[EPEL-devel] Orphaned Packages in epel7 (2014-12-08)

2014-12-08 Thread opensource
The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Note: If

[EPEL-devel] Orphaned Packages in epel6 (2014-12-08)

2014-12-08 Thread opensource
The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Note: If

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Igor Gnatenko
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Andre Robatino robat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler at chello.at writes: I just happened to look at the firewalld default settings, and I was not amused when I noticed this:

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Andre Robatino
Igor Gnatenko i.gnatenko.brain at gmail.com writes: you forget about DLNA sharing, and some more GNOME services. I googled for DLNA sharing to find out which ports it uses, and it seems that all of those ports are closed. Are there any specific ports you would expect to be open? BTW, I just

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Paul Howarth
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 07:41:52 +0100 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Hi, I just happened to look at the firewalld default settings, and I was not amused when I noticed this: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/firewalld.git/tree/FedoraWorkstation.xml port protocol=udp

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Andre Robatino
Andre Robatino robatino at fedoraproject.org writes: using. (BTW, Transmission now seems to automatically open an incoming port - in F20 and below I had to tell Transmission to use a fixed port instead of a random one, and manually open that port in the firewall.) Forgot to mention that

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Igor Gnatenko
tcp0 0 127.0.0.1:47147 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 15610/rygel tcp0 0 192.168.122.1:59505 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 15610/rygel tcp0 0 0.0.0.0:51413 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 13331/transmission- tcp0 0 192.168.122.1:530.0.0.0:*

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 December 2014 at 08:38, Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org wrote: On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 07:41:52 +0100 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Hi, I just happened to look at the firewalld default settings, and I was not amused when I noticed this:

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 07:41 schrieb Kevin Kofler: I just happened to look at the firewalld default settings, and I was not amused when I noticed this: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/firewalld.git/tree/FedoraWorkstation.xml port protocol=udp port=1025-65535/ port protocol=tcp

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 09:38 schrieb Paul Howarth: FWIW, this is mentioned in the release notes: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/21/html/Release_Notes/sect-Products.html#Products-Workstation 2.3.3. Developer oriented firewall Developers often run test servers that run on high numbered

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Michael Spahn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We don't need open or preconfigured high ports. What we really need is a user notification with options to allow or deny like we do with SELinux. That would be a appropriate solution for a workstation. On 08.12.2014 10:29, Reindl Harald wrote:

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - Hi, I just happened to look at the firewalld default settings, and I was not amused when I noticed this: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/firewalld.git/tree/FedoraWorkstation.xml port protocol=udp port=1025-65535/ port protocol=tcp port=1025-65535/

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We don't need open or preconfigured high ports. What we really need is a user notification with options to allow or deny like we do with SELinux. That would be a appropriate solution for a workstation. No it

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 10:34 schrieb Michael Spahn: We don't need open or preconfigured high ports. What we really need is a user notification with options to allow or deny like we do with SELinux. That would be a appropriate solution for a workstation. * you know that * i know that * the same

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - Am 08.12.2014 um 09:38 schrieb Paul Howarth: FWIW, this is mentioned in the release notes: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/21/html/Release_Notes/sect-Products.html#Products-Workstation 2.3.3. Developer oriented firewall Developers often

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 10:48 schrieb Bastien Nocera: I just happened to look at the firewalld default settings, and I was not amused when I noticed this: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/firewalld.git/tree/FedoraWorkstation.xml port protocol=udp port=1025-65535/ port protocol=tcp

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 10:50 schrieb Bastien Nocera: We don't need open or preconfigured high ports. What we really need is a user notification with options to allow or deny like we do with SELinux. That would be a appropriate solution for a workstation. No it wouldn't be, because users don't

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 10:51 schrieb Bastien Nocera: WTF - developer oriented firewall on workstation? i doubt it is smart that by default my running Eclipse accepts incoming connections from the WAN (that i am paied for IT security prevents that but only here) tcp0 0 0.0.0.0:20080

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - Am 08.12.2014 um 10:51 schrieb Bastien Nocera: WTF - developer oriented firewall on workstation? i doubt it is smart that by default my running Eclipse accepts incoming connections from the WAN (that i am paied for IT security prevents that but only

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - Am 08.12.2014 um 10:50 schrieb Bastien Nocera: We don't need open or preconfigured high ports. What we really need is a user notification with options to allow or deny like we do with SELinux. That would be a appropriate solution for a workstation.

