EPEL epel beta report: 20140429 changes

2014-04-29 Thread EPEL Beta Report
Compose started at Tue Apr 29 08:15:03 UTC 2014 New package: createrepo_c-0.3.0-1.el7 Creates a common metadata repository New package: erlang-meck-0.7.2-5.el7 A mocking library for Erlang New package: galera-25.3.5-5.el7 Synchronous multi-master wsrep

EPEL RFC: Strategy for python3 versions

2014-04-29 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
Hi guys, Orion has submitted a python34 package for EPEL and I'm going to review them soon if no one beats me to it. In parallel with getting that approved I'd like to ask about the general strategy we'd like to take with maintaining python3 in EPEL. Python3 is an evolving language. New 3.N

Re: EPEL RFC: Strategy for python3 versions

2014-04-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:54:31 -0700 Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: ...snip... What do people think? Is this something we can do within the policies of EPEL? Does it make sense to go forward with this? Is it better to go with one of the alternatives? ...snip... I like the plan.

EPEL thoughts or views on packages deliberately left out of rhel?

2014-04-29 Thread Jim Perrin
The RC for el7 specifically omits packages that have drawn interest in the past. A few examples of such packages would be kmail and pidgin. kmail is ordinarily part of the kde-pim suite, but is stripped from the final build via some 'rm' handiwork in the spec. Pidgin is omitted from the build via

Re: EPEL RFC: Strategy for python3 versions

2014-04-29 Thread Orion Poplawski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/29/2014 05:54 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Hi guys, Orion has submitted a python34 package for EPEL and I'm going to review them soon if no one beats me to it. In parallel with getting that approved I'd like to ask about the general

Re: EPEL thoughts or views on packages deliberately left out of rhel?

2014-04-29 Thread s
On 2014-04-30 06:57, Jim Perrin wrote: The RC for el7 specifically omits packages that have drawn interest in the past. A few examples of such packages would be kmail and pidgin. kmail is ordinarily part of the kde-pim suite, but is stripped from the final build via some 'rm' handiwork in the

Self Introduction: Tetsumune KISO

2014-04-29 Thread Tetsumune KISO
Hi all, My name is Tetsumune KISO. I have been a network engineer at telecom carrier. Recently I have submitted a review request: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1089110 This is my first package and I need a sponsor. I'm very happy if you accept this package. Best Regards,

Headsup: Rebased Xorg coming to a rawhide near you

2014-04-29 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi All, During the last few days I've been preparing a rebase of Xorg to 1.15.99.902 all packages have been build into the f21-xorg tag now, and I've just request rel-eng to move them to rawhide proper. So the next rawhide compose, or maybe the one after that will have an all new Xorg stack.

Self Introduction : Florian Tani

2014-04-29 Thread Florian Tani
Hi everybody, I'm writing today because I have submitted my first package for review : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1092431https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1090933 Hello, my name is Florian Tani. I am Computer Engineering student , second year at Metropolitan Univeristy

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 28.04.14 15:11, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote: On Apr 28, 2014 5:01 PM, Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com wrote: The problem is lots of services require systemd because they ship a unit file and want systemctl reload to happen. Would removing the requires on systemd

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 28.04.14 17:01, Daniel J Walsh (dwa...@redhat.com) wrote: The problem is lots of services require systemd because they ship a unit file and want systemctl reload to happen. Systemd then triggers a require for udev and kmod, which docker containers do not need. If you discount the

Re: an that is why we need a firewall - Re: When a yum update sets up an MTA ...

2014-04-29 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 04/28/2014 08:09 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: On 04/28/2014 12:42 PM, David Woodhouse wrote: Actually, I think the best way to fix this is with SELinux, rather than iptables. Why go for an overly complex solution where authorised processes have to prod a firewall dæmon to change the iptables

Re: Deprecate setjmp/longjmp? [was Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?]

