Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
drago01 wrote: >On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:16 AM, Adam Williamson >wrote: >> On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 16:56 -0500, Brian J. Murrell wrote: >> >>> > As a side note, it also needs to be discussed how such a key >feature of >>> > the bluetooth stack could go unnoticed through QA, and how to >avoid thi

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
Richard Hughes wrote: >On 24 January 2014 10:03, Mathieu Bridon >wrote: >> Rather than during the initial setup thing, why not start it at first >> boot, much earlier? > >We need to wait until the user has setup a network connection. > >> Another option would be to have it done as the last step o

Re: SELinux RPM scriplet issue annoucement

2014-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
Lukas Zapletal wrote: >> that could be easier solved by force anybody to use "easy-karma" >instead the >> webinterface because that only asks for the current installed >packages > >Oh, I did not know fedora-easy-karma. We should advertise with the >update tickets on Bodhi perhaps. > >Actually this

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Josh Stone
On 01/24/2014 05:27 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jan 24, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Josh Stone wrote: >> This concerns me especially in the case of security updates -- for >> example, a vulnerable setuid-root binary should be locked up tight! > > The organization question is valid. But sudo or root could

Re: Source string contextualization

2014-01-24 Thread Ankit Patel
On 01/24/2014 10:14 PM, Miloslav Trma wrote: On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:07 PM, K�vin Raymond mailto:shai...@fedoraproject.org>> wrote: On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Nilamdyuti Goswami mailto:ngosw...@redhat.com>> wrote: > To solve this issue, we have formed a Fedora SIG named "Sour

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 January 2014 20:13, drago01 wrote: >> Am 24.01.2014 19:31, schrieb Reindl Harald: >>and try the however named option, keep >> in mind some people own only one machine and can't google for help > > I doubt that. Most people do have multiple ways to access the internet > (multiple computers,

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 24, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Josh Stone wrote: > On 01/24/2014 01:38 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:58 AM, Sergio Pascual >> There is a plugin yum-plugin-fs-snapshot, but it requires better >>> documentation and system integration. >> >> Well I'd go a step further and ask some

[Test-Announce] 2014-01-27 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2014-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
# Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting # Date: 2014-01-27 # Time: 16:00 UTC (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto) # Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net Greetings testers! It's meeting time again on Monday! It's been an interesting week in Fedoraland, and we might have som

Re: .spec file Source0 magic for github release source tarballs?

2014-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 08:13 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >> Interesting... However, if you're working with an actual release > >> tag, I would think Peter's method would be much better. > > > > It is a good idea to use a specific commit as your source, not a > > tag, because the tag can be s

Re: I want to turn on a part of the kernel to make SELinux checking more stringent.

2014-01-24 Thread Alek Paunov
On 24.01.2014 21:20, Daniel J Walsh wrote: No, we pretty much allow executable stack/memory from user processes now and block it for most daemons, except for those that need it. My understanding of this change is that the kernel was not doing complete checking, but most apps at this point do t

Re: self introduction - hoping to be a packager

2014-01-24 Thread Christopher Meng
I hope when receiving emails from you we can see your real name also. Currently only shows nonamedotc. No name? :) Thanks. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 00:21:13 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > More lessons to learn: > > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-23627 > > Karma:17 > > Stable karma: 16 (!) > > > > It has reached the karma threshold 16 after ~5 days. > > And those have not been all tes

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.01.2014 23:46, schrieb Michael Schwendt: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:35:24 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >> Looking at the number of people who respond to the qa list at times.. I am >> going to say there are probably 6-10 active testers during non-release >> times. It comes and it goe

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 15:35 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > Looking at the number of people who respond to the qa list at times.. > I am going to say there are probably 6-10 active testers during > non-release times. It comes and it goes, but that is about the number > who seem active at l

Re: Announce: fedostree/rpm-ostree v2014.3

2014-01-24 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 18:52 +0100, drago01 wrote: > From the website: > > "Although yum is installed, it will operate in read-only mode. Do not > attempt to use it at the moment. See " > > Seems like the part talking about it is somehow missing i.e see what? ;) I updated the text a bit on http:/

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 22:36 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Good point. Raises the question why an update that links so many bugzilla > tickets can be marked stable automatically after a +3, which may be even > about a single bz ticket. Because that's how the maintainer configured it. (It is als

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 22:36 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > That's why I think there's reason to be very careful and sometimes even > prefer a +0 (with a comment) over a very early over-ambitious +1. > > And guess what happens in non-critpath updates after 7 days and _no_ > feedback. Packagers p