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 11:26 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Am 08.12.2014 um 10:51 schrieb Bastien Nocera: WTF - developer oriented firewall on workstation? i doubt it is smart that by default my running Eclipse accepts incoming connections from the WAN (that i am paied for IT security prevents that but

Re: Best way to use zram in Fedora 21?

2014-12-08 Thread Karel Zak
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:03:20PM +0100, Juan Orti wrote: Hi, I know how to manually configure the zram, but what's the best way to do it? I've seen the unit zram.service of anaconda-core, and it gets activated when booting with inst.zram=on, but it looks like very anaconda-centric.

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Michael Spahn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, I'll understand these aspects. But when I think about Linux, especially about Fedora, I'm thinking about the freedom to make decisions. This means to me, to customize and take advantage of my computer and in this case my operating system. It's

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 11:32 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Am 08.12.2014 um 10:50 schrieb Bastien Nocera: We don't need open or preconfigured high ports. What we really need is a user notification with options to allow or deny like we do with SELinux. That would be a appropriate solution for a

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, I'll understand these aspects. But when I think about Linux, especially about Fedora, I'm thinking about the freedom to make decisions. This means to me, to customize and take advantage of my computer and

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 11:45 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Well, I'll understand these aspects. But when I think about Linux, especially about Fedora, I'm thinking about the freedom to make decisions. This means to me, to customize and take advantage of my computer and in this case my operating system.

Re: Best way to use zram in Fedora 21?

2014-12-08 Thread Dan Horák
On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 11:36:47 +0100 Karel Zak k...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:03:20PM +0100, Juan Orti wrote: Hi, I know how to manually configure the zram, but what's the best way to do it? I've seen the unit zram.service of anaconda-core, and it gets activated when

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Michael Spahn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Probably this is not gnomish enough to him. On 08.12.2014 11:48, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 08.12.2014 um 11:45 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Well, I'll understand these aspects. But when I think about Linux, especially about Fedora, I'm thinking

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - Am 08.12.2014 um 11:45 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Well, I'll understand these aspects. But when I think about Linux, especially about Fedora, I'm thinking about the freedom to make decisions. This means to me, to customize and take advantage of my computer

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
It's not good UI for any OS, not just the ones based on GNOME. - Original Message - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Probably this is not gnomish enough to him. On 08.12.2014 11:48, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 08.12.2014 um 11:45 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Well, I'll

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 12:22 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Am 08.12.2014 um 11:45 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Well, I'll understand these aspects. But when I think about Linux, especially about Fedora, I'm thinking about the freedom to make decisions. This means to me, to customize and take advantage of my

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 1:22:04 PM Subject: Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall - Original Message -

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Alec Leamas
On 08/12/14 12:10, Michael Spahn wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Probably this is not gnomish enough to him. Hm... There's something strange familiar with this discussion... yes, in [1] there are several threads on Firewall blocking desktop features. I can see both

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - - Original Message - From: Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 1:22:04 PM Subject: Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

rawhide report: 20141208 changes

2014-12-08 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Dec 8 05:15:03 UTC 2014 Broken deps for i386 -- [3Depict] 3Depict-0.0.16-3.fc22.i686 requires libmgl.so.7.2.0 [Sprog] Sprog-0.14-27.fc20.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.0) [cab]

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 12:34 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Am 08.12.2014 um 11:45 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Well, I'll understand these aspects. But when I think about Linux, especially about Fedora, I'm thinking about the freedom to make decisions. This means to me, to customize and take advantage of my

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - Am 08.12.2014 um 12:34 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Am 08.12.2014 um 11:45 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Well, I'll understand these aspects. But when I think about Linux, especially about Fedora, I'm thinking about the freedom to make decisions. This means to

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 1:26:29 PM Subject: Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall Am 08.12.2014 um 12:22 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Am 08.12.2014 um 11:45

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 13:02 schrieb Aleksandar Kurtakov: - Original Message - From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 1:26:29 PM Subject: Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall Am 08.12.2014 um 12:22

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 December 2014 at 12:02, Aleksandar Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 1:26:29 PM Subject: Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

[POC-change] Fedora packages point of contact updates

2014-12-08 Thread nobody
Change in package status over the last 168 hours 3 packages were orphaned clucene09 [master] was orphaned by robert A C++ port of Lucene https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/clucene09 libvmime [master]

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - snip Well, it's in your hands now, and every application developer's hands, if RH is going to be turning the default firewall off. Not Red Hat, Fedora. And it's not off by default either. It's disabled for user applications, not root ones. -- devel mailing list