2014-04-29 Thread Andrew Haley
On 04/28/2014 03:49 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Mon, 2014-04-28 at 09:58 -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 08:57:27AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On Sun, 2014-04-27 at 23:02 +0100, Andrew Price wrote: On 24/04/14 15:13, Lennart Poettering wrote: We probably should make

F21 System Wide Change: Application Installer Continued

2014-04-29 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed System Wide Change: Application Installer Continued = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstallerContinued Change owner(s): Richard Hughes for the implementation, Ryan Lerch and Allan Day for the design rhug...@redhat.com Fully integrate the new application installer with

F21 System Wide Change: Wayland

2014-04-29 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed System Wide Change: Wayland = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Wayland Change owner(s): Matthias Clasen and the desktop team mcla...@redhat.com, desk...@lists.fedoraproject.org Port the GNOME desktop to Wayland. == Detailed Description == GNOME is being ported to Wayland.

F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver Change owner(s): P J P p...@fedoraproject.org, Pavel Šimerda pav...@pavlix.net, Tomas Hozza tho...@redhat.com To install a local DNS resolver trusted for the

F21 Self Contained Change: Docker Cloud Image

2014-04-29 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed Self Contained Change: Docker Cloud Image = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Docker_Cloud_Image Change owner(s): Cloud SIG / Sandro Mathys r...@fedoraproject.org New Fedora product: Fedora Docker Cloud Image - Docker host ready to go. == Detailed Description == Fedora Cloud

F21 Self Contained Change: LVM Cache Logical Volumes

2014-04-29 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed Self Contained Change: LVM Cache Logical Volumes = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Cache_Logical_Volumes Change owner(s): Alasdair G. Kergon a...@redhat.com, David Cantrell dcant...@redhat.com, Dave Lehman dleh...@fedoraproject.org LVM can now use fast block devices (e.g.

[perl-WWW-OrangeHRM-Client/f19] 0.7.2 bump

2014-04-29 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 379d5b68f385e8845f3aa108485c3a655e00b5da Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Tue Apr 29 14:47:28 2014 +0200 0.7.2 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-WWW-OrangeHRM-Client.spec |5 - sources|2 +- 3 files changed, 6

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Application Installer Continued

2014-04-29 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-29 13:57 GMT+02:00 Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com: = Proposed System Wide Change: Application Installer Continued = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AppInstallerContinued == Release Notes == The application installer, gnome-software is now more fully integrated and

Meeting minutes from Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-04-29)

2014-04-29 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
#fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2014-04-29) Meeting started by mmaslano at 12:04:50 UTC. The full logs are available at

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, 2014-04-29 14:15 GMT+02:00 Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com: = Proposed System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver == Upgrade/compatibility impact == So what *exactly* happens on upgrade? Before the

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Docker Cloud Image

2014-04-29 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, 2014-04-29 14:35 GMT+02:00 Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Docker Cloud Image = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Docker_Cloud_Image == Scope == snip * Release engineering: N/A (not a System Wide Change) Is anything needed for the

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: LVM Cache Logical Volumes

2014-04-29 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, 2014-04-29 14:48 GMT+02:00 Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com: = Proposed Self Contained Change: LVM Cache Logical Volumes = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Cache_Logical_Volumes * Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change) non-empty content ... so this might be a

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread P J P
   Hello, On Tuesday, 29 April 2014 7:22 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: So what exactly happens on upgrade? Before the upgrade, most resolv.conf files will not point to 127.0.0.1. What will they point to after the upgrade, and if they will point to 127.0.0.1, which package will actually do that, and

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Matthew Miller
To install a local DNS resolver trusted for the DNSSEC validation running on 127.0.0.1:53. This must be the only name server entry in /etc/resolv.conf. Can the proposal owners clarify for me how this is intended to impact the cloud products? There's general resistance to having more services

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 04/29/2014 06:31 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 28.04.14 15:11, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote: On Apr 28, 2014 5:01 PM, Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com wrote: The problem is lots of services require systemd because they ship a unit file and want systemctl reload to

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 04/28/2014 06:44 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Mon, 2014-04-28 at 17:01 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: The problem is lots of services require systemd because they ship a unit file and want systemctl reload to happen. Systemd then triggers a require for udev and kmod, which docker containers

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 04/29/2014 06:33 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 28.04.14 17:01, Daniel J Walsh (dwa...@redhat.com) wrote: The problem is lots of services require systemd because they ship a unit file and want systemctl reload to happen. Systemd then triggers a require for udev and kmod, which

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread P J P
On Tuesday, 29 April 2014 7:56 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Can the proposal owners clarify for me how this is intended to impact the cloud products?   Cloud products is somewhat of a hazy area(at-least for me). It's unclear how things operate there. Any information about how we could/should

Re: Deprecate setjmp/longjmp? [was Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?]

