[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Modularity Team (weekly)

2019-11-04 Thread nils
Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Modularity Team (weekly) on 2019-11-05 from 15:00:00 to 16:00:00 UTC At fedora-meetin...@irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Meeting of the Modularity Team. More information available at: [Modularity Team Docs](https://docs.pagure.o

Re: Please, IMHO, resolve in some way the Samba MIT kerberos problem.

2019-11-04 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Nico Kadel-Garcia said: > Without robust integration with AD, I have no use > for FreeIPA. And I don't know *anyone* who uses a FreeIPA server. > > Perhaps it's time to drop FreeIPA? Nope. You are assuming the everybody needs AD... lots of people have no use for AD and just wa

Re: Please, IMHO, resolve in some way the Samba MIT kerberos problem.

2019-11-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 8:46 PM Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 8:39 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > The problem with the Samba team's advice is that it essentially > > prevents the MIT Kerberos AD-DC implementation from getting any > > better. Without people using it, we can't know

Re: Please, IMHO, resolve in some way the Samba MIT kerberos problem.

2019-11-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2019-11-04 at 20:45 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 8:39 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > The problem with the Samba team's advice is that it essentially > > prevents the MIT Kerberos AD-DC implementation from getting any > > better. Without people using it, we can't kn

Re: Please, IMHO, resolve in some way the Samba MIT kerberos problem.

2019-11-04 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 8:39 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > The problem with the Samba team's advice is that it essentially > prevents the MIT Kerberos AD-DC implementation from getting any > better. Without people using it, we can't know what needs to be fixed. > The Red Hat FreeIPA team has been working

Re: Modularity and all the things

2019-11-04 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 01:14:30AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > It would be useful for that contributor to be able to say "I build these > > packages so I can ship the thing I'm invested in, but... user and other > > contributors, beware". > > > > Now, solving that isn't in the requirements mod

Re: Modularity and all the things

2019-11-04 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 06:10:33PM -0500, Randy Barlow wrote: > Consider the message that comments like this one and your last post > send. I took the time to thoughtfully put together a set of ideas that > can solve our problems in an easier and less controversial way by > learning lessons from ot

Fedora-Rawhide-20191104.n.1 compose check report

2019-11-04 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check! 3 of 45 required tests failed, 6 results missing openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING** below Unsatisfied gating requirements that could not be mapped to openQA tests: FAILED: compose.clo

Re: Modularity and all the things

2019-11-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Miller wrote: > Of course, this seems irrelevant to Fedora -- we're not on the hook to > Support anything with a capital S, and yet we often do make > community-based efforts to help with just about any softare. But there is > a related problem: sometimes, in order to package up some applic

Re: Modularity and all the things

2019-11-04 Thread Randy Barlow
On Mon, 2019-11-04 at 14:20 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > It would be useful for that contributor to be able to say "I build > these > packages so I can ship the thing I'm invested in, but... user and > other > contributors, beware". > Now, solving that isn't in the requirements modularity, but i

Re: Modularity and all the things

2019-11-04 Thread Randy Barlow
On Mon, 2019-11-04 at 14:12 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > That said, it's hard to read "I see it as a solved problem and I > don't > understand why we are trying to solve it again" as ... helpful. > Consider the message that comments like this one and your last post send. I took the time to thou

Re: Encrypted DNS in Fedora

2019-11-04 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 11/4/19 2:18 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 12:04 pm, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver Just in case of any possible confusion: this change proposal was never successfully implemented. Based on the feedbac

Re: Encrypted DNS in Fedora

2019-11-04 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 11/4/19 2:17 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: We are not going to implement this directly in glibc. You should talk to a stub resolver on 127.0.0.1 instead. We do not want to link a cryptographic library into every process that queries an Internet host name. That also applies to DNSSEC. The tran

Re: Add a rule to have a compose when Fedora branched

2019-11-04 Thread Ben Cotton
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 8:13 AM wrote: > > Could you please tell us if the post is published yet? And if so, could > you please share the link? > It is not. It will publish on Thursday. I'll share the link here when it goes up. -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Fedora Program Manager Red Hat TZ=Ameri

Re: Trouble with install ordering and SELinux config

2019-11-04 Thread Dridi Boukelmoune
On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 9:03 PM Orion Poplawski wrote: > > On 11/3/19 11:17 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 2:21 AM Orion Poplawski wrote: > >>> > >>> On 11/1/19 1:47 PM, Daniel Walsh wrote: > Flat pack should be doing a requires(post): selin

Re: Encrypted DNS in Fedora

2019-11-04 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 12:04 pm, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver Just in case of any possible confusion: this change proposal was never successfully implemented. ___ devel mailing list