Re: self introduction - hoping to be a packager

2014-01-24 Thread nonamedotc
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 22:39:20 +0100 From: Haïkel Guémar To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: self introduction - hoping to be a packager Message-ID: <52e2dd88.6090...@fedoraproject.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Le 24/01/2014 21:19, Michael

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.01.2014 23:46, schrieb Michael Schwendt: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:35:24 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >> Looking at the number of people who respond to the qa list at times.. I am >> going to say there are probably 6-10 active testers during non-release >> times. It comes and it goes

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Josh Stone
On 01/24/2014 01:38 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:58 AM, Sergio Pascual > There is a plugin yum-plugin-fs-snapshot, but it requires better >> documentation and system integration. > > Well I'd go a step further and ask some more basic questions how how > many snapshots should be

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Richard Hughes (hughsi...@gmail.com) said: >> I'm after some advice / ideas. When you install Fedora 20/21 and then >> launch gnome-software it has to go and download some metadata before >> it can show anything. This is a pretty bad first

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:27 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > It's not pretending anything if you question what I suggest you get input > from the arm team they are the once that most recently went through all the > packages right. > > Let's hear from them how well much time they spent

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:35:24 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > Looking at the number of people who respond to the qa list at times.. I am > going to say there are probably 6-10 active testers during non-release > times. It comes and it goes, but that is about the number who seem active > at lea

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 24 January 2014 14:36, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:39:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_path_package#Actions > > > > > > | Packages within the critical path are required to perform the > > > | most fundamental actions on a s

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 09:41:13 -0800 > Adam Williamson wrote: > >> AIUI there is/was a long-term plan to integrate this as core >> functionality using btrfs snapshots - in fact that was one of the >> major attractions of the idea of switching to

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Dominick Grift
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 22:54 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 22:17:20 +0100, Dominick Grift wrote: > > > > > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-0806/selinux-policy-3.12.1-116.fc20 > > > > > > Because you would need to run RPM to notice it, > > Or Yum

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 22:17:20 +0100, Dominick Grift wrote: > > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-0806/selinux-policy-3.12.1-116.fc20 > > > Because you would need to run RPM to notice it, Or Yum, DNF, Yumex, PackageKit, all tools on top of RPM would run into the scriptle

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Hughes (hughsi...@gmail.com) said: > I'm after some advice / ideas. When you install Fedora 20/21 and then > launch gnome-software it has to go and download some metadata before > it can show anything. This is a pretty bad first experience, > considering subsequent runs of gnome-software j

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:01:09 + Richard Hughes escribió: > Hi all, > > I'm after some advice / ideas. When you install Fedora 20/21 and then > launch gnome-software it has to go and download some metadata before > it can show anything. This is a p

Re: self introduction - hoping to be a packager

2014-01-24 Thread Haïkel Guémar
Le 24/01/2014 21:19, Michael Schwendt a écrit : Many sponsors will also ask for filling in the full _real_ name in the Fedora Account System, bugzilla, and to use it also when posting to Fedora mailing-lists. +1, I haven't checked his FAS yet since i don't have any bandwith to sponsor him at

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 24, 2014, at 2:58 AM, Sergio Pascual wrote: > 2014/1/24 Ralf Corsepius > > Certainly, downgrading installations which already upgraded to faulty > packages would not work. > > Ralf > > The situation (a broken system that cannot be upgraded) could be mitigated a > little bit by usin

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:39:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_path_package#Actions > > > > | Packages within the critical path are required to perform the > > | most fundamental actions on a system. Those actions include: > > | > > | [...] > > | get

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Dominick Grift
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 21:38 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:06:29 +0100, Dominick Grift wrote: > > > Agreed, The testers did not fail. Their issues were solved. > > That doesn't match what one can read here: > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-080

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 21:17 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 11:14:50 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > It's not at all > > obvious to anyone that you ought to test update/install of another > > package in order to validate an update to selinux-policy-targeted . > > Hell, I d

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:06:29 +0100, Dominick Grift wrote: > Agreed, The testers did not fail. Their issues were solved. That doesn't match what one can read here: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-0806/selinux-policy-3.12.1-116.fc20 > They could not have found this issue in

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.01.2014 21:13, schrieb drago01: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 24.01.2014 19:31, schrieb Reindl Harald: >>> >>> Am 24.01.2014 19:18, schrieb drago01: On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Fabian Deutsch wrote: > Am Freitag, den 24.01.2014, 00:55 +0

Re: self introduction - hoping to be a packager

2014-01-24 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:13:37 +0100, H. Guémar wrote: > Hi, > > thank you for taking the time to join us. > If you want to speed things up, I'd suggest that you start doing informal > reviews of other pending reviews and when you're done, link them to your > review. > Many sponsors will ask you th

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 11:14:50 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > It's not at all > obvious to anyone that you ought to test update/install of another > package in order to validate an update to selinux-policy-targeted . > Hell, I don't do that. Amazing. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 24.01.2014 19:31, schrieb Reindl Harald: >> >> Am 24.01.2014 19:18, schrieb drago01: >>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Fabian Deutsch >>> wrote: Am Freitag, den 24.01.2014, 00:55 +0100 schrieb Kevin Kofler: > it is time t

Re: self introduction - hoping to be a packager

2014-01-24 Thread H . Guémar
Hi, thank you for taking the time to join us. If you want to speed things up, I'd suggest that you start doing informal reviews of other pending reviews and when you're done, link them to your review. Many sponsors will ask you that to assess your packaging knowledge anyway, just do it and do it c

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Dominick Grift
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 11:14 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 19:26 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > I think that's being unnecessarily harsh on the testers. It's not at all > obvious to anyone that you ought to test update/install of another > package in order to validate a

self introduction - hoping to be a packager

2014-01-24 Thread nonamedotc
Hello All, I would like to join the packagers group in Fedora. I have been participating in QA activities for a year or two now and would like to contribute to maintaining packages as well. As a first step, I have attempted to pacakge Clustal Omega, a multiple sequence alignment tool, and su

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Heiko Adams
Am Freitag, den 24.01.2014, 19:18 +0100 schrieb drago01: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Fabian Deutsch wrote: > > Am Freitag, den 24.01.2014, 00:55 +0100 schrieb Kevin Kofler: > >> it is time to analyze the fallout from the following catastrophic > >> Fedora 20 > >> regression: > >> https://bu

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 09:58 -0700, Eric Smith wrote: > On Jan 23, 2014 2:33 PM, "Kevin Fenzi" wrote: > > > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:03:02 +0100 > > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > I'm still undecided if I overall like Fedora.next or fear it. But > more > > > and more I tend to the latter position

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 01:53:10PM -0500, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > > I mean, don't we have a general "save boot" / "emergency boot" entry - > > we could add enforcing=0 there. > I like this idea. Then the solution would have been "reboot into > rescue mode and update your system". > Let's do t

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.01.2014 20:22, schrieb Daniel J Walsh: > On 01/24/2014 01:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 24.01.2014 19:31, schrieb Reindl Harald: >>> >>> Am 24.01.2014 19:18, schrieb drago01: On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Fabian Deutsch wrote: > Am Freitag, den 24.01.2014, 00:55 +0100 sc

[perl-Exception-Base/epel7] Update to 0.25

2014-01-24 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes: 606c6ff... Update to 0.25 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mail

Upgrade ICU to 52.1 with soname bump

2014-01-24 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi, If time permits I'd like to do an upgrade of ICU to 52.1 next week, which leads to the usual soname bump. As quite a lot of packages are affected by this, is anyone objecting and can point out a better time for the upgrade? If not, I'll probably announce it on Monday and do the upgrade on Wed

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/24/2014 01:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 24.01.2014 19:31, schrieb Reindl Harald: >> >> Am 24.01.2014 19:18, schrieb drago01: >>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Fabian Deutsch >>> wrote: Am Freitag, den 24.01.2014, 00:55 +0100 s

Re: I want to turn on a part of the kernel to make SELinux checking more stringent.

2014-01-24 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/24/2014 02:11 PM, Björn Persson wrote: > Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> Here is the request from upstream to enable this feature in Rawhide, with >> an explanation of what it does. >> >>> "Android is starting to apply execmem and friends to the non-Da

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-24 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/23/2014 03:26 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: I don't think we need to drop any packages, unless keeping that package is actually making our life harder in a significant way. What I think it's makes a lot of sense doing is -hiding- the applications that are abandonware. Users that really want s

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 19:26 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > * That update made it out to the stable updates! In other words, the > > draconian Update Policies that were enacted in a vain attempt to prevent > > such issues from happening utterly failed at catching this bug. > > Those policies

EPEL pixel macro on 7 ppc64

2014-01-24 Thread Orion Poplawski
Apparently gcc on EPEL7 pcc64 defines a macro named "pixel". This breaks imake in nx-libs: In file included from ../../../../../config/cf/Imake.tmpl:2158:0, from Imakefile.c:36: ../../../../../config/cf/X11.tmpl:1704:0: warning: "UseInstalledOnCrossCompile" is not defined [-Wunde

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-24 Thread Tim Flink
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 09:58:07 -0700 Eric Smith wrote: > On Jan 23, 2014 2:33 PM, "Kevin Fenzi" wrote: > > > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:03:02 +0100 > > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > I'm still undecided if I overall like Fedora.next or fear it. But > > > more and more I tend to the latter position

Re: I want to turn on a part of the kernel to make SELinux checking more stringent.

2014-01-24 Thread Björn Persson
Daniel J Walsh wrote: >Here is the request from upstream to enable this feature in Rawhide, >with an explanation of what it does. > >> "Android is starting to apply execmem and friends to the non-Dalvik >> components (i.e. non-Java components, primarily the native system >> daemons). As part of th

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-24 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/23/2014 06:12 PM, Lars Seipel wrote: > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 05:07:16PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: >> Also possibly correct. However, that doesn't preclude the repos >> as we know them today from still existing, with still the same >> quality. >

[perl-Test-CPAN-Meta-YAML] Created tag perl-Test-CPAN-Meta-YAML-0.22-1.el7

2014-01-24 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-CPAN-Meta-YAML-0.22-1.el7' was created pointing to: 5e8a0e9... Update to 0.22 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/pe

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Fabian Deutsch wrote: >> How would that help? If a user knows enough about the issue to try it >> he/she could just switch to permissive mode. > > I mean, don't we have a general "save boot" / "emergency boot" entry - > we could add enforcing=0 there. I like this

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-24 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/23/2014 06:13 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 02:16:23PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >> Read all the above sequentially. My point is that although you >> are technically correct that no WG has proposed doing away with >> the

Broken dependencies: mojomojo

2014-01-24 Thread buildsys
mojomojo has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: mojomojo-1.10-1.fc20.noarch requires perl(HTML::FormFu::Element::reCAPTCHA) On i386: mojomojo-1.10-1.fc20.noarch requires perl(HTML::FormFu::Element::reCAPTCHA) On armhfp: mojomojo-1.10-1.fc20.noarch requir

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Fabian Deutsch
Am Freitag, den 24.01.2014, 19:18 +0100 schrieb drago01: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Fabian Deutsch wrote: > > Am Freitag, den 24.01.2014, 00:55 +0100 schrieb Kevin Kofler: > >> it is time to analyze the fallout from the following catastrophic > >> Fedora 20 > >> regression: > >> https://bu

Re: I want to turn on a part of the kernel to make SELinux checking more stringent.

2014-01-24 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Here is the request from upstream to enable this feature in Rawhide, with an > explanation of what it does. > >> "Android is starting to apply execmem and friends to the non-Dalvik >> compo

Broken dependencies: perl-Language-Expr

2014-01-24 Thread buildsys
perl-Language-Expr has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-Language-Expr-0.19-4.fc19.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.2) On i386: perl-Language-Expr-0.19-4.fc19.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.2) On armhfp: perl-Language-Expr-0.19-4.

Broken dependencies: perl-qpid_proton

2014-01-24 Thread buildsys
perl-qpid_proton has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-qpid_proton-0.6-1.fc21.x86_64 requires perl(qpid_proton) perl-qpid_proton-0.6-1.fc21.x86_64 requires perl(qpid::proton::ExceptionHandling) On i386: perl-qpid_proton-0.6-1.fc21.i686 requires perl

Broken dependencies: perl-Catalyst-Controller-HTML-FormFu

2014-01-24 Thread buildsys
perl-Catalyst-Controller-HTML-FormFu has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-Catalyst-Controller-HTML-FormFu-0.09004-4.fc20.noarch requires perl(HTML::FormFu::MultiForm) On i386: perl-Catalyst-Controller-HTML-FormFu-0.09004-4.fc20.noarch requires perl(HTML:

[perl-Test-CPAN-Meta-JSON/epel7] (2 commits) ...Update to 0.15

2014-01-24 Thread Paul Howarth
Summary of changes: df54833... Perl 5.18 rebuild (*) afa88ff... Update to 0.15 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org h

