semi-away notice

2014-04-25 Thread Haïkel Guémar
Hi, yesterday, I broke my left arm, so my response time will be significantly slowed down for about 4 weeks. I kindly ask my co-maintainers and provenpackagers to look after my packages. I'll still be around, i'll also finish my packages reviews. Regards, H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 26.04.2014 02:01, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > On 04/25/2014 10:53 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> I don't think our foundations ever implied that we need or want to be a >> closed ecosystem restricted to only the >> repository we produce. The just don't address this. > > You must understan

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/25/2014 10:53 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: I don't think our foundations ever implied that we need or want to be a closed ecosystem restricted to only the repository we produce. The just don't address this. You must understand we cannot keep back process in the distribution, be it cl

Re: default local DNS failover solution needed, nscd?

2014-04-25 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-26 0:51 GMT+02:00 Chuck Anderson : > > Main goal is to have local DNSSEC-validating resolver. > > I, as the OP, did not intend that as the goal, although I have no > problem with that as a different goal. My intent was to fix the > atrocious failover behavior of the glibc resolver. I als

Re: default local DNS failover solution needed, nscd?

2014-04-25 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > I'm starting a new thread to clarify and emphasize the problem I'm > actually trying to solve. Here is the problem restated as I posted it > to the dns-operations list: > > - > Is it really expected that the first DNS server listed in >

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-26 0:37 GMT+02:00 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" : > On 04/25/2014 05:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > >> That's certainly an option but it's not the only one; see the recent >> "Functional" threads for example. >> > > Sorry I did not want to get involved in yet another attack on our > foundation,

default local DNS failover solution needed, nscd?

2014-04-25 Thread Chuck Anderson
I'm starting a new thread to clarify and emphasize the problem I'm actually trying to solve. Here is the problem restated as I posted it to the dns-operations list: - Is it really expected that the first DNS server listed in /etc/resolv.conf should never go down? Operationally speaking, who

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/25/2014 05:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: That's certainly an option but it's not the only one; see the recent "Functional" threads for example. Sorry I did not want to get involved in yet another attack on our foundation, Last time I checked Fedora was not LSB certified nor compliant s

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.04.2014 19:30, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: > 2014-04-25 12:40 GMT+02:00 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson": > Which is what we care about we cannot hold back progress in the > distribution based on someone, someplace, > somewhere might be using legacy cruff. > > It's better for everybody they

Re: gcc build with -O0 results in corrupted -debuginfo package

2014-04-25 Thread Andrew Price
On 25/04/14 20:10, Simo Sorce wrote: On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 14:03 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 18:10 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Petr Spacek wrote: I'm going to reproduce and debug issue in named. Do you see any specific reason why I should use -O2 for serious debugging/devel

Re: gcc build with -O0 results in corrupted -debuginfo package

2014-04-25 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 14:03 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 18:10 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Petr Spacek wrote: > > > I'm going to reproduce and debug issue in named. Do you see any specific > > > reason why I should use -O2 for serious debugging/development sessions? > > >

Re: When a yum update sets up an MTA ...

2014-04-25 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 2:00 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 04/24/2014 01:57 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Florian Weimer >> wrote: >>> >>> On 04/21/2014 03:44 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: Would it make sense to audit all spec files to lo

Package review swap

2014-04-25 Thread Darryl L. Pierce
I'm really trying to get a package reviewed. Someone had volunteered to do a review swap, but I haven't heard from him in a while so am asking again if someone wants to do a review swap? compat-qpid-cpp - Qpid 0.24 compatibility package https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1080583 -- Darr

Re: gcc build with -O0 results in corrupted -debuginfo package

2014-04-25 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 18:10 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Petr Spacek wrote: > > I'm going to reproduce and debug issue in named. Do you see any specific > > reason why I should use -O2 for serious debugging/development sessions? > > IMHO, you should always debug with optimization enabled. GDB can

Re: Copr and Playground plugin part of dnf-plugins-core?

2014-04-25 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-24 22:33 GMT+02:00 Kevin Fenzi : > I'm not sure a open vote is the way to go here. How about we try and > figure this out on technical grounds? > > Personally I think it's fine to be in dnf-plugins-core, but the > maintainers of dnf don't think so I guess, but that could just be that > the

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-25 12:40 GMT+02:00 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" : > On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > >> >> Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora. >> > > Which is what we care about we cannot hold back progress in the > distribution based on someone, someplace, somewhere might be

Re: default local DNS caching name server

2014-04-25 Thread Petr Spacek
On 25.4.2014 18:19, Simo Sorce wrote: On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 09:56 -0600, Pete Zaitcev wrote: On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 10:41:54 -0400 Chuck Anderson wrote: [...] We need an independent, system-wide DNS cache, and always point resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 to solve this fundamental design problem with h

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-04-25) meeting minutes and logs

2014-04-25 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:50:40 + "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > On 04/25/2014 04:50 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > all the compose tools fall into the base WG domain > > Compose tools != releng and it's service sub community. I think you will

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-04-25) meeting minutes and logs

2014-04-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/25/2014 04:50 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: all the compose tools fall into the base WG domain Compose tools != releng and it's service sub community. JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http:

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-04-25) meeting minutes and logs

2014-04-25 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:33:02 + "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > On 04/25/2014 04:21 PM, Phil Knirsch wrote: > > Quick summary: > > > > - jwb already followed up on the agenda that the securetty has > > already been resolved > > - jreznik wo

Re: orphaning ooolatex + maintainership of my other packages up for grabs

2014-04-25 Thread Alex Lancaster
Thanks, Luis. I just orphaned both python-biopython and sqlite2 so you can go ahead and take ownership via PkgDB (I added myself as a co-maintainer for both packages before orphaning). Cheers, Alex Luis Enrique Bazán De León wrote: > I can take part of this work :-) > Regards! - Original

Re: [Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-04-25) meeting minutes and logs

2014-04-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/25/2014 04:21 PM, Phil Knirsch wrote: Quick summary: - jwb already followed up on the agenda that the securetty has already been resolved - jreznik working with dglimore on the merge reviews - As pknirsch is on PTO next Friday, jreznik will run it - Good Open Floor discussion about

[Base] Fedora Base Design Working Group (2014-04-25) meeting minutes and logs

2014-04-25 Thread Phil Knirsch
Quick summary: - jwb already followed up on the agenda that the securetty has already been resolved - jreznik working with dglimore on the merge reviews - As pknirsch is on PTO next Friday, jreznik will run it - Good Open Floor discussion about fedup and install trees and images. Will foll

Re: default local DNS caching name server

2014-04-25 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 09:56 -0600, Pete Zaitcev wrote: > On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 10:41:54 -0400 > Chuck Anderson wrote: > > > [...] We need an independent, > > system-wide DNS cache, and always point resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 to > > solve this fundamental design problem with how name resolution works

Re: gcc build with -O0 results in corrupted -debuginfo package

2014-04-25 Thread Kevin Kofler
Petr Spacek wrote: > I'm going to reproduce and debug issue in named. Do you see any specific > reason why I should use -O2 for serious debugging/development sessions? IMHO, you should always debug with optimization enabled. GDB can cope quite well with it, and it is the only way to actually debu

Re: orphaning ooolatex + maintainership of my other packages up for grabs

2014-04-25 Thread Luis Enrique Bazán De León
I can take part of this work :-) Regards! 2014-04-25 11:14 GMT-05:00 Alex Lancaster : > ooolatex needs to be replaced by TeXMaths anyway, see: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1018515 > > In general, going forward at least for the immediate > future, I will have to ramp down some

orphaning ooolatex + maintainership of my other packages up for grabs

2014-04-25 Thread Alex Lancaster
ooolatex needs to be replaced by TeXMaths anyway, see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1018515 In general, going forward at least for the immediate future, I will have to ramp down some of my Fedora efforts. In the meantime feel free to update any of my packages if you're provenpack

Re: default local DNS caching name server

2014-04-25 Thread Pete Zaitcev
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 10:41:54 -0400 Chuck Anderson wrote: > [...] We need an independent, > system-wide DNS cache, and always point resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 to > solve this fundamental design problem with how name resolution works > on a Linux system. Windows has had a default system-wide DNS ca

Re: gcc build with -O0 results in corrupted -debuginfo package

2014-04-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.04.2014 17:10, schrieb Adam Jackson: > On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 16:50 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> but it don't justify incompatible flags >> IMHO you enter the area of "undefined behavior" with that > > Your humble opinion is misguided, building without _FORTIFY_SOURCE is an > entirely r