Re: Encrypted DNS in Fedora

2019-11-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* Michael Cronenworth: > Hi, > > Is there any project or team involved with improving encrypted DNS > support in Fedora? Any movement in Red Hat corporate? > > - Glibc team? >     The /etc/resolv.conf file needs some love. AFAIK it still does not > verify DNSSEC. We are not going to implement

Planned Outage - Fedora Build system - 2019-11-05 21:00 UTC

2019-11-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
There will be an outage starting at 2019-11-05 21:00 UTC, which will last approximately 6 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2019-11-05 21:00 UTC' Reason for outage: We will be updating and rebooting the various serv

Re: Modularity and all the things

2019-11-04 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:07:10AM +0200, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > * Do we want to support "buildroot-only" packages? This isn't a specific goal. My understanding is that this is useful to RHEL, where Red Hat wants to ship supported software that needs software that they can't support to build. For

Re: Modularity and all the things

2019-11-04 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:07:10AM +0200, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > > How do the proposals I've mentioned not fulfill the goals? > > Are you proposing to _do_ those things, or proposing that someone else > > oughta? > I agree with Lukas that this is unfair. As we talked on the Flock, > that means on

Re: Encrypted DNS in Fedora

2019-11-04 Thread Jan Pokorný
On 04/11/19 10:40 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > IMHO, this should be our number one priority over modules, new > spins, or whatever paint color the bike shed needs to be today. > I would like to see DNS over TLS (DoT) with DTLS at the very least. I may be wrong, but it seems to me the usual

Re: Encrypted DNS in Fedora

2019-11-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 11:44, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there any project or team involved with improving encrypted DNS support in > Fedora? Any movement in Red Hat corporate? > > - Glibc team? > The /etc/resolv.conf file needs some love. AFAIK it still does not > verify DNSSE

Re: Encrypted DNS in Fedora

2019-11-04 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 10:40:47AM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any project or team involved with improving encrypted DNS support > in Fedora? Any movement in Red Hat corporate? > > - Glibc team? >     The /etc/resolv.conf file needs some love. AFAIK it still does not veri

Encrypted DNS in Fedora

2019-11-04 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Hi, Is there any project or team involved with improving encrypted DNS support in Fedora? Any movement in Red Hat corporate? - Glibc team?     The /etc/resolv.conf file needs some love. AFAIK it still does not verify DNSSEC. - Bind team?     Using 'stunnel' is not a real option. - DHCP(d & c)

Re: Please, IMHO, resolve in some way the Samba MIT kerberos problem.

2019-11-04 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On ma, 04 marras 2019, Dario Lesca wrote: Too many people (like also me) try to use samba-dc on fedora for deploy a production AD DC controller, without know that MIT kerberos is experimental and some useful things cannot work (es. win to win access). An recent last example: https://lists.samba.

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2019-11-04)

2019-11-04 Thread Miro Hrončok
= #fedora-meeting-1: FESCO (2019-11-04) = Meeting started by mhroncok at 15:01:36 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-11-04/fesco.2019-11-04-15.01.log.html . Meeting

Re: ask.fedoraproject.org - redirects?

2019-11-04 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 04. 11. 19 16:23, Randy Barlow wrote: On Sun, 2019-11-03 at 20:28 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 03. 11. 19 20:24, Miro Hrončok wrote: Hero maintenance I don't normally correct my typos on mailing lists to avoid further e-mails, but this one is particularly bad. I meant "zero" of course. So

[Bug 1766572] [RFE] EPEL8 branch of perl-Perl-Critic-Pulp

2019-11-04 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1766572 Petr Pisar changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|MODIFIED Fixed In Version|

Re: ask.fedoraproject.org - redirects?

2019-11-04 Thread Randy Barlow
On Sun, 2019-11-03 at 20:28 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 03. 11. 19 20:24, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > Hero maintenance > > I don't normally correct my typos on mailing lists to avoid further > e-mails, but > this one is particularly bad. I meant "zero" of course. Sorry about > that. I disagree t

Re: ask.fedoraproject.org - redirects?

2019-11-04 Thread Bartek
Back in May I've got all 26478 questions (from all language sections) backed-up with wget, after removing JS (embedded and standalone files) they take up ~890MiB of disk space. A few dozen questions with multiple pages of answers have only the first page with top rated answers saved. I removed a

New set of questions for FESCo candidates?

2019-11-04 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Dear all, the semiannual exercise is upon us. FESCo candidates must submit an "interview" in which they answer a set of questions (but can also add whatever they want). The question whether we should have a new set of questions needs to be answered. Currently we have the following: Mandatory Qu

Re: Fedora Modularity: What's the Problem?

