Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-16 Thread Peter Robinson
>> >>> > > that all being said. koji doesn't use any caching and will >> >>> > > not use the lvm plugin. we make every buildroot from scratch >> >>> > > using a fully clean environment to help with ensuring >> >>> > > reproducability. >> >> > >> >> > You can cache and still preserve reproducability

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-16 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:18:17 +0100 Miroslav Suchý wrote: > On 01/14/2015 04:00 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > >> On 01/13/2015 06:01 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > >>> > > that all being said. koji doesn't use any caching and will > >>> > > not use the lvm

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2015-01-16 at 15:39 +0100, Lubomir Rintel wrote: > > There's a chance of a successful exploitation that would result in > obtaining my privileges. Sure, gaining access to my account is bad > enough, but if I run "su" or "sudo", they have root! Along these lines, someone pointed out a ra

rawhide report: 20150116 changes

2015-01-16 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Fri Jan 16 15:03:08 UTC 2015 Broken deps for i386 -- [Sprog] Sprog-0.14-27.fc20.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.0) [aeskulap] aeskulap-0.2.2-0.19beta1.fc22.i686 requires libofstd.so.3.6 aesku

Re: F22 System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades

2015-01-16 Thread Miloslav Trmač
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015, at 04:41 PM, Colin Walters wrote: > > > If it's installing a regular file, then it won't work - the package > > (daemon) needs to create it on start. > > I filed a bug about this: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1182785 > > Though I wonder if this should

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:53:36 +0100 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Agreed. In principle, any package could affect the build of any other > package (e.g. bash version could realistically influence build > results), but we ignore this. As you say, something like this would > happen only if the

Orphaning lua-sec, lua-dbi and prosody

2015-01-16 Thread Johan Cwiklinski
Hi, I've orphaned lua-sec, lua-dbi and prosody packages. Feel free to take ownership of those ones. Regards, -- Johan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Define future of Fedora

2015-01-16 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015, at 07:31 AM, Honza Horak wrote: > Let me emphasize especially need for somebody who will be able to look > closely at and contribute to release engineering tools. > > I think it's clear that no bigger change how the fedora looks will > happen without touching the tools we u

Re: Meeting minutes for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2015-01-14)

2015-01-16 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/16/2015 05:08 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 16 January 2015 at 01:31, Bohuslav Kabrda mailto:bkab...@redhat.com>> wrote: - Original Message - > Honza Horak wrote: > > * Fedora Rings (hhorak, 12:03:21) > [snip] > >* IDEA: definition of ring 1 is a min

Re: Define future of Fedora (was: Re: FESCo and Env and Stacks WG upcoming elections nominations are open)

2015-01-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 16 January 2015 at 02:49, Honza Horak wrote: > There are not many guys interested in the Environment & Stacks WG on the > nomination page [2] so far, which is really shame. Don't loose your chance > to help moving Fedora forward! > > The main goal of this working group is to research and devel

Re: Meeting minutes for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2015-01-14)

2015-01-16 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
- Original Message - > On 16 January 2015 at 01:31, Bohuslav Kabrda < bkab...@redhat.com > wrote: > > - Original Message - > > > > Honza Horak wrote: > > > > > * Fedora Rings (hhorak, 12:03:21) > > > > [snip] > > > > > * IDEA: definition of ring 1 is a minimal set of packages

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-16 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 01/14/2015 04:00 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: >> On 01/13/2015 06:01 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: >>> > > that all being said. koji doesn't use any caching and will not use >>> > > the lvm plugin. we make every buildroot from scratch using a fully >>> > > clean environment to help with ensuring reprod

Re: Meeting minutes for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2015-01-14)

2015-01-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 16 January 2015 at 01:31, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > - Original Message - > > Honza Horak wrote: > > > * Fedora Rings (hhorak, 12:03:21) > > [snip] > > >* IDEA: definition of ring 1 is a minimal set of packages that give > > > you a functional system, with some sort of approval

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-16 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 01/15/2015 03:23 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jaroslav Reznik wrote: So it's kWarning, not kDebug and it can't be ignored by using kdebugdialog settings. There are two options - fix the underlying issue or change kWarning to kDebug - it just depends on how important it is and it seem as Harald alr

Re: [Base] Base Design WG agenda meeting 16 January 2015 15:00 UTC on #fedora-meeting

2015-01-16 Thread Phil Knirsch
On 01/16/2015 01:39 PM, Phil Knirsch wrote: Agenda: - Status buildrequires cleanup work (davids & nils!) - Docker update - Status rpm mechanisms for multiple config subpackages & factory reset files - F22 items - DevConf - Open Floor Thanks & regards, Phil Logs: Meeting ended Fri

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.01.2015 um 10:50 schrieb Björn Persson: Kevin Kofler wrote: I'm with you, debugging spam needs to go away, GUI applications have no business writing anything at all to the console, ever. Except when they have really serious errors. I once had an X problem that prevented Openoffice from

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-16 Thread Maros Zatko
On 01/16/2015 03:39 PM, Lubomir Rintel wrote: On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 13:42 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Proposed System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SSHD_PermitRootLogin_no The discussion got rather long, but I didn't see one particular

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-16 Thread Lubomir Rintel
On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 13:42 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SSHD_PermitRootLogin_no The discussion got rather long, but I didn't see one particular aspect discussed: > Remote users would not b