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 13:39 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Well, it's in your hands now, and every application developer's hands, if RH is going to be turning the default firewall off. Not Red Hat, Fedora. And it's not off by default either. It's disabled for user applications, not root ones and that

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - Am 08.12.2014 um 13:39 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Well, it's in your hands now, and every application developer's hands, if RH is going to be turning the default firewall off. Not Red Hat, Fedora. And it's not off by default either. It's disabled for user

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 13:56 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Am 08.12.2014 um 13:39 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Well, it's in your hands now, and every application developer's hands, if RH is going to be turning the default firewall off. Not Red Hat, Fedora. And it's not off by default either. It's disabled

Re: non-responsive maintainer - vda - Denys Vlasenko - dvlas...@redhat.com

2014-12-08 Thread Denys Vlasenko
On 12/05/2014 05:43 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: Starting the non-reponsive maintainter process for vda - Denys Vlasenko - dvlas...@redhat.com as he appears to have completely abandoned busybox. Anyone know him or how to contact? Hi. I'm here. How can I help you? -- devel mailing list

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 07:56:28AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: Rootkit won't require opened *server* ports. It will contact a command server through a client port, which requires no special privileges. If you blocked the firewall for user applications, you just made the system a pain to

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 12:11:40PM +, Ian Malone wrote: You're free to select another firewall zone And free to move to another distro of course. Well, or free to select another Fedora offering, or configure you systems to not be Fedora Workstation. The defaults are different in the

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 11:40:30AM +0100, Michael Spahn wrote: I hope it's not needed to mentions that we are not Ubuntu, Windows or OSx. We are a free and open Linux distribution and every step in another direction is an attack against the ideas of free open source and open mind. Let's

Re: Review swap -- Budgie Desktop

2014-12-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 08:14:36AM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: I can help as several months ago the budgie music player was packaged by myself. At that time the desktop was however unstable. Thanks. The packaging is straightforward, for the most part. The only sticky issue is the inclusion of

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 12/08/2014 12:51 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - Am 08.12.2014 um 12:34 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Am 08.12.2014 um 11:45 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Well, I'll understand these aspects. But when I think about Linux, especially about Fedora, I'm thinking about the

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 12/08/2014 10:50 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We don't need open or preconfigured high ports. What we really need is a user notification with options to allow or deny like we do with SELinux. That would be a

File Net-Amazon-S3-0.60.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2014-12-08 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Net-Amazon-S3: 652bfee36dbb2c21e8e5633961db7780 Net-Amazon-S3-0.60.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Review swap -- Budgie Desktop

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
It's a sub-module because it's not a library. It won't be a library in the short-term either. - Original Message - On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 08:14:36AM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: I can help as several months ago the budgie music player was packaged by myself. At that time the

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - On 12/08/2014 12:51 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: snip This is wrong and you know about that - the firewalld folks have been urged to use this zone for the Workstation product - it was a Workstation team decision. What?! We discussed it, and it was deemed acceptable

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 12/08/2014 03:12 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - On 12/08/2014 12:51 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: snip This is wrong and you know about that - the firewalld folks have been urged to use this zone for the Workstation product - it was a Workstation team decision.

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 December 2014 at 13:45, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 12:11:40PM +, Ian Malone wrote: You're free to select another firewall zone And free to move to another distro of course. Well, or free to select another Fedora offering, or configure you

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - On 12/08/2014 03:12 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - On 12/08/2014 12:51 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: snip This is wrong and you know about that - the firewalld folks have been urged to use this zone for the Workstation product - it

Re: Tick-tock release cadence?

2014-12-08 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 20:01 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 04.12.2014 um 19:57 schrieb Adam Jackson: I think it's a bit misguided to even think of these things as related. Polish in an end-user-visible sense is itself a list of tasks and criteria that require dedicated attention, preferably

[perl-smartmatch/f21] 0.05-TRIAL

2014-12-08 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 4c2b55a59d34410fa3e528d1b8bd8da5be16 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Mon Dec 8 15:41:35 2014 +0100 0.05-TRIAL .gitignore |1 + perl-smartmatch.spec | 17 +++-- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 7

Re: Review swap -- Budgie Desktop

2014-12-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 09:08:09AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: It's a sub-module because it's not a library. I know it does not have a stable api. But could it be compiled as a library? Zbyszek It won't be a library in the short-term either. -- devel mailing list

File JSON-MaybeXS-1.003003.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2014-12-08 Thread Paul Howarth
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-JSON-MaybeXS: 2780e19be87f56078f990a16361ed51b JSON-MaybeXS-1.003003.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 12/08/2014 03:45 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - On 12/08/2014 03:12 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - On 12/08/2014 12:51 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: snip This is wrong and you know about that - the firewalld folks have been urged to use

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 15:45 schrieb Bastien Nocera: On 12/08/2014 12:51 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: snip This is wrong and you know about that - the firewalld folks have been urged to use this zone for the Workstation product - it was a Workstation team decision. What?! We discussed it, and it

Are both the audio and jackuser groups necessary?