2019-11-04 Thread Randy Barlow
On Mon, 2019-11-04 at 03:18 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > *Requirement*: Users must be able to discover what alternative > > software > > versions are available with tools that are shipped with the OS by > > default. > > Ideally, these should be the same tools that they are already > > comfortable

Re: List of Python 2 packages to be removed mid-November

2019-11-04 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 10:36:05PM +0900, Mamoru TASAKA wrote: > Miro Hrončok wrote on 2019/10/30 0:24: > >Dear maintainers, > >here is a list of packages that (transitively, at build or run time) require > >Python 2 and have not yet got a FESCo exception to do so. > >If you were bcced on this e-m

Re: Please, IMHO, resolve in some way the Samba MIT kerberos problem.

2019-11-04 Thread Dario Lesca
Il giorno lun, 04/11/2019 alle 08.38 -0500, Neal Gompa ha scritto: > What defines it as experimental? https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Running_a_Samba_AD_DC_with_MIT_Kerberos_KDC > Using MIT Kerberos is still considered experimental. -- Dario Lesca (inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 30 Workstation)

Re: Upgrading ODCS prod (hopefully) next week.

2019-11-04 Thread Clement Verna
On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 10:48, Jan Kaluža wrote: > Hi, > > last few weeks, I was working on ODCS upgrade in staging. This is done now > and I would like to do the same upgrade in prod. > > The ODCS running in Fedora prod infra is quite old and lot of things > changed in the upstream. Therefore this

Re: Apache Yetus

2019-11-04 Thread Javi Roman
FYI, working on in: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=38735037 -- Javi Roman Twitter: @javiromanrh GitHub: github.com/javiroman Linkedin: es.linkedin.com/in/javiroman Big Data Blog: dataintensive.info Apache Id: javiroman On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:00 PM Javi Roman wrote: > > Hi

Re: Please, IMHO, resolve in some way the Samba MIT kerberos problem.

2019-11-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 8:33 AM Dario Lesca wrote: > > Too many people (like also me) try to use samba-dc on fedora for deploy > a production AD DC controller, without know that MIT kerberos is > experimental and some useful things cannot work (es. win to win > access). > > An recent last example:

Re: List of Python 2 packages to be removed mid-November

2019-11-04 Thread Mamoru TASAKA
Miro Hrončok wrote on 2019/10/30 0:24: Dear maintainers, here is a list of packages that (transitively, at build or run time) require Python 2 and have not yet got a FESCo exception to do so. If you were bcced on this e-mail, it affects one or more of your packages. mtasaka   comix     (→ PY2

Please, IMHO, resolve in some way the Samba MIT kerberos problem.

2019-11-04 Thread Dario Lesca
Too many people (like also me) try to use samba-dc on fedora for deploy a production AD DC controller, without know that MIT kerberos is experimental and some useful things cannot work (es. win to win access). An recent last example: https://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2019-November/226845.html

Re: Add a rule to have a compose when Fedora branched

2019-11-04 Thread jkonecny
Hi Kevin, Could we please create an action item list for FESCO ticket? I guess at the end we don't want to freeze Rawhide but we should have steps required for the branched Fedora freeze. Do you know how to do that or could you point someone here please? Jirka On Sun, 2019-09-22 at 10:48 +0200,

Re: Add a rule to have a compose when Fedora branched

2019-11-04 Thread jkonecny
On Mon, 2019-10-28 at 14:29 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:43 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 02:09:04PM +0200, jkone...@redhat.com > > wrote: > > > I guess it will be easier to just think about the branching date > > > when > > > Flock schedule is creating.

Re: ask.fedoraproject.org - redirects?

2019-11-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 at 16:22, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > I do not disagree with you on this. I also know we don't have a larger > > number of system administrators, servers and time to do all the things > > many community members 'expect a project to have'. We have the

Re: ask.fedoraproject.org - redirects?

2019-11-04 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 13:19:41 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 03. 11. 19 23:32, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 at 14:29, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > > > On 03. 11. 19 20:24, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > Hero maintenance > > > > > > I don't normally correct my typos on mailing

Re: ask.fedoraproject.org - redirects?

2019-11-04 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 03. 11. 19 23:32, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 at 14:29, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 03. 11. 19 20:24, Miro Hrončok wrote: Hero maintenance I don't normally correct my typos on mailing lists to avoid further e-mails, but this one is particularly bad. I meant "zero" of course

Next NeuroFedora team meeting: 1600 UTC on Tuesday, 5th November

2019-11-04 Thread Ankur Sinha
Hello everyone, You are invited to the next NeuroFedora team meeting at 1600UTC on Tuesday 5th November. You can see the time in your local time zone by running this command in a terminal: $ date --date='TZ="UTC" 1600 next Tue' or please use the link below: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldcloc