[Bug 1809917] New: Upgrade perl-Type-Tiny to 1.010000

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1809917 Bug ID: 1809917 Summary: Upgrade perl-Type-Tiny to 1.01 Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-Type-Tiny Assignee: rc040...@freenet.de

[Bug 1809881] perl-Log-ger-0.031 is available

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1809881 Jitka Plesnikova changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |MODIFIED Fixed In Version|

Fedora-Cloud-30-20200304.0 compose check report

2020-03-03 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Passed openQA tests: 1/1 (x86_64) -- Mail generated by check-compose: https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/check-compose ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

[Bug 1809881] New: perl-Log-ger-0.031 is available

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1809881 Bug ID: 1809881 Summary: perl-Log-ger-0.031 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-Log-ger Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20200303.n.0 changes

2020-03-03 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20200302.n.1 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20200303.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:0 Dropped images: 1 Added packages: 4 Dropped packages:2 Upgraded packages: 146 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 4.33 MiB Size of dropped packages

[389-devel] 389 DS nightly 2020-03-04 - 95% PASS

2020-03-03 Thread vashirov
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/389ds/ci/nightly/2020/03/04/report-389-ds-base-1.4.3.3-20200304gitc013a02.fc31.x86_64.html ___ 389-devel mailing list -- 389-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

[EPEL-devel] Re: Ansible & Python 3 in EPEL7

2020-03-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 11:46:49AM +0100, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > Hey folks, > > We recently started to use Ansible more and we are using some ansible > collection which is not compatible with Python 2. > > Are there any plans to switch Ansible to Python 3 in EPEL7 or are > there any

Re: Automatic close of bugs for retired packages?

2020-03-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 07:47:24PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 26. 02. 20 19:38, Ben Cotton wrote: > > Components can be marked inactive in Bugzilla, which I believe will > > prevent users from filing new bugs without losing any historical data. > > Correct. We have done this with the

[389-devel] Re: Thoughts on swapping to rfc2307bis.ldif by default

2020-03-03 Thread William Brown
> On 4 Mar 2020, at 00:26, thierry bordaz wrote: > > > > On 3/3/20 11:59 AM, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: >> On ti, 03 maalis 2020, Ludwig Krispenz wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have no expertise in this area, but would like to get also Alexander's >>> opinion and view from IPA >> >> I don't have

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pocock

2020-03-03 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 03/03/2020 18:50, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, Mar 03, 2020 at 05:52:10PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> >> Thanks for doing that >> >> Here are some observations: >> >> - the original email was sent to my pocock.com.au address and so my mail >> client replied to all mails using that address,

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pocock

2020-03-03 Thread Dakota Williams via devel
On 3/3/20 4:10 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 28/02/2020 10:00, Ankur Sinha wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 17:07:21 -0500, Dakota Williams via devel wrote: On 2/26/20 6:59 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: Would you like help? I'd be willing to be a co-maintainer to make the branch. Yes, I would

Re: updates-testing and koji

2020-03-03 Thread Scott Talbert
On Tue, 3 Mar 2020, Iñaki Ucar wrote: Quick question: if a new package A is in updates-testing, is it available for koji to build another new package B that requires A? Or do I need to wait until A reaches stable? No, it is not available in the buildroot until it reaches stable. However, you

updates-testing and koji

2020-03-03 Thread Iñaki Ucar
Hi all, Quick question: if a new package A is in updates-testing, is it available for koji to build another new package B that requires A? Or do I need to wait until A reaches stable? Regards, Iñaki ___ devel mailing list --

[Bug 1809202] perl-Date-Manip-6.80 is available

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1809202 --- Comment #3 from Fedora Update System --- perl-Date-Manip-6.80-1.fc31 has been pushed to the Fedora 31 testing repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. See

Filtering devel list e-mail

2020-03-03 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 28. 02. 20 11:21, Radka Janekova wrote: > Please excuse me going completely offtopic here - for some reason I'm getting > this thread addressed directly to me. If someone's adding me as bcc please > don't, I have nothing to do with this. Hey Radka. Do you filter devel list via the "List-Id:"

