Funnily enough I had a discussion last week where it turned out the
disagreement wasn't so much a disagreement, but a different contextualisation
of the word 'support'.
And I think that will be the crux here too. To me the main part of 'supporting'
something here will be in handling our ABI story
The PRD avoids these questions by design. To often open source discussions end
up
being discussions about the merits of the means as opposed to the actual goals.
It should be a sobering notion that for all the years when the community
discussed
if the a successful desktop should be implemented i
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> It's incredible how many instances of invalid pre-release versioning we
> have. Those guidelines are very important because they avoid useless Epoch
> bumps, and thus it is all the more important to get them right the first
> time (because if you screw up, you usually cannot
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 22:11:19 +0100, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:
> > On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 19:39:38 +0100, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:
>
> >> _rawhide_ is not an *old branch* . And it never was.
> >>
> >> To have {?dist}.X in rawhide should be impossible.
> >>
> >> It breaks the laws of thermodynamics
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 18:38 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 06:21:34PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > > So, really, it's this related point that I'm concerned about now. We
> > > _need_
> > > to do these things in coordination, not just push a situation into F20
> > > wh
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 06:21:34PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > So, really, it's this related point that I'm concerned about now. We _need_
> > to do these things in coordination, not just push a situation into F20 where
> > we are telling our users to reboot everyday -- that's a pretty bad us
Am 02.11.2013 23:21, schrieb Matthias Clasen:
> Then change the way that updates to the released distribution are
> treated. As long as we don't constrain the constant stream of barely
> tested updates, we *are* pretty much forcing our users to restart their
> system frequently.
i am using updates
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 17:46 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> So, really, it's this related point that I'm concerned about now. We _need_
> to do these things in coordination, not just push a situation into F20 where
> we are telling our users to reboot everyday -- that's a pretty bad user
> experien
Le samedi 02 novembre 2013 à 22:35 +0100, Reindl Harald a écrit :
>
> Am 02.11.2013 22:29, schrieb Michael Scherer:
> > Ars technica summarize quite clearly the situation on this problem :
> > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/its-the-little-things-how-small-conundrums-make-man
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 08:02:51PM +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> update fails, you either get corrupted data and crashing application,
> or a hosed rpmdb. In a related point, we need to reduce the number of
> updates we present to the user in a massive way in a supposedly
> "stable" distro.
I thi
Dne 2.11.2013 22:13, Richard Hughes napsal(a):
On 2 November 2013 21:08, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
I thought applications shipping desktop files would be updated online,
and other packages would trigger offline updates. Has this plan changed?
Yes, everything requires an offline update now.
Ri
Am 02.11.2013 22:29, schrieb Michael Scherer:
> Ars technica summarize quite clearly the situation on this problem :
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/its-the-little-things-how-small-conundrums-make-many-hate-computers/
>
> And I do not even speak of the users who reboot du
* Michael Catanzaro:
> On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 20:45 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
>> I expect that the actual licensing terms will only cover end users for
>> their own "personal, non-commercial use" (the language used in the end
>> user licensing terms for existing platform codecs in Windows and
>>
Le samedi 02 novembre 2013 à 21:40 +0100, Reindl Harald a écrit :
>
> Am 02.11.2013 21:35, schrieb Richard Hughes:
> > On 2 November 2013 20:27, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> "lsof | grep DEL | grep /usr" shows any opened but deleted file
> >> which is the case after updfates while applications are r
Am 02.11.2013 22:13, schrieb Richard Hughes:
> On 2 November 2013 21:08, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>> I thought applications shipping desktop files would be updated online,
>> and other packages would trigger offline updates. Has this plan changed?
>
> Yes, everything requires an offline update
Le samedi 02 novembre 2013 à 21:20 +0200, مصعب الزعبي a écrit :
> First , I ask very important questions:
>
> Is Fedora a global community or not ??
It is a global community, and as such, need sometime to take steps for
the global community rather than for a local one.
While the situation with y
On 2 November 2013 21:08, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> I thought applications shipping desktop files would be updated online,
> and other packages would trigger offline updates. Has this plan changed?
Yes, everything requires an offline update now.
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> On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 19:39:38 +0100, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:
>> _rawhide_ is not an *old branch* . And it never was.
>>
>> To have {?dist}.X in rawhide should be impossible.
>>
>> It breaks the laws of thermodynamics!!
