): > > 2013-08-01 09:00 Thu US/Pacific

Re: [Yum-devel] dnf-0..3.10

2013-07-31 Thread Matthias Runge
On 01/08/13 02:36, Ed Marshall wrote: > Also, consider cases where repository priorities are in use; a > lower-priority repo that's unreachable may cause unexpected/damaging > results for the administrator in cases where there's a package version > mismatch. > regarding priorities/costs, I filed a