Re: __pycache__ in /usr/share

2020-03-03 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 03. 03. 20 17:07, Steve Grubb wrote: According to the Linux FHS standard, /usr/share is supposed to only contain data. Executables have other places to live. If we can assume that there is only data in /usr/share, then we can remove about 330k of the items from our trust database. The files

Re: Plan to retire mapserver

2020-03-03 Thread Julien Enselme
Le mardi 3 mars 2020, 11:19:31 CET Sandro Mani a écrit : > On 02.03.20 15:06, Julien Enselme wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I intend to retire the mapserver package > > (https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mapserver). I don't use it any more > > and it fails to build for F32. If you want to maintain

[389-devel] please review: PR 50929 - Unable to create a suffix with countryName in CLI/UI

2020-03-03 Thread Mark Reynolds
https://pagure.io/389-ds-base/pull-request/50929 -- 389 Directory Server Development Team ___ 389-devel mailing list -- 389-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to 389-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pocock

2020-03-03 Thread Radka Janekova
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 1:39 PM Daniel Pocock wrote: > > On 28/02/2020 11:21, Radka Janekova wrote: > > Please excuse me going completely offtopic here - for some reason I'm > > getting this thread addressed directly to me. If someone's adding me as > > bcc please don't, I have nothing to do

[Bug 1809718] New: perl-Locale-Codes-3.63 is available

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1809718 Bug ID: 1809718 Summary: perl-Locale-Codes-3.63 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-Locale-Codes Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged

Re: GNOME 3.35.92 megaupdate

2020-03-03 Thread Igor Gnatenko
It is basically the same. The only difference is that name of the tag. On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:18 PM Kalev Lember wrote: > > > On 3/2/20 15:04, Richard Shaw wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 7:57 AM Kalev Lember > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am

[EPEL-devel] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : EPEL Steering Co

2020-03-03 Thread smooge
Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: EPEL Steering Co on 2020-03-04 from 18:00:00 to 19:00:00 GMT At freenode@fedora-meeting The meeting will be about: This is the weekly EPEL Steering Committee Meeting. A general agenda is the following: #meetingname EPEL #topic

Re: __pycache__ in /usr/share

2020-03-03 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 12:45:08 PM EST Robbie Harwood wrote: > Steve Grubb writes: > > Hello, > > > > We are working on Application Whitelisting. For this to work, we need > > to have a list of things that we trust. At the moment, that list is > > well over 400k on a desktop install. But we

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pocock

2020-03-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, Mar 03, 2020 at 05:52:10PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > Thanks for doing that > > Here are some observations: > > - the original email was sent to my pocock.com.au address and so my mail > client replied to all mails using that address, I didn't notice until > now. That address is

Re: __pycache__ in /usr/share

2020-03-03 Thread Robbie Harwood
Steve Grubb writes: > Hello, > > We are working on Application Whitelisting. For this to work, we need > to have a list of things that we trust. At the moment, that list is > well over 400k on a desktop install. But we really need to get that > smaller. Not that I disagree, but... to what end?

Re: GNOME 3.35.92 megaupdate

2020-03-03 Thread Kalev Lember
On 3/2/20 17:52, Kalev Lember wrote: On 3/2/20 14:55, Kalev Lember wrote: Hi all, I am putting together a megaupdate for GNOME 3.35.92. If you are helping with builds, please wait until we have the f32-gnome side tag (requested in https://pagure.io/releng/issue/9292) and then do the F32

Fedora-32-20200303.n.0 compose check report

2020-03-03 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Failed openQA tests: 24/171 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm) New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-32-20200302.n.0): ID: 531292 Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso apps_startstop URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/531292 ID: 531317 Test: x86_64