>
> It looks ugly, but it's harmless.
Harmless or not, but it breaks the
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 20:35 +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> Doesn't work with libreoffice, firefox or any application that loads
> plugins or modules.
I thought applications shipping desktop files would be updated online,
and other packages would trigger offline updates. Has this plan changed?
sig
On 01.11.2013 19:15, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz
> wrote:
>> On 01.11.2013 15:24, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Attached is the draft PRD for the Workstation working group. The
>>> proposal tries to be relatively high l
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 20:45 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> I expect that the actual licensing terms will only cover end users for
> their own "personal, non-commercial use" (the language used in the end
> user licensing terms for existing platform codecs in Windows and
> Flash). These terms will b
Am 02.11.2013 21:35, schrieb Richard Hughes:
> On 2 November 2013 20:27, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> "lsof | grep DEL | grep /usr" shows any opened but deleted file
>> which is the case after updfates while applications are running
>
> Doesn't work with libreoffice, firefox or any application that
On 2 November 2013 20:27, Reindl Harald wrote:
> "lsof | grep DEL | grep /usr" shows any opened but deleted file
> which is the case after updfates while applications are running
Doesn't work with libreoffice, firefox or any application that loads
plugins or modules.
> hence that is what i use o
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>Cisco has announced that they will be releasing an implementation of a
>BSD licensed H.264 (baseline profile) encoder and decoder, along with
>offering download of binaries of it under Cisco's licensing umbrella:
>http://blogs.cisco.com/collaboration/open-source-h-264-remove
Am 02.11.2013 21:02, schrieb Richard Hughes:
> On 2 November 2013 17:47, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> I'm not really excited about a lot of required rebooting, though -- I think
>> that might be worse than the disease. We should have most of the information
>> needed to determine if a reboot is real
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 19:39:38 +0100, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:
> Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> > Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:
> >> BAD use of %{dist} tag(75):
> >> ==
> >> afpfs-ng-0.8.1-13.fc21.3.src.rpm 13.fc21.3
> > [and many similar examples]
> >
> > NOTABUG:
> > https://fedor
On 2 November 2013 17:47, Matthew Miller wrote:
> I'm not really excited about a lot of required rebooting, though -- I think
> that might be worse than the disease. We should have most of the information
> needed to determine if a reboot is really necessary, shouldn't we? I hope we
> can move to
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 13:28 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 13:55:47 -0400,
>Matthias Clasen wrote:
> >On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 12:01 -0500, Jon wrote:
> >> Do the codes only apply to WebRTC consumers, or can these be used in
> >> other context?
> >> For example Gnome has
* Gregory Maxwell:
> The intention is that any parties capable of obtaining and running the
> provided binaries (and they intended to be maximally inclusive of
> which platforms they build for) can have a fully licensed
> implementation of H.264 at no cost.
I expect that the actual licensing term
Hi
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 13:55:47 -0400,
> Matthias Clasen wrote:
>
>> Why ? Is there any problem with using webm for this ?
>>
>
> Because some browser manufacturers are refusing to use vp8
>
Local screen recording has no connection
Hi
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Richard Hughes wrote:
> > Not update, we do all updates offline now.
>
> Ewww! Yuck!
>
Can you stop with these childish responses? As a KDE contributor, it is
understandable if you don't agree with GNOME decisions but you don't have
to
First , I ask very important questions:
Is Fedora a global community or not ??
Is Fedora working for Freedom or not ??
I need answers, truly.
Fedora is a global community, not company, published under free license for
fredom of computers.
Fedora has many many mirrors around the world, nobody c
On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 06:02:57 +
Frankie Onuonga wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I trust all is well.
>
> I believe this email will spark something so I will cc Kevin in it
> because of multiple reasons.
> I would like somethings to be clear from the word go.
>
> I am not too sure where to start with
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:
>> BAD use of %{dist} tag(75):
>> ==
>> afpfs-ng-0.8.1-13.fc21.3.src.rpm 13.fc21.3
> [and many similar examples]
>
> NOTABUG:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#Minor_release_bumps_for_old_branches
>
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 13:55:47 -0400,
Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 12:01 -0500, Jon wrote:
Do the codes only apply to WebRTC consumers, or can these be used in
other context?
For example Gnome has ctrl+alt+shift+R to screen-cast, which saves in
webM format.
Could that switch
Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:
> BAD use of %{dist} tag(75):
> ==
> afpfs-ng-0.8.1-13.fc21.3.src.rpm 13.fc21.3
[and many similar examples]
NOTABUG:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#Minor_release_bumps_for_old_branches
(the next paragraph right after the
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 12:01 -0500, Jon wrote:
> Do the codes only apply to WebRTC consumers, or can these be used in
> other context?
> For example Gnome has ctrl+alt+shift+R to screen-cast, which saves in
> webM format.
> Could that switch to whatever h.264 format with Cisco bits?
Why ? Is there
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 01:34:40PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> The logic I recently implemented for gnome-software 3.12 in F21 is to
> check for new updates once per day, and download updates when they are
> important (e.g. security updates), or when it has been a week since the
> last time we
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 18:33 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 11:01 +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > Sure. GNOME is a complete desktop, not a collection of packages
> > designed to be replaced.
> Personally, I see little benefit in prohibiting users from removing core
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> Cisco has announced that they will be releasing an implementation of a
> BSD licensed H.264 (baseline profile) encoder and decoder, along with
> offering download of binaries of it under Cisco's licensing umbrella:
> http://blogs.cisco.com/collaboration/open-source-h-264-re
On 02.11.2013 18:18, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Hi,
Sandro Mani wrote:
%define do_build() \
mkdir build_win%{1}_%{2}; \
(cd build_win%{1}_%{2}; \
%{mingw%{1}_qmake_%{2}} 'PREFIX=%{mingw%{1}_prefix}'
'TARGET=quazip-%{2}' ../libquazip; \
%{mingw%{1}_make} %{?_smp_mflags}; \
)\
%{nil}
Ewww!
Sorry to r
Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> Another important point is that future versions of Firefox will download
> and "install" (I'm not quite sure where) the binary from Cisco's
> website, unless some about:config setting is disabled. I imagine this
> could possibly mean H.264 will work only in Firefox but no
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 18:22 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 02.11.2013 18:16, schrieb Michael Catanzaro:
> > The other change I want is for PackageKit to download updates weekly by
> > default. Currently updates come daily, but daily offline updates would
> > be completely absurd. All we have to d
Yes HTTPS works, I think add https://dl.fedoraproject.org to mirrorlist will
solve this problem.
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Am 02.11.2013 18:16, schrieb Michael Catanzaro:
> The other change I want is for PackageKit to download updates weekly by
> default. Currently updates come daily, but daily offline updates would
> be completely absurd. All we have to do to support this is to change the
> default value of one gsett
Hi,
Sandro Mani wrote:
> %define do_build() \
> mkdir build_win%{1}_%{2}; \
> (cd build_win%{1}_%{2}; \
> %{mingw%{1}_qmake_%{2}} 'PREFIX=%{mingw%{1}_prefix}'
> 'TARGET=quazip-%{2}' ../libquazip; \
> %{mingw%{1}_make} %{?_smp_mflags}; \
> )\
> %{nil}
Ewww!
Sorry to rain on your parade, but are y
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> The intention is that any parties capable of obtaining and running the
> provided binaries[...] can have a fully licensed
> implementation of H.264 at no cost.
IANAL, but I am sure that this will not be included in any official
Fedora repos
On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 12:05 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> Richard, who is "we" in this context? And what is "offline"?
we = GNOME, via systemd
offline = "Install Updates & Restart" [1]. Your computer shuts down,
installs updates, shuts down again, and then boots back to GDM. This has
been around
Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Something that doesn't seem specified here is any sort of a design style
> or guide for how apps used in the Workstation should generally be built
> and function. Is there intended to be that sort of standard?
Indeed, the document carefully eschews this question, which go
From my understanding, they can be used in any context.
It would probably be interesting if cisco can be convinced to make a
gstreamer plugin that is than automatically downloaded - that will
have a wide benefit.
(they have stated that they are willing to support as many platforms
as possible. Ma
hi,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#Using_the_.25.7B.3Fdist.7D_Tag
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:DistTag
BAD use of %{dist} tag(75):
==
afpfs-ng-0.8.1-13.fc21.3.src.rpm 13.fc21.3
aprsd-2.2.5-15.6.fc19.5.src.rpm 15.6.fc19.5
bsfilter-1.0.18
Another important point is that future versions of Firefox will download
and "install" (I'm not quite sure where) the binary from Cisco's
website, unless some about:config setting is disabled. I imagine this
could possibly mean H.264 will work only in Firefox but not other
browsers, which would suc
Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Markus Mayer wrote:
>> Is there a reaseon why 'web development tools' are listed seperatly? What
>> about C/C++ development tools? Are they just 2nd grade tools?