Re: gcc build with -O0 results in corrupted -debuginfo package

2014-04-25 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 16:50 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > but it don't justify incompatible flags > IMHO you enter the area of "undefined behavior" with that Your humble opinion is misguided, building without _FORTIFY_SOURCE is an entirely reasonable thing for an end developer to want to do on th

Re: gcc build with -O0 results in corrupted -debuginfo package

2014-04-25 Thread Petr Spacek
On 25.4.2014 16:50, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 25.04.2014 16:43, schrieb Petr Spacek: On 25.4.2014 16:28, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 25.04.2014 16:10, schrieb Petr Spacek: I'm trying to rebuild bind-9.9.4-12.P2.fc20.src.rpm with CFLAGS="$CFLAGS $RPM_OPT_FLAGS -O0 -ggdb". I did the simplest possibl

Re: F21 System Wide Change: BerkeleyDB 6

2014-04-25 Thread Jerry James
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 6:24 AM, Jan Staněk wrote: > Well, both GPLv3+ and AGPLv3+ have clause ([1], [2]) that allow code > licensed under one of them link with code under the other one legally - > only if you run the full product on a server and it interact with users > trough network, you have t

Re: gcc build with -O0 results in corrupted -debuginfo package

2014-04-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.04.2014 16:43, schrieb Petr Spacek: > On 25.4.2014 16:28, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 25.04.2014 16:10, schrieb Petr Spacek: >>> I'm trying to rebuild bind-9.9.4-12.P2.fc20.src.rpm with >>> CFLAGS="$CFLAGS $RPM_OPT_FLAGS -O0 -ggdb". >>> >>> I did the simplest possible thing - edited the origi

Re: gcc build with -O0 results in corrupted -debuginfo package

2014-04-25 Thread Petr Spacek
On 25.4.2014 16:28, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 25.04.2014 16:10, schrieb Petr Spacek: I'm trying to rebuild bind-9.9.4-12.P2.fc20.src.rpm with CFLAGS="$CFLAGS $RPM_OPT_FLAGS -O0 -ggdb". I did the simplest possible thing - edited the original spec file (see spec.diff) and built the package: $ rpm

Re: gcc build with -O0 results in corrupted -debuginfo package

2014-04-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.04.2014 16:10, schrieb Petr Spacek: > I'm trying to rebuild bind-9.9.4-12.P2.fc20.src.rpm with > CFLAGS="$CFLAGS $RPM_OPT_FLAGS -O0 -ggdb". > > I did the simplest possible thing - edited the original spec file (see > spec.diff) and built the package: > $ rpmbuild -ba bind.spec > > The pac

[Bug 1091285] Should include dependency on perl(Test::Pod::Content)

2014-04-25 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1091285 --- Comment #4 from Paul Howarth --- OK, I've requested EPEL7 branches on the wiki. When they're done, you can transfer ownership to me: $ pkgdb-cli unorphan --owner pghmcfc perl-Test-Pod-Content epel7 $ pkgdb-cli unorphan --owner pghmcfc per

gcc build with -O0 results in corrupted -debuginfo package

2014-04-25 Thread Petr Spacek
Hello list, I'm trying to rebuild bind-9.9.4-12.P2.fc20.src.rpm with CFLAGS="$CFLAGS $RPM_OPT_FLAGS -O0 -ggdb". I did the simplest possible thing - edited the original spec file (see spec.diff) and built the package: $ rpmbuild -ba bind.spec The package builds and BIND itself seems to work. T

[perl-Apache-LogFormat-Compiler] Drop unneeded build-time dependencies

2014-04-25 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 40da342725f2a4ad7cc319a564e14ba49b67adec Author: Petr Písař Date: Fri Apr 25 15:01:27 2014 +0200 Drop unneeded build-time dependencies Especially the Plack::Builder created a dependency cycle between perl-Plack and perl-Apache-LogFormat-Compiler. perl-Apache-LogFormat-