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.01.2014 19:31, schrieb Reindl Harald: > > Am 24.01.2014 19:18, schrieb drago01: >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Fabian Deutsch >> wrote: >>> Am Freitag, den 24.01.2014, 00:55 +0100 schrieb Kevin Kofler: it is time to analyze the fallout from the following catastrophic Fedor

[perl-Test-YAML-Valid] Created tag perl-Test-YAML-Valid-0.04-10.el7

2014-01-24 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-YAML-Valid-0.04-10.el7' was created pointing to: 4417f69... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_19_Mass -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://ad

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.01.2014 19:18, schrieb drago01: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Fabian Deutsch wrote: >> Am Freitag, den 24.01.2014, 00:55 +0100 schrieb Kevin Kofler: >>> it is time to analyze the fallout from the following catastrophic >>> Fedora 20 >>> regression: >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:55:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > it is time to analyze the fallout from the following catastrophic Fedora 20 > regression: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1054350 > "rpm scriptlets are exiting with status 127" > * We are losing users to Ubuntu because of th

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 09:41:13 -0800 Adam Williamson wrote: > AIUI there is/was a long-term plan to integrate this as core > functionality using btrfs snapshots - in fact that was one of the > major attractions of the idea of switching to btrfs-by-default in the > first place. I believe those invol

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Fabian Deutsch wrote: > Am Freitag, den 24.01.2014, 00:55 +0100 schrieb Kevin Kofler: >> it is time to analyze the fallout from the following catastrophic >> Fedora 20 >> regression: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1054350 >> "rpm scriptlets are exit

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Fabian Deutsch
Am Freitag, den 24.01.2014, 00:55 +0100 schrieb Kevin Kofler: > it is time to analyze the fallout from the following catastrophic > Fedora 20 > regression: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1054350 > "rpm scriptlets are exiting with status 127" Hey, can't we add a default boot entry

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-24 Thread Paolo Bonzini
Il 24/01/2014 14:05, David Sommerseth ha scritto: > FWIW, the HFP/HSP support is missing in PulseAudio, not in BlueZ for F20. Can you please shed some more light on this. From what I could grasp out of the freedesktop bug, it was a bluez bug. And PulseAudio says bluez4 is needed to get the han

Re: Announce: fedostree/rpm-ostree v2014.3

2014-01-24 Thread drago01
From the website: "Although yum is installed, it will operate in read-only mode. Do not attempt to use it at the moment. See " Seems like the part talking about it is somehow missing i.e see what? ;) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/list

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-24 Thread Eric Smith
On Jan 24, 2014 10:29 AM, "Kevin Fenzi" wrote: > The things they are working on have been known for years, but our 6 > month release cycle with no hope of being able to work on tooling > hasn't allowed them to do so. Thanks for the clarification. I'm certainly on board with lengthening a release

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-24 Thread David Sommerseth
On 24/01/14 18:30, Dan Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 12:21 +0100, David Sommerseth wrote: >> On 23/01/14 21:19, Dan Williams wrote: >>> On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 14:17 -0600, Dan Williams wrote: On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 20:04 +0100, David Sommerseth wrote: > On 23/01/14 19:58, Frank Mur

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 13:36 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > TBH this has always been the one of Kevin's Big Book Of Update Policy > > Complaints I find the most baffling. If we know you managed to screw up > > your update once, why exactly would we just trust you to get it r

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 10:58 +0100, Sergio Pascual wrote: > 2014/1/24 Ralf Corsepius > > Certainly, downgrading installations which already upgraded to > faulty packages would not work. > > Ralf > > > > The situation (a broken system that cannot

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-24 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 09:58:07 -0700 Eric Smith wrote: > On Jan 23, 2014 2:33 PM, "Kevin Fenzi" wrote: > > This is not practical. Lots of people are thinking about a > > fedora.next, qa folks are coding away, lots of people who normally > > would be working on the next release are not. If we tell

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-24 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 12:21 +0100, David Sommerseth wrote: > On 23/01/14 21:19, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 14:17 -0600, Dan Williams wrote: > >> On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 20:04 +0100, David Sommerseth wrote: > >>> On 23/01/14 19:58, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:5

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-01-24 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 08:18:16 +, "\"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson\"" wrote: We should be able to calculate the number of components we as in distribution actually can manage. We just need to agree on average contribute time which could be 2.5 hours a day 5 days of the week or something and

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 05:50:02PM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > > > In this instance, when run with background attribues, PackageKit uses > > idle bandwidth and with a lower priority than if the transaction was a > > foreground task. > >