>
> No, but they're already implicitly included considering every possible
> DE u
Do the codes only apply to WebRTC consumers, or can these be used in
other context?
For example Gnome has ctrl+alt+shift+R to screen-cast, which saves in
webM format.
Could that switch to whatever h.264 format with Cisco bits?
Maybe get the lawyers to look at this?
-Jon Disnard
irc: masta
fas:
On 11/2/13 11:48 AM, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote:
> On 11/02/2013 12:46 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote:
>> On 11/2/13 10:50 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>> مصعب الزعبي wrote:
Then do new rule to write "proxies" instead of proxy, at Fedora packaging
guidlines.
>>>
>>> Renaming packages, censoring descri
On 11/02/2013 12:46 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> On 11/2/13 10:50 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> مصعب الزعبي wrote:
>>> Then do new rule to write "proxies" instead of proxy, at Fedora packaging
>>> guidlines.
>>
>> Renaming packages, censoring descriptions etc. in Fedora at the whims of
>> governments (o
On 11/2/13 10:50 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> مصعب الزعبي wrote:
>> Then do new rule to write "proxies" instead of proxy, at Fedora packaging
>> guidlines.
>
> Renaming packages, censoring descriptions etc. in Fedora at the whims of
> governments (of countries Fedora isn't supposed to be exported to
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 08:11:48 -0700,
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
I personally believe it would probably be helpful to the discussion if
Fedora is able to reach a (preliminary?) decision on if OpenH264 (as
described) will be able to be used by Fedora systems (e.g. by having
something analogous to
Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller wrote:
> Attached is the draft PRD for the Workstation working group.
Quoting from the draft:
> Ability to play 3D games from commercial publishers distributing games for
> Linux
and later:
> 3rd party software
> Fedora Workstation will work with partners and ISV
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 03:35:18PM +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > right-click->update in the app menu list, and other fun stuff like that?
> Not update, we do all updates offline now.
Richard, who is "we" in this context? And what is "offline"?
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مصعب الزعبي wrote:
> Also this law is under restudy, Due to War in Syria.
Wasn't Syria actually READDED to the list of banned countries due to the
civil war?
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مصعب الزعبي wrote:
> Then do new rule to write "proxies" instead of proxy, at Fedora packaging
> guidlines.
Renaming packages, censoring descriptions etc. in Fedora at the whims of
governments (of countries Fedora isn't supposed to be exported to in the
first place) is not going to happen. Sorry
Richard Hughes wrote:
> Not update, we do all updates offline now.
Ewww! Yuck!
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On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 16:17 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 04:40 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> >> That's a very lame excuse for sticking with an awful desktop environment
> >> as the default just because it is the status quo.
> >
> > Not excellent...pl
Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 04:40 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> > And I would argue that having the user interface swing wildly in design
>> > & implementation based on "the current composition of an elected board
>> > that is refreshed in part every si
Greetings.
Cisco has announced that they will be releasing an implementation of a
BSD licensed H.264 (baseline profile) encoder and decoder, along with
offering download of binaries of it under Cisco's licensing umbrella:
http://blogs.cisco.com/collaboration/open-source-h-264-removes-barriers-webr
Hi Bill,
It is a good question. It does seem a bit more detailed than the level I tried
to put this document on, so
maybe should a style guide would be part of second stage working group output.
But what probably would belong in this
document would be a paragraph saying we intend to come up with
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bwm-ng-0.6
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 5:22 AM, drago01 wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Christopher wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:38 AM, drago01 wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
On 10/30/2013 10:27 AM, Alec Leamas wrote:
> On 2013-10-30 11:23, Reindl Haral
I'm mentioning it just because nobody has so far. Elastic Search[1]
which is also lucene-based, was designed from the very beginning to be
distributed (in contrast to solr). The product hasn't reached the symbolic
1.0 yet but is production-ready (for instance github[2] uses it).
Dridi
[1] http://
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Christopher wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:38 AM, drago01 wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> On 10/30/2013 10:27 AM, Alec Leamas wrote:
On 2013-10-30 11:23, Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 30.10.2013 11:20, schrieb Alec Leama
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