Re: Spec files in Rawhide using ExclusiveArch: %{ocaml_arches}

2014-04-25 Thread Florian Weimer
On 04/15/2014 03:12 PM, Dan Horák wrote: But do you still need to bootstrap ocaml on the non-native arches to get the bytecode interpreted one? We do not build Ocaml completely from source, so no bootstrapping within Fedora is needed. Upstream did this for us and included the bytecode of th

Re: F21 System Wide Change: BerkeleyDB 6

2014-04-25 Thread Jan Staněk
Dne 24.4.2014 17:22, Jerry James napsal(a): > I need some advice on how to handle this for XEmacs, which is a GPLv3+ > package. Well, both GPLv3+ and AGPLv3+ have clause ([1], [2]) that allow code licensed under one of them link with code under the other one legally - only if you run the full pr

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Mono 3.4

2014-04-25 Thread Dan Horák
On Tue, 08 Apr 2014 13:44:02 +0200 Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Mono 3.4 = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Mono_3.4 > > Change owner(s): Claudio Rodrigo Pereyra Diaz > > > Update the Mono stack in Fedora from 2.10 to 3.4 > > == Detailed Description == > S

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-25 Thread Florian Weimer
On 04/22/2014 12:15 PM, Nikos Roussos wrote: There is also a third group, somewhere in between, who believe that's ok to ship Free Software that connects and interops with proprietary services (gtalk, aws, etc), but it's not ok to ship proprietary software, metadata about proprietary software or

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 01:30:00PM +0200, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: > Dne 25.4.2014 13:24, Reindl Harald napsal(a): > > > > > >Am 25.04.2014 13:12, schrieb Lukáš Nykrýn: > >>Dne 25.4.2014 12:50, Reindl Harald napsal(a): > >>>Am 25.04.2014 12:40, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Lukáš Nykrýn
Dne 25.4.2014 13:24, Reindl Harald napsal(a): Am 25.04.2014 13:12, schrieb Lukáš Nykrýn: Dne 25.4.2014 12:50, Reindl Harald napsal(a): Am 25.04.2014 12:40, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora.

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.04.2014 13:12, schrieb Lukáš Nykrýn: > Dne 25.4.2014 12:50, Reindl Harald napsal(a): >> Am 25.04.2014 12:40, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: >>> On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora. >>> >>> Which is what we care about

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Lukáš Nykrýn
Dne 25.4.2014 12:50, Reindl Harald napsal(a): Am 25.04.2014 12:40, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora. Which is what we care about we cannot hold back progress in the distribution based on someo

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.04.2014 12:58, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > On 04/25/2014 10:50 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 25.04.2014 12:40, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: >>> On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora. >>> Which is what we care about

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Lukáš Nykrýn
Dne 25.4.2014 02:19, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a): On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 04:38:07PM +0200, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: Hi, for the F22 I am planning some bigger changes regarding initscripts and I would like to ask for comments. Initscripts package was in the past a crucial part of the syste

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/25/2014 10:50 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 25.04.2014 12:40, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora. Which is what we care about we cannot hold back progress in the distribution based on someone,

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.04.2014 12:40, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: > On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> >> Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora. > > Which is what we care about we cannot hold back progress in the > distribution based on someone, someplace, somewhere might be usi

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/24/2014 04:30 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Only those that are maintained directly inside Fedora. Which is what we care about we cannot hold back progress in the distribution based on someone, someplace, somewhere might be using legacy cruff. It's better for everybody they themselves i

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-25 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/25/2014 12:19 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: I too think that this split is a lot of work for small gain. Working out the full dependencies set of what needs what is going to take a while, but I think it would be better to simply shrink the package to nothing in small steps. I al

Re: Copr and Playground plugin part of dnf-plugins-core?

2014-04-25 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Miroslav Suchý píše v Čt 24. 04. 2014 v 11:29 +0200: > In https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1090516 > Jiri asked for removing Copr (and Playground) DNF plugin out of > dnf-plugins-core. > > Since this is not technical but merely political question I would like to ask > wider audience:

Re: Copr and Playground plugin part of dnf-plugins-core?

2014-04-25 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
On Fri 25 Apr 2014 06:47:10 AM CEST Tim Lauridsen wrote: > I have started a new dnf-utils project for commuty plugins/addons there is > not maintain by the core dnf team > > https://github.com/timlau/dnf-utils > > copr / playground is welcome here is the core dnf developers, think its > dont fit i