2014-04-29 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2014-04-27 19:02 GMT-03:00 Andrew Price anpr...@redhat.com: On 24/04/14 15:13, Lennart Poettering wrote: We probably should make setjmp()-freeness a requirement for all code included in Fedora. Would it be worth the effort, and how feasible is it anyway? - Do we have any usage statistics?

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Alexander Larsson
On tis, 2014-04-29 at 14:15 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver Change owner(s): P J P p...@fedoraproject.org, Pavel Šimerda pav...@pavlix.net, Tomas Hozza

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 05:15:57PM +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: On tis, 2014-04-29 at 14:15 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver Change owner(s): P J P

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Alexander Larsson al...@redhat.com wrote: On tis, 2014-04-29 at 12:33 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 28.04.14 17:01, Daniel J Walsh (dwa...@redhat.com) wrote: The problem is lots of services require systemd because they ship a unit file and want

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 17:15 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: On tis, 2014-04-29 at 14:15 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver Change owner(s): P J P

Re: default local DNS failover solution needed, nscd?

2014-04-29 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 03:58:44PM -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-12/msg00416.html I've never understood why something like nscd is even worth trying to support. There's a simple, well specified protocol that program can use to talk to a DNS

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Alexander Larsson
On tis, 2014-04-29 at 11:21 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Alexander Larsson al...@redhat.com wrote: On tis, 2014-04-29 at 12:33 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 28.04.14 17:01, Daniel J Walsh (dwa...@redhat.com) wrote: The problem is lots of services

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 29.04.14 10:37, Daniel J Walsh (dwa...@redhat.com) wrote: On 04/29/2014 06:33 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 28.04.14 17:01, Daniel J Walsh (dwa...@redhat.com) wrote: The problem is lots of services require systemd because they ship a unit file and want systemctl reload

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 22:10 +0800, P J P wrote: Hello, On Tuesday, 29 April 2014 7:22 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: So what exactly happens on upgrade? Before the upgrade, most resolv.conf files will not point to 127.0.0.1. What will they point to after the upgrade, and if they will point

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Colin Walters
[ Dropping devel-announce ] On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Alexander Larsson al...@redhat.com wrote: Not sure how to fix something like that though... I think in both cases (host and container) it would be best if the local resolver offered a local-only API (e.g. unix domain sockets,

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-29 17:15 GMT+02:00 Alexander Larsson al...@redhat.com: On tis, 2014-04-29 at 14:15 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver To install a local DNS resolver trusted

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Docker Cloud Image

2014-04-29 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:35:55 +0200 Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Docker Cloud Image = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Docker_Cloud_Image Change owner(s): Cloud SIG / Sandro Mathys

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Petr Spacek
On 29.4.2014 17:27, Colin Walters wrote: [ Dropping devel-announce ] On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Alexander Larsson al...@redhat.com wrote: Not sure how to fix something like that though... I think in both cases (host and container) it would be best if the local resolver offered a

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 29.04.14 16:58, Alexander Larsson (al...@redhat.com) wrote: On tis, 2014-04-29 at 12:33 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 28.04.14 17:01, Daniel J Walsh (dwa...@redhat.com) wrote: The problem is lots of services require systemd because they ship a unit file and want

Re: [RFC] plans for initscripts in F22

2014-04-29 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 04:38:07PM +0200, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: Network initscript. This will be probably the most controversial part. In fedora 21 we will have three different tools for networking (initscripts, NetworkManager and systemd-networkd) and all of them will be installed by default.