Re: Self Introduction: Jakub Jelen

2015-01-16 Thread Ken Dreyer
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Jiri Popelka wrote: > On 01/15/2015 04:24 PM, Jakub Jelen wrote: >> >> I look forward to future cooperation with you and thanks you all for >> doing Fedora. > > > Welcome Jakub ! Yes, welcome! - Ken -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://adm

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-16 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:19:13AM +0100, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Marcin Juszkiewicz > wrote: > > GCC change may affect binaries which will generate other output which > > will change noarch packages. > > It shouldn't change a program's behavior, unless the pr

[Base] Base Design WG agenda meeting 16 January 2015 15:00 UTC on #fedora-meeting

2015-01-16 Thread Phil Knirsch
Agenda: - Status buildrequires cleanup work (davids & nils!) - Docker update - Status rpm mechanisms for multiple config subpackages & factory reset files - F22 items - DevConf - Open Floor Thanks & regards, Phil -- Philipp Knirsch | Tel.: +49-711-96437-470 Manager Core Ser

Re: Define future of Fedora

2015-01-16 Thread Honza Horak
Let me emphasize especially need for somebody who will be able to look closely at and contribute to release engineering tools. I think it's clear that no bigger change how the fedora looks will happen without touching the tools we use currently in Fedora -- be it koji, dist-git, copr. Having s

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-16 Thread Dridi Boukelmoune
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > GCC change may affect binaries which will generate other output which > will change noarch packages. It shouldn't change a program's behavior, unless the program itself is relying on undefined behavior. Either way I would call that a b

Taskotron misses dropped subpackages

2015-01-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
Taskotron doesn't notice if subpackages have been dropped and cause unresolvable dependencies because they are not obsoleted anywhere. Examples: jogl2-javadoc, miglayout-examples, glusterfs-regression-tests rubygem-json-doc, rubygem-rake-doc, and more Yum is broken in the same way. And by desi

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-16 Thread Björn Persson
Kevin Kofler wrote: >I'm with you, debugging spam needs to go away, GUI applications have >no business writing anything at all to the console, ever. Except when they have really serious errors. I once had an X problem that prevented Openoffice from working. It showed no window, output nothing, an

Define future of Fedora (was: Re: FESCo and Env and Stacks WG upcoming elections nominations are open)

2015-01-16 Thread Honza Horak
There are not many guys interested in the Environment & Stacks WG on the nomination page [2] so far, which is really shame. Don't loose your chance to help moving Fedora forward! The main goal of this working group is to research and develop new or improved methods of developing, testing, pack

Re: against dnssec: Is DNSSEC a Government-Controlled PKI?

2015-01-16 Thread Petr Spacek
On 16.1.2015 05:19, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 07:45:00PM -0500, Neal Becker wrote: >> > I personally know nothing of the subject, but found this article, I wonder if >> > there's any truth here? If so, maybe the push for dnssec on f22 isn't as >> > wonderful as supposed: >

Re: Self Introduction: Jakub Jelen

2015-01-16 Thread Jiri Popelka
On 01/15/2015 04:24 PM, Jakub Jelen wrote: I look forward to future cooperation with you and thanks you all for doing Fedora. Welcome Jakub ! -- Jiri -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedor

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-16 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
W dniu 16.01.2015 o 09:35, Petr Spacek pisze: > Another advantage could be mass-rebuild simplification. Maybe we could save > machine and man-time by not rebuilding noarch packages because of gcc rebase > or something like that. GCC change may affect binaries which will generate other output which

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

2015-01-16 Thread Petr Spacek
On 15.1.2015 23:13, Nicolas Chauvet wrote: > 2015-01-15 20:18 GMT+01:00 Orion Poplawski : > >> On 01/15/2015 04:20 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> On 01/14/2015 03:10 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 01/12/2015 06:08 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dear Fedora developers, > > I'd like to coll

Re: Meeting minutes for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2015-01-14)

2015-01-16 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
- Original Message - > Honza Horak wrote: > > * Fedora Rings (hhorak, 12:03:21) > [snip] > >* IDEA: definition of ring 1 is a minimal set of packages that give > > you a functional system, with some sort of approval (hhorak, > > 13:31:21) > >* IDEA: ring 1 should be self

[perl-DateTime-TimeZone] Fix dependency filtering

2015-01-16 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 3e5a5586476ff5888e1636498a2dedadb23ee937 Author: Petr Písař Date: Fri Jan 16 09:32:01 2015 +0100 Fix dependency filtering perl-DateTime-TimeZone.spec | 10 ++ 1 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-DateTime-TimeZone.spec b/perl-DateTime-Tim

Re: Bodhi policy for pushing updates to stable

2015-01-16 Thread Tomas Hozza
On 01/15/2015 05:15 PM, Luke Macken wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:19:19AM +0100, Tomas Hozza wrote: > > Hi all. > > > > When upgrading F20 to F21 using FedUp, some users had a problem > > with some packages not being upgraded (e.g. [1]). The problem was > > caused by broken update path F20 ->

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

2015-01-16 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 04:12:03AM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:00 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > Jakub: > > > > I will test gcc 5 on my Rawhide aarch64 machine, if you can point me > > to either a build of it or an SRPM. So far I see no gcc 5 builds in > > either K