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-24 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jan 24, 2014, at 4:47 AM, David Sommerseth wrote: > > > On 23/01/14 23:16, Chris Murphy wrote:> By all means, software does and > needs to evolve, and it can break. I > > have full understanding for this. But not alerting that basic > >

Re: perl-Readonly in EL 7

2014-01-24 Thread Paul Howarth
Hi Ken, On 24/01/14 16:29, Ken Dreyer wrote: Hi folks, RHEL 7 does not ship perl-Readonly. This package is a dependency for perl-boolean, which is a dependency for perl-MongoDB, so I'd like to have it in EPEL 7. Would one of you mind branching and building it for EPEL 7? Both perl-Readonly a

[perl-Test-Distribution] Created tag perl-Test-Distribution-2.00-14.el7

2014-01-24 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Test-Distribution-2.00-14.el7' was created pointing to: 2f42a73... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_19_Mass -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https:/

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-24 Thread Eric Smith
On Jan 23, 2014 2:33 PM, "Kevin Fenzi" wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:03:02 +0100 > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > I'm still undecided if I overall like Fedora.next or fear it. But more > > and more I tend to the latter position and wonder if it might be wise > > to slow things down: Do one more

Re: SELinux RPM scriplet issue annoucement

2014-01-24 Thread Lukas Zapletal
> that could be easier solved by force anybody to use "easy-karma" instead the > webinterface because that only asks for the current installed packages Oh, I did not know fedora-easy-karma. We should advertise with the update tickets on Bodhi perhaps. Actually this could improve things. -- Late

Re: RFC - Downgrade BlueZ to v4.101 in Fedora 20

2014-01-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 24, 2014, at 4:47 AM, David Sommerseth wrote: > On 23/01/14 23:16, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> As far as I know there isn't an explicit test case or release >> criteria that covers this functionality, or it would have been discovered. >> Why >> it's not a test case is a valid question, bu

Re: .spec file Source0 magic for github release source tarballs?

2014-01-24 Thread Alec Leamas
Agreed. But the difference is that using full commits a history rewrite will always be detected. Using a tag is making it possible for upstream to bind the same tag to a different commit. And since it's possible, it will happen. It's a shame there is no way to block forced updates on github. It's

Re: Shipping package metadata in a package

2014-01-24 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > In this instance, when run with background attribues, PackageKit uses > idle bandwidth and with a lower priority than if the transaction was a > foreground task. > Huh, we have a concept of "idle bandwidth"? Who/how manages this? Mire

Re: Source string contextualization

2014-01-24 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Kévin Raymond wrote: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Nilamdyuti Goswami > wrote: > > To solve this issue, we have formed a Fedora SIG named "Source String > > Contextualizing Group" [1] aimed at > > providing concise yet meaningful description of the concerned

Re: SELinux RPM scriplet issue annoucement

2014-01-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.01.2014 17:34, schrieb Lukas Zapletal: > One note on that topic: > > I found myself giving karma to an update, while I tested different > version (actually a completely different build). It would be good if > giving karma would require to insert a hash or something generated from > the pack

[Bug 1051598] Perl scripts misidentified as perl modules

2014-01-24 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1051598 Jeff Makey changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||1057718 Referenced Bugs: https://bugzi

[perl-Test-Unit-Lite] Created tag perl-Test-Unit-Lite-0.12-16.el7

2014-01-24 Thread Paul Howarth
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Re: SELinux RPM scriplet issue annoucement

2014-01-24 Thread Lukas Zapletal
One note on that topic: I found myself giving karma to an update, while I tested different version (actually a completely different build). It would be good if giving karma would require to insert a hash or something generated from the package itself (rpm -q -qf something package), header or signa

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.01.2014 17:12, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: > On 01/24/2014 04:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 24.01.2014 16:40, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: >>> On 01/24/2014 04:06 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > a) This would blow away all installed packages, which aren't available in > permanently enabled r

[perl-YAML-LibYAML] Created tag perl-YAML-LibYAML-0.41-1.el7

2014-01-24 Thread Paul Howarth
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Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/24/2014 04:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 24.01.2014 16:40, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 01/24/2014 04:06 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: a) This would blow away all installed packages, which aren't available in permanently enabled repos that is not true, try it out Been there many times n

Re: Source string contextualization

2014-01-24 Thread Kévin Raymond
> > It is *just* about improving the source code? > > It is about providing Translators' comment or precise context to the > confusing source strings in the source code of the application so that the > resultant pot/po files have that context and it becomes easy for the > translators to translate t

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