2014-12-08 Thread Jonathan Underwood
Hi, A perhaps naive question, but is it really necessary to have both the audio and jackuser groups? Could these not be consolidated moving forward? Cheers, Jonathan. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - On 12/08/2014 03:45 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - On 12/08/2014 03:12 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - On 12/08/2014 12:51 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: snip This is wrong and you know about that - the

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
You're completely right, I won't follow security experts' ideas on UI, just as I won't follow a UX designers' ideas on security. I was happy to act as the go between to fix a long-standing problem, only to be told 6 month later that they accepted the change because we gave them a choice that

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bastien Nocera wrote: This was discussed, and implemented in the open, and I sent the details of the feature, and how it would be implemented to the fedora desktop list, as is customary for Workstation features. That's the problem, you discuss everything in your private playground where

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 02:31:58PM +, Ian Malone wrote: There are three products: workstation, server, cloud. Workstation is the one for desktop use. That leaves server to aim for the traditional fedora user base, since cloud is (understandably) a very different thing. So if you want a

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
if your discussions leaded to the decisions also used the quoting style like in that thread only contain myself said i guess what went wrong in the first place i am still unsure if that's * intentional to mask communication * just a bad usage of your mail-client in any case it's not the

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bastien Nocera wrote: Yeah, that's so useful. Oh, you clicked it, it's your fault. That's not the type of OS I want to help implement, sorry. So you rather implement the type of OS that just always assumes Yes without even asking? Because that's what the current firewall rules do (between

Re: non-responsive maintainer - vda - Denys Vlasenko - dvlas...@redhat.com

2014-12-08 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 12/08/2014 06:20 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: On 12/05/2014 05:43 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: Starting the non-reponsive maintainter process for vda - Denys Vlasenko - dvlas...@redhat.com as he appears to have completely abandoned busybox. Anyone know him or how to contact? Hi. I'm here.

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - if your discussions leaded to the decisions also used the quoting style like in that thread only contain myself said i guess what went wrong in the first place i am still unsure if that's * intentional to mask communication * just a bad usage of your

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 02:31:58PM +, Ian Malone wrote: There are three products: workstation, server, cloud. Workstation is the one for desktop use. That leaves server to aim for the traditional fedora user base, since cloud is (understandably) a very

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bastien Nocera wrote: You're free to select another firewall zone. How, when you don't even install the firewall configuration tool by default? Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - Bastien Nocera wrote: You're free to select another firewall zone. How, when you don't even install the firewall configuration tool by default? Settings - Network, select your network - Identity - Firewall zone -- devel mailing list

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bastien Nocera wrote: Security is about compromises. The net result of the old firewall settings was people disabling the firewall. And the net result of the new firewall settings is you disabling the firewall for them, and also for all those people out there (like me) who were NOT disabling

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 16:49 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Make sure to note that I'm convinced that the new firewall settings in Fedora Workstation 21 are more secure than what was available in Fedora 20's default settings. If Reindl, Kevin or Tomas want to disagree with that, I'll give you a little

Re: Review swap -- Budgie Desktop

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 09:08:09AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: It's a sub-module because it's not a library. I know it does not have a stable api. But could it be compiled as a library? It could be, as long as it's not installed in a system-wide location. My

Re: Review swap -- Budgie Desktop

2014-12-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 11:01:50AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 09:08:09AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: It's a sub-module because it's not a library. I know it does not have a stable api. But could it be compiled as a library?

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 16:55 schrieb Bastien Nocera: You're free to select another firewall zone. How, when you don't even install the firewall configuration tool by default? Settings - Network, select your network - Identity - Firewall zone that's possible with one click? fine, then the only

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - Bastien Nocera wrote: Security is about compromises. The net result of the old firewall settings was people disabling the firewall. And the net result of the new firewall settings is you disabling the firewall for them, It's not disabled. and also for all

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2014-12-08 at 17:08 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 08.12.2014 um 16:55 schrieb Bastien Nocera: You're free to select another firewall zone. How, when you don't even install the firewall configuration tool by default? Settings - Network, select your network - Identity -

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 17:10 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Security is about compromises. The net result of the old firewall settings was people disabling the firewall. And the net result of the new firewall settings is you disabling the firewall for them, It's not disabled it is practically the

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 17:10 schrieb Bastien Nocera: There's a few more items that will be opened I'm afraid. And one of the reasons why we block root ports is to avoid regressions like rpcbind listening by default, which was due to a bug in packaging. So what you call no firewall would actually have

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - Am 08.12.2014 um 17:10 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Security is about compromises. The net result of the old firewall settings was people disabling the firewall. And the net result of the new firewall settings is you disabling the firewall for them,

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - Am 08.12.2014 um 17:10 schrieb Bastien Nocera: There's a few more items that will be opened I'm afraid. And one of the reasons why we block root ports is to avoid regressions like rpcbind listening by default, which was due to a bug in packaging. So what

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 17:17 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Am 08.12.2014 um 17:10 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Security is about compromises. The net result of the old firewall settings was people disabling the firewall. And the net result of the new firewall settings is you disabling the firewall for them,

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 17:20 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Am 08.12.2014 um 17:10 schrieb Bastien Nocera: There's a few more items that will be opened I'm afraid. And one of the reasons why we block root ports is to avoid regressions like rpcbind listening by default, which was due to a bug in packaging.

Fedora 22 planning and changes submission deadline

2014-12-08 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
Hi all! Fedora 21 is almost out of the doors (tomorrow!) and it's time to take a look closer on Fedora 22 plans. But before we move on, I'd like to ask you to help us with Fedora 21 retrospective [1]. We'd really like to know what you think went well and what did not. Fedora 22 starts with

Mate group should require galculator instead of mate-calc

2014-12-08 Thread Igor Gnatenko
Hi, my friend reported to me that mate-calc is deprected. We should use galculator instead. I've checked and found blogpost from one of mate release[0]. Please fix up comps.xml. Couldn't find bugzilla component for this. [0]http://mate-desktop.org/blog/2014-03-17-galculator-is-coming-to-mate/

Re: python-dateutil update

2014-12-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 09:10:59AM -0700, Pete Travis wrote: On Dec 8, 2014 8:51 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote: On Sun, Dec 07, 2014 at 04:45:12PM -0700, Pete Travis wrote: python-dateutil is old[0]. Fedora is carrying version 1.5, and upstream is up to 2.3 .

Re: python-dateutil update

2014-12-08 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Mon, 2014-12-08 at 17:47 +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: fedocal and python-django-tastypie are the only packages which explicitly require python-dateutil 2. If you wish, I can volunteer file bugs to change the dependency for F21 and rawhide for those two packages and do it

Re: Mate group should require galculator instead of mate-calc

2014-12-08 Thread Alexander Ploumistos
I spoke with the MATE team a few weeks ago and they said that for the time being mate-calc will remain the default. Galculator *might* make it to the 1.10 release. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread DJ Delorie
Next time, don't be 6 month late if you're going to be flippant. I, for one, am happy to welcome our new more-reasonable-less-paranoid overlords. I've been disabling my firewall for ages, as my machines are behind an enterprise firewall anyway. -- devel mailing list

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.12.2014 um 18:33 schrieb DJ Delorie: Next time, don't be 6 month late if you're going to be flippant. I, for one, am happy to welcome our new more-reasonable-less-paranoid overlords. I've been disabling my firewall for ages, as my machines are behind an enterprise firewall anyway

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread DJ Delorie
I, for one, am happy to welcome our new more-reasonable-less-paranoid overlords. I've been disabling my firewall for ages, as my machines are behind an enterprise firewall anyway that don't apply for a notebook, especially not if the enduser is=20 connected to a public WLAN and if you

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:03 PM, DJ Delorie d...@redhat.com wrote: I, for one, am happy to welcome our new more-reasonable-less-paranoid overlords. I've been disabling my firewall for ages, as my machines are behind an enterprise firewall anyway. So the target audience has shifted from

Re: Tick-tock release cadence?

2014-12-08 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 02:29:17 + Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 11:02:28AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: For us, that would mean

Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread DJ Delorie
So the target audience has shifted from developers to developers who don't understand ports, don't like user prompts and are behind enterprise firewalls. Certainly not. I've never assumed I was an average user. There are many different reasons why people might want a more open firewall

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