On Wednesday, 30 May 2018 at 21:31, Martin Gansser wrote:
> Hi Dominik,
>
> do you mean this selection ?
> https://martinkg.fedorapeople.org/attachments/pagure-acl-selection.png
Yes.
Regards,
Dominik
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On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:14:57PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Jason L Tibbitts III said:
> > If we're going to patch grub to expand the set of keys it will watch
> > for, is it possible to just expand the set to encompass all keys? We
> > don't really need to make it that hard
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:13 AM, Ken Coar wrote:
> On 05/31/2018 06:06 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III
>> wrote:
"CM" == Chris Murphy writes:
>>>
>>> Plus, there's an upside: if you're hammering F11 or F8 or F12 or Esc or
>>> whatever to
Hans de Goede writes:
> 1) . . ., no way to get to the menu
I think this steps over a line we should not cross.
There's a huge difference between HIDING grub's functionality, and
essentially DISABLING it. While I'm opposted to hiding the grub menu in
general, as long as there's some obvious wa
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Hans de Goede said:
>> On 31-05-18 15:08, Chris Adams wrote:
>> >Once upon a time, Hans de Goede said:
>> >>And for F30, single OS install we get:
>> >>
>> >>1) grub menu not shown, 0 second timeout, no way to get to the me
On 06/01/2018 02:44 PM, Randy Barlow wrote:
> The e-mail address associated with Namratha Kothapalli (nkothapa) is no
> longer valid. Does anybody know how to contact Namratha?
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1893
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On 06/01/2018 02:39 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 1:04 AM, Hans de Goede wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> First of all I want to thank everyone for their input.
>>
>> I also want to make clear that the hide the menu +
>> not listening for a keypress at all (aka fastboot) is a
>> Fed
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> On Jun 1, 2018, at 1:04 AM, Hans de Goede wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> First of all I want to thank everyone for their input.
>
> I also want to make clear that the hide the menu +
> not listening for a keypress at all (aka fastboot) is a
> Fedora 30 thing, quoting myself:
>
> "For F29, single OS Fedo
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:55 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé
wrote:
Yeah if you add the gnutls-glib-networking.config file in the RPM,
that
defeats the point IMHO, as it'll never fallback to use @SYSTEM if this
file always exists with @GLIBNETWORKING defined in it.
The idea of the mechanism was that ap
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 09:08:28AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
>> > I'm working on improving the Fedora boot experience, with the
>> > end goal being a user pressing the on button and then going
>> > to the graphical login manager without h
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 5:35 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon
wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 07:25:41PM -0400, Christopher wrote:
> >When I try to fork rpms/thrift, I get the error message:Â Repo
> >"forks/ctubbsii/thrift" already exists.
> >
> >However, it clearly does not exist. It is not lis
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 05:47:36PM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 31-05-18 15:20, Robert Marcano wrote:
> > On 05/31/2018 06:52 AM, Hans de Goede wrote:
> > > ...
> > > This will basically get us back the F28 behavior of showing the
> > > menu but only after a failed boot, I think that i
> "TK" == Tomas Kovar writes:
TK> - this one is on the polish side of things:
[don't keep bouncing to text mode]
I might also add that as part of this, we'd also need to get rid of the
very early message about EFI secure boot being enabled. Then we'd be
left only with the random kernel mess
On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 11:49:51AM -0500, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé
> wrote:
> > IIUC, glib-networking uses GNUTLS. If so, a while ago I added ability
> > to
> > specify an ordered list of named priority aliases to GNUTLS that might
> > hand
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé
wrote:
IIUC, glib-networking uses GNUTLS. If so, a while ago I added
ability to
specify an ordered list of named priority aliases to GNUTLS that
might handle
the kind of scenario you describe.
https://www.berrange.com/posts/2016/11/15/ne
Michael Watters wrote:
> What about users that don't use a graphical login manager? Personally I
> *like* seeing boot messages so that I know what is going on.
>
> Having the menu available is also quite useful for booting into rescue
> mode or selecting a different kernel.