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Docker Cloud Image

2014-04-29 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 04:01:05PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: * Release engineering: N/A (not a System Wide Change) Is anything needed for the potential os-tree -based updates system? Possibly. It depends on the exact implementation. == Upgrade/compatibility impact == Do the cloud-init

Re: EPEL Python 3.4 for 7

2014-04-29 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 01:45:52PM -0400, Aaron Knister wrote: I think it's a little unrealistic to expect the vendor to namespace their packages although it would be nice and probably the right thing to do. If you buy from Red Hat, you should complain to them. That might have more effect than

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Docker Cloud Image

2014-04-29 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:35:46AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: * Release engineering: N/A (not a System Wide Change) Releng will be needed to make the docker images, and upload them where they need to go, so this is not true Of course that is absolutely true. We should fix that in the

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-29 17:40 GMT+02:00 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de: On Tue, 29.04.14 16:58, Alexander Larsson (al...@redhat.com) wrote: Its around 15 megs or so, although on rhel7 its 20 megs larger because of a dependency that kmod has on /usr/bin/nm (binutils) that doesn't seem to be

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Docker Cloud Image

2014-04-29 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: Is anything needed for the potential os-tree -based updates system? Definitely! There's a short term and long term plan. Short term: * Run a separate set of server(s) to do treecompose. Would require some basic level of

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: 2014-04-29 17:40 GMT+02:00 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de: On Tue, 29.04.14 16:58, Alexander Larsson (al...@redhat.com) wrote: Its around 15 megs or so, although on rhel7 its 20 megs larger because of a

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014, P J P wrote: Similarly, what do we tell users who used to edit /etc/resolv.conf to do in the new system?   We tell users to never edit the '/etc/resolv.conf' file and ensure that the local resolver is listening at 127.0.0.1:53. We should leave a comment in resolv.conf

Re: EPEL Python 3.4 for 7

2014-04-29 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 09:13:12PM -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 04/26/2014 06:55 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Apr 26, 2014 11:37 AM, Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com mailto:or...@cora.nwra.com wrote: One interesting change from RHEL7 beta-rc is the dropping of libdb4 which

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Alexander Larsson
On tis, 2014-04-29 at 17:40 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 29.04.14 16:58, Alexander Larsson (al...@redhat.com) wrote: On tis, 2014-04-29 at 12:33 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 28.04.14 17:01, Daniel J Walsh (dwa...@redhat.com) wrote: The problem is lots of

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 17:39 +0200, Petr Spacek wrote: On 29.4.2014 17:27, Colin Walters wrote: [ Dropping devel-announce ] On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Alexander Larsson al...@redhat.com wrote: Not sure how to fix something like that though... I think in both cases (host and

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 29.04.14 18:03, Alexander Larsson (al...@redhat.com) wrote: On tis, 2014-04-29 at 17:40 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 29.04.14 16:58, Alexander Larsson (al...@redhat.com) wrote: On tis, 2014-04-29 at 12:33 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 28.04.14 17:01,

local dns server and flushing negative cache

2014-04-29 Thread Paul Wouters
Looks like we will be able to flush the negative cache between networks in the next version of unbound. Paul ps. this is why I love unbound. Request a useful feature, get it :) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 04:50:05 From: W.C.A. Wijngaards wou...@nlnetlabs.nl

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 8:18 AM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 05:15:57PM +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: On tis, 2014-04-29 at 14:15 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver =

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: LVM Cache Logical Volumes

2014-04-29 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 02:48:51PM +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: LVM Cache Logical Volumes = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Cache_Logical_Volumes Anaconda team signed as co-owners of this Change. The dracut team must provide boot support. If

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2014-04-29 at 18:14 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 29.04.14 18:03, Alexander Larsson (al...@redhat.com) wrote: systemd = cryptsetup-libs = device-mapper-libs = device-mapper Don't have time to look up the details atm, but iptable was reached via initscripts somehow.

