Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Tim, > > Is there anyone working on a protected packages plugin for Dnf? In the > past, it has helped users avoid trashing their systems due to bugs in > package-cleanup and so on. So it is not just the command line users of the > direc

Re: repodata - xz

On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Jon wrote: > Would it be too much trouble to use the sqlite data in DNF? > I suppose it would be a step backwards to have our primary (future) > tool using gzip metadata. > the information in the sqlite files is orded i a way the yum is using the data, dnf parses

Re: comps categories: are they any use to anyone any more?

On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Check the post-install tools; I believe at least one of apper or yumex > still > uses them. Yes, Yumex is still using categories to organize groups, both in the current stable release and in nextgen release based on the dnf api. Remov

Re: Lockscreen / suspend / keyboard issue

On Sun, 2014-05-11 at 22:30 -0600, Nathanael d. Noblet wrote: > After opening/closing the computer a few times sometimes I just hard > reset the machine. Sometimes it comes to and lets me enter my password > and unlocks. I'd like to debug and find the source of the problem. > > If I login via

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Sat, 2014-06-21 at 12:29 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Tim, > > Is there anyone working on a protected packages plugin for Dnf? In > the past, it has helped users avoid trashing their systems due to bugs > in package-cleanup and so on. So it is not just the command line > users of the direc

Re: comps categories: are they any use to anyone any more?

Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > Working on comps for the NetworkManager submodule change (see other > email) made me wonder: are the comps 'categories' actually used for > anything any more? > > I believe they were used in oldUI for presentation of the 'pick a > package' UI. We don'

Re: repodata - xz

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 13:28:33 -0500 Jon wrote: > Would it be too much trouble to use the sqlite data in DNF? > I suppose it would be a step backwards to have our primary (future) > tool using gzip metadata. filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=871 on this. kevin signature.asc

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 21.06.2014 20:41, schrieb Orcan Ogetbil: > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Tim Lauridsen wrote: >> Just run rm -rf / as root, it is much faster way to remove your os ;-) > > Bad example. Even rm has protection for / > See rm --help > ;) don't annoy with the truth :-) guess why it has that

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Tim Lauridsen wrote: > Just run rm -rf / as root, it is much faster way to remove your os ;-) Bad example. Even rm has protection for / See rm --help ;) Orcan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/de

Re: repodata - xz

On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Tim Lauridsen wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: >> >> because thats how createrepo works. the gzipped files are not ones you >> download. yum and dnf use the sqlite files. > > > yum is using the sqlite files, dnf uses the .xml.gz f

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 21.06.2014 19:57, schrieb Phillip T. George: > Its reasonable to follow industry practices in regards to safety. To remove > a common safety and require humans to > be intelligent all of the time is an excellent way to introduce (more) chaos > into the system. Sounds like an > off-list dis

Re: repodata - xz

On 06/21/2014 11:42 AM, Kalev Lember wrote: > > On 06/20/2014 03:19 AM, poma wrote: >> >> f20: >> [...] >> *primary.sqlite.bz22.7 M >> *primary.xml.gz1.3 M >> Is this "Fedora" or "Everything" ? For f20 "Everything" (comparable to rawhide) I have: 19M *-primary.sqlite.bz2 s

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Its reasonable to follow industry practices in regards to safety. To remove a common safety and require humans to be intelligent all of the time is an excellent way to introduce (more) chaos into the system. Sounds like an off-list discussion needs to take place. -Phillip On 6/21/14 12:26 PM

Re: repodata - xz

On 06/20/2014 03:19 AM, poma wrote: f20: [...] *primary.sqlite.bz22.7 M *primary.xml.gz1.3 M rawhide: [...] *primary.sqlite.xz17 M *primary.xml.gz 10 M Anyone know why the rawhide metadata size is an order of magnitude bigger than in F20? -- Kalev

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 21.06.2014 18:23, schrieb Tim Lauridsen: > Just run rm -rf / as root, it is much faster way to remove your os ;-) > > dnf does what you tell it to do and ask for your confirmation, it is not it's > job to protect you from doing stupid things with all kind of stupid logics. bullshit that ev

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Am 21.06.2014 19:02, schrieb Gerald B. Cox: > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Tim Lauridsen > wrote: > > many people stops reading fdl, because of all the flaming and people > trash talking each other and that is sad > for Fedora :-( > > > Thank you.