Note, this is all ab
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:23:35PM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm working on improving the Fedora boot experience, with the
> end goal being a user pressing the on button and then going
> to the graphical login manager without him seeing any
> text messages / menus filled with techn
Well said. Seems like Fedora is slowly turning into Fisher Price My
First Linux instead of being a distro that actually respects its users.
IME people that run Fedora usually know what they're doing and trying to
obfuscate and hide things simply makes the distro *harder* to use.
On 06/01/2018 1
What about users that don't use a graphical login manager? Personally I
*like* seeing boot messages so that I know what is going on.
Having the menu available is also quite useful for booting into rescue
mode or selecting a different kernel.
On 05/31/2018 06:23 AM, Hans de Goede wrote:
> Hi All
On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 10:25:42AM -0500, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:06 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé
> wrote:
> > What is the availibility of TLS 1.2 vs 1.1/1.0 on the internet ?
> > ie how likely is this to break the ability of users to access websites
> > they care about ?
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:06 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé
wrote:
What is the availibility of TLS 1.2 vs 1.1/1.0 on the internet ?
ie how likely is this to break the ability of users to access websites
they care about ?
Yeah... this has been discussed on this list before. If this change is
made, then
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 7:23 AM, Martin Stransky
wrote:
Okay and can I apply somewhere for that?
You could apply by creating an issue here:
https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues
Still, I'm not likely to vote in favor, myself. If you're not satisifed
with adding a new action to the desk
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
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Links to all issues below ca
On 06/01/2018 10:29 AM, David Sommerseth wrote:
>
> So the menu could look something like
>
> -
> Fedora
> Recovery options
> |`- Fedora (older kernel, 4.13.0-103)
> |`- Fedora (older kernel, 4.14.5-300)
> |`- Fedora (older ke
On 06/01/2018 04:04 AM, Hans de Goede wrote:
>
> For F30, single OS Fedora Workstation install install we get:
>
> 1) grub menu not shown, 0 second timeout, no way to get to the menu
^
This scares me and I would not like to see
On 06/01/2018 05:06 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>
> It is irony, that people, who are capable to get into the grub menu if
> they need, complain about it being hidden. So to say, I am 100% for
> hiding the grub menu, speeding up the boot process, and if need it, I'll
> find a way to get it.
I fail to
On 31/05/18 12:23, Hans de Goede wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm working on improving the Fedora boot experience, with the
> end goal being a user pressing the on button and then going
> to the graphical login manager without him seeing any
> text messages / menus filled with technical jargon.
Making th
Minutes:
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init process (maxamillion, 15:03:16)
Follow Ups (maxamillion, 15:04:27)
#1890 updating the FT
Dne 1.6.2018 v 15:51 Hans de Goede napsal(a):
Hi,
On 01-06-18 15:26, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Hans de Goede said:
For F30, single OS Fedora Workstation install install we get:
1) grub menu not shown, 0 second timeout, no way to get to the menu
What I haven't seen answered is th
On 05/31/2018 07:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> Well, to unpack a bit: "let's just slap a choice in the installer!" is
> almost never the right answer.
I consider myself n00b-slapped. My only defence is my ignorance
of discussions in this area. Point taken. :-)
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On 05/31/2018 06:06 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III
> wrote:
>>> "CM" == Chris Murphy writes:
>>
>> Plus, there's an upside: if you're hammering F11 or F8 or F12 or Esc or
>> whatever to try and get into the BIOS, and you miss it, then at least
Hi,
On 01-06-18 15:26, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Hans de Goede said:
For F30, single OS Fedora Workstation install install we get:
1) grub menu not shown, 0 second timeout, no way to get to the menu
What I haven't seen answered is this: what do we really gain from this?
Your init
Once upon a time, Hans de Goede said:
> For F30, single OS Fedora Workstation install install we get:
>
> 1) grub menu not shown, 0 second timeout, no way to get to the menu
What I haven't seen answered is this: what do we really gain from this?