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
Em 29-04-2014 12:27, Lennart Poettering escreveu: On Tue, 29.04.14 10:37, Daniel J Walsh (dwa...@redhat.com) wrote: On 04/29/2014 06:33 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 28.04.14 17:01, Daniel J Walsh (dwa...@redhat.com) wrote: The problem is lots of services require systemd because

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner marcelo.leit...@gmail.com said: You're considering only the escalation way to do it, but there are other ways to exploit code laying around, like when some web pages don't sanitize the URL enough and end up allowing executing something in the system,

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.04.2014 20:51, schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner marcelo.leit...@gmail.com said: You're considering only the escalation way to do it, but there are other ways to exploit code laying around, like when some web pages don't sanitize the URL enough and end up

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread P J P
   Hi, On Tuesday, 29 April 2014 8:59 PM, Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: If NetworkManager is being used, users already don't touch resolv.conf, they edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-* files and use DNS1/DNS2/DNS3 and SEARCHES to set DNS information.   Yes, true!   If

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread P J P
On Tuesday, 29 April 2014 9:29 PM, Paul Wouters p...@nohats.ca wrote: Note that FreeBSD also picked unbound recently for the exact same task.  True! - http://www.freebsdnews.net/2013/09/20/freebsd-10s-new-technologies-and-features/ --- Regards    -Prasad http://feedmug.com -- devel mailing

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Wayland

2014-04-29 Thread Casey Dahlin
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 02:04:56PM +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: This change is targeted at F21. For F20, we aim for having an experimental GNOME shell Wayland compositor available, without necessarily having all the surrounding desktop infrastructure ported. To avoid destabilizing the X

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: wrong question - is /bin/sh used? if the answer is yes then the anser to your question is no the point is remove anything *unneeded* from production systems that are best practices for many years and for good reasons No, the point

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread P J P
  Hi, On Tuesday, 29 April 2014 10:08 PM, Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote: but the container itself runs in a network namespace, so it gets its own loopback device. This will mean 127.0.0.1:53 points to the container itself, not the host, so dns resolving in the container will not work.

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:17 PM, P J P pj.pan...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Hi, On Tuesday, 29 April 2014 10:08 PM, Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote: but the container itself runs in a network namespace, so it gets its own loopback device. This will mean 127.0.0.1:53 points to the container

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 04/29/2014 03:17 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: wrong question - is /bin/sh used? if the answer is yes then the anser to your question is no the point is remove anything *unneeded* from production systems that are best practices for

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.04.2014 21:17, schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: wrong question - is /bin/sh used? if the answer is yes then the anser to your question is no the point is remove anything *unneeded* from production systems that are best practices for

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: simple example: * binary XYZ is vulerable for privilege escalation This makes no sense... * we talk about a *local* exploit until now ...I don't even know what you're trying to say here... * a bad configured

Re: Firefox Gtk3 test package

2014-04-29 Thread Kẏra
Kẏra kxra at riseup.net writes: Martin Stransky stransky at redhat.com writes: How do you enable it? Can you file a BZ# for that at bugzilla.redhat.com? In about:config, set the browser.tabs.remote preference to 'true' More info here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis did you

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 09:29:00AM -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: OTOH, it would be straightforward to write a tiny stub that forwards 127.0.0.1:53 to something outside the container. Is this tiny stub a process running inside the container? What starts that process? What about in the single

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.04.2014 21:36, schrieb Andrew Lutomirski: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: simple example: * binary XYZ is vulerable for privilege escalation This makes no sense... for you * we talk about a *local* exploit until now ...I don't

EPEL Fedora 5 updates-testing report

2014-04-29 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 5 Security updates need testing: Age URL 737 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5630/bugzilla-3.2.10-5.el5 192 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2013-11893/libguestfs-1.20.12-1.el5 72

EPEL Fedora 6 updates-testing report

2014-04-29 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: Age URL 737 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5620/bugzilla-3.4.14-2.el6 84 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-0440/fwsnort-1.6.4-1.el6 79

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 03:31:45PM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: On 04/29/2014 03:17 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: wrong question - is /bin/sh used? if the answer is yes then the anser to your question is no the point is remove

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.04.2014 21:31, schrieb Daniel J Walsh: On 04/29/2014 03:17 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: wrong question - is /bin/sh used? if the answer is yes then the anser to your question is no the point is remove anything *unneeded* from

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: simple example: * binary XYZ is vulerable for privilege escalation A local, non-privileged binary cannot be vulerable for privilege escalation. If I can run a non-privileged binary to escalate, then there is a problem with some