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

You can't child proof the world. On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Naheem Zaffar wrote: > While dnf itself might want to stay "pure" and do as commanded, maybe > for fedora there should be a default plugin that adds some protection > for the regular users? > > On 21 June 2014 18:02, Gerald B. C

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

While dnf itself might want to stay "pure" and do as commanded, maybe for fedora there should be a default plugin that adds some protection for the regular users? On 21 June 2014 18:02, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Tim Lauridsen > wrote: >> >> many people stops readi

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Tim Lauridsen wrote: > many people stops reading fdl, because of all the flaming and people trash > talking each other and that is sad for Fedora :-( Thank you. No one likes trolling. It should be obvious that if you start removing packages you should understa

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

Hi On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Tim Lauridsen wrote: > Just run rm -rf / as root, it is much faster way to remove your os ;-) > > dnf does what you tell it to do and ask for your confirmation, it is not > it's job to protect you from doing stupid things with all kind of stupid > logics. >

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Hi On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > what you or i prefer don't matter > Sure it does. Otherwise you would not insist that your perspective is the only right one and everyone else who has a different perspective is always "wrong" in any such discussion. > the ordinar

Re: repodata - xz

On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > because thats how createrepo works. the gzipped files are not ones you > download. yum and dnf use the sqlite files. > yum is using the sqlite files, dnf uses the .xml.gz files -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://a

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Zdenek Kabelac wrote: > Also for years Debian supplies short update 'diffs' - so user doesn't have > to download multiple MB sized files - just couple short small files - again > something much nicer then running a daemon to download tens of MB on > background dai

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 21.06.2014 03:03, Dan Williams wrote: On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 23:27 +0200, poma wrote: On 20.06.2014 17:55, Dan Williams wrote: On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 08:55 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: i

dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

that is a joke - DNF even allows to remove libraries with recursive dependencies uninstall the complete operating system not only the running kernel nobody can seriously argue that this is a acceptable behavior to replace yum and "the developers decided so" shows once more that recent Fedora decis

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 21.06.2014 17:20, schrieb drago01: > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 21.06.2014 16:42, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: >>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> >>> stop the automatic bandwidth wasting at all and you don't >>> have to fix anyt

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 21.06.2014 16:42, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: >> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> stop the automatic bandwidth wasting at all and you don't >> have to fix anything - don't you realize that this 50% are >>

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 21.06.2014 16:42, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > stop the automatic bandwidth wasting at all and you don't > have to fix anything - don't you realize that this 50% are > the ones with the slow WAN and the ones with fast internet

Re: Proposal: time to set up the fedora-release-{cloud, workstation, server} subpackages

Hi On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > We talked about this before, but I think now it's getting really close to > the time when we _need_ it. See > ... as Dennis says, > we > have not yet decided how to differentiate the

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

HI On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > stop the automatic bandwidth wasting at all and you don't > have to fix anything - don't you realize that this 50% are > the ones with the slow WAN and the ones with fast internet > don't need prefetch of metadata at all? > Even if I ha

Re: pam_script review

On Sat, 2014-06-21 at 01:12 +, Jason Taylor wrote: > Hi Lubomir, > > Thank you for the information! As suggested, I took a look at a couple of > package submissions. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=692 > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=691 > > https://

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 21.06.2014 03:03, schrieb Dan Williams: > On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 23:27 +0200, poma wrote: >> This is super duper, however if wwan is on the router as Ranhald wrote, you >> can only click your heels three times and repeat, "There's no place like >> home." > > Certainly. But that doesn't mean