Your initial message said that the EFI firmware sc
On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 01:40:58PM +0200, Jan Kurik wrote:
> = Proposed System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2 =
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2
>
>
> Owner(s):
> * Tomáš Mráz
>
>
> We update the current system-wide crypto policy to further disable
On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 00:39 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Martin Stransky wrote:
> > The Wayland backend is available as an extra desktop entry.
>
> We try hard to avoid messy menus with duplicate entries, and you get away
> with adding an extra desktop entry to an application installed by default
On 06/01/2018 02:26 AM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 5:39 PM, Kevin Kofler
wrote:
We try hard to avoid messy menus with duplicate entries, and you get away
with adding an extra desktop entry to an application installed by
default on
almost all Spins, for an experimental
= Proposed System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2 =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2
Owner(s):
* Tomáš Mráz
We update the current system-wide crypto policy to further disable
legacy cryptographic protocols (TLS 1.0 and TLS 1.1) and weak
Diffie-Hellman
Hi,
On 01-06-18 11:54, Tomas Kovar wrote:
Hi all,
I have two suggestions:
- on UEFI systems, would it be possible to use an EFI variable to force grub
menu? That way, it would be possible to enter the menu from UEFI boot loader or
shell, even if the system itself is in non-working state or o
Hi,
I would like to open discussion about Copr retention policy change.
Right now we have:
> How long do you keep the builds? ¶
> We keep the last successful build from each package indefinitely. All other
> builds (old packages, failed builds) are
deleted after 14 days.
This means that we sti
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM, Till Maas wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 02:19:48AM +0200, Jan Kurik wrote:
>
>> the Voting period of the currently running Fedora Elections [0] has
>> just started. Please vote for your candidates to Council [1] and
>> Mindshare [2].
>> You can vote til
Please let me remind we have opened Voting to Fedora Council [1] and
Mindshare Committee [2]. You can vote till June 6th, 2018 when the
voting ends at 23:59:59 UTC.
On Community blog [3] you can also find interviews with all the
candidates. Please have a look at it.
[1] https://admin.fedoraprojec
Hi all,
I have two suggestions:
- on UEFI systems, would it be possible to use an EFI variable to force grub
menu? That way, it would be possible to enter the menu from UEFI boot loader or
shell, even if the system itself is in non-working state or on read-only device.
- this one is on the pol
On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 07:25:41PM -0400, Christopher wrote:
>When I try to fork rpms/thrift, I get the error message:Â Repo
>"forks/ctubbsii/thrift" already exists.
>
>However, it clearly does not exist. It is not listed
>at https://src.fedoraproject.org/user/ctubbsii , which sh
Hi,
> Side note, android's 'reboot' cmd can take an argument, like 'reboot
> fastboot' or 'reboot recovery'.. that might be one of the few features
> from android worth copying ;-)
I'm still missing something simliar to "lilo -R " in the world
of modern boot loaders. This used to set the lilo
Dne 31.5.2018 v 21:36 Jason L Tibbitts III napsal(a):
>> "JF" == John Florian writes:
> JF> Does Fedora really have that large of non-technical audience?
>
> It's an interesting question, but it seems to me that the answer doesn't
> really matter. If they're non-technical, the assumption is
Hi All,
First of all I want to thank everyone for their input.
I also want to make clear that the hide the menu +
not listening for a keypress at all (aka fastboot) is a
Fedora 30 thing, quoting myself:
"For F29, single OS Fedora Workstation install we get:
1) grub menu hidden by default with
On 06/01/2018 02:26 AM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 5:39 PM, Kevin Kofler
wrote:
We try hard to avoid messy menus with duplicate entries, and you get away
with adding an extra desktop entry to an application installed by
default on
almost all Spins, for an experimental
On 05/31/2018 05:26 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
On 05/31/2018 08:42 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
I'm fine with changing the default - I understand that under normal
circumstances most people could care less about seeing the screen - but I
do strongly agree with the comment above. When things som
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