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 29.04.2014 21:36, schrieb Andrew Lutomirski: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: simple example: * binary XYZ is vulerable for privilege escalation This makes no

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - = Proposed System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver Change owner(s): P J P p...@fedoraproject.org, Pavel Šimerda pav...@pavlix.net, Tomas Hozza tho...@redhat.com Ops, I was just pinged

[389-devel] please review: Ticket 47777 - attribute uniqueness plugin fails when set as a chaining component

2014-04-29 Thread Mark Reynolds
https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/4 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/4/0001-Ticket-4-attribute-uniqueness-plugin-fails-when-.patch -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-devel

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.04.2014 21:59, schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: simple example: * binary XYZ is vulerable for privilege escalation A local, non-privileged binary cannot be vulerable for privilege escalation. If I can run a non-privileged binary to

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: don't get me wrong but you are talking bullshit Put up or shut up. you can't download whatever you like to do in any random situation and excutue it like in a sehll - if you have only *one command* through a web application you

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.04.2014 22:22, schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: don't get me wrong but you are talking bullshit Put up or shut up i shut when i say - not when you say https://www.google.com/search?q=local+root+exploit+CVE google as example for

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote: don't get me wrong but you are talking bullshit Reindl, your SNR is way way high. Maybe try sending /less/ emails, concentrating in being clear and helpful? Don't worry, there is _always_ someone who's wrong on the

Orphaning spectrum in Fedora

2014-04-29 Thread Matěj Cepl
That’s spectrum1 which has been long dead upstream, and there is no further development in upstream (for spectrum2 which would be a replacement), so I don't want to drag it further. I’ll keep it in EPEL 5,6 and if any bug happens, I’ll patch it. Any takers? Yeah, I thought so Matěj --

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Marcelo Ricardo Leitner
Em 29-04-2014 17:04, Andrew Lutomirski escreveu: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 29.04.2014 21:36, schrieb Andrew Lutomirski: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: simple example: * binary XYZ is

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: google as example for CVE-2014-0038 and as i already explained you: a attacker has no shell, you have two ways to force a existing local exploit by a web-application: A: try to get a complete script on the machine and execute it

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2014-04-29 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 09:29:00AM -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: OTOH, it would be straightforward to write a tiny stub that forwards 127.0.0.1:53 to something outside the container. Is this tiny stub a process

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.04.2014 23:00, schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: google as example for CVE-2014-0038 and as i already explained you: a attacker has no shell, you have two ways to force a existing local exploit by a web-application: A: try to get a

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Marcelo Ricardo Leitner marcelo.leit...@gmail.com wrote: Em 29-04-2014 17:04, Andrew Lutomirski escreveu: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 29.04.2014 21:36, schrieb Andrew Lutomirski: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.04.2014 23:09, schrieb Andrew Lutomirski: If you want to go down that path, set up selinux to prevent execing things that oughtn't to be execed. But trying to prevent exploits from working by removing every possible helper from the path is a losing proposition and is just not worth

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: defense in depth means limit the attack surface as much as you can No, because as much as you can is turn the system off and bury it in concrete (with an armed guard). The goal is as much as practical. Trying to remove things that

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.04.2014 23:20, schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: defense in depth means limit the attack surface as much as you can No, because as much as you can is turn the system off and bury it in concrete (with an armed guard). The goal is as

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote: defense in depth means limit the attack surface as much as you can As folks are trying to point out to you, these principles are well understood in this group. However, _any minimally usable environment will have a

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: however, thank you to show me that any discussion with you is worthless Right back at you. -- Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net wrote: Once upon a time, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net said: however, thank you to show me that any discussion with you is worthless Right back at you. The CoC does say a few things on this topic. I am finding Reindl's

kernel packaging split up landing in Rawhide

2014-04-29 Thread Josh Boyer
Hi All, As part of the F21 Modular Kernel Packaging for Cloud Feature[1], I've committed and pushed the kernel packaging split up into kernel-core and kernel-drivers subpackages. For those of you running rawhide, this really shouldn't be a major impact at all. When you do a yum update, you will

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