Fedora-IoT-32-20200303.0 compose check report

2020-03-03 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Iot dvd aarch64 Iot dvd x86_64 Failed openQA tests: 1/8 (x86_64) New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-IoT-32-20200302.0): ID: 531573 Test: x86_64 IoT-dvd_ostree-iso release_identification URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/531573 Soft failed

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pocock

2020-03-03 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 03/03/2020 17:35, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:10 AM Daniel Pocock wrote: >> >> >> >> On 28/02/2020 10:00, Ankur Sinha wrote: >>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 17:07:21 -0500, Dakota Williams via devel wrote: On 2/26/20 6:59 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> >> Would you

Re: __pycache__ in /usr/share

2020-03-03 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 11:35:07 AM EST Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dne 03. 03. 20 v 17:07 Steve Grubb napsal(a): > > However, I'm finding that on a typical system, there are about 20 > > packages that place python byte code in /usr/share. > > Can you elaborate? Which packages? What files? Sure.

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: pocock

2020-03-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:10 AM Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > > On 28/02/2020 10:00, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 17:07:21 -0500, Dakota Williams via devel wrote: > >> On 2/26/20 6:59 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > >> > > Would you like help? I'd be willing to be a co-maintainer

Re: __pycache__ in /usr/share

2020-03-03 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 03. 03. 20 v 17:07 Steve Grubb napsal(a): > However, I'm finding that on a typical system, there are about 20 packages > that place python byte code in /usr/share. Can you elaborate? Which packages? What files? -- Miroslav Suchy, RHCA Red Hat, Associate Manager ABRT/Copr, #brno,

[Bug 1809666] New: perl-Data-ObjectDriver-0.19 is available

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1809666 Bug ID: 1809666 Summary: perl-Data-ObjectDriver-0.19 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Status: NEW Component: perl-Data-ObjectDriver Keywords: FutureFeature,

[Bug 1809202] perl-Date-Manip-6.80 is available

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1809202 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA --- Comment #2 from

[Bug 1808799] perl-Dist-Zilla-6.014 is available

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1808799 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|MODIFIED|ON_QA --- Comment #2 from

[Bug 1809214] perl-Test-Deep-1.130 is available

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1809214 --- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System --- perl-Test-Deep-1.130-1.fc32 has been pushed to the Fedora 32 testing repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. See

[Bug 1799292] dspam: FTBFS in Fedora rawhide/f32

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1799292 Nathanael Noblet changed: What|Removed |Added Flags|needinfo?(nathan...@gnat.ca | |)

__pycache__ in /usr/share

2020-03-03 Thread Steve Grubb
Hello, We are working on Application Whitelisting. For this to work, we need to have a list of things that we trust. At the moment, that list is well over 400k on a desktop install. But we really need to get that smaller. According to the Linux FHS standard, /usr/share is supposed to only

Review Swap

2020-03-03 Thread clime
Hello! I would like to swap reviews with somebody. Here is my bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1809644 The package is called preproc and it is a very simple text preprocessor written in python. More info: Simple text preprocessor implementing a very basic templating

Fedora 32 compose report: 20200303.n.0 changes

2020-03-03 Thread Fedora Branched Report
OLD: Fedora-32-20200302.n.0 NEW: Fedora-32-20200303.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:0 Dropped images: 0 Added packages: 0 Dropped packages:2 Upgraded packages: 0 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 0 B Size of dropped packages:46.50 KiB Size

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Re: Ideas and proposal for removing changelog and release fields from spec file

2020-03-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2020-03-03 15:14, clime a écrit : On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 at 09:22, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le 2020-03-02 14:45, clime a écrit : > On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 12:05, Nicolas Mailhot via devel > wrote: >> >> Le 2020-03-01 02:31, clime a écrit : >> > On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 21:50, Nicolas Mailhot via

Review Swap

2020-03-03 Thread Breno Brand Fernandes
Hi, Would you want to swap reviews? This was generated with go2rpm. It should be easy to review. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1806219 Thanks ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Re: Ideas and proposal for removing changelog and release fields from spec file

2020-03-03 Thread clime
On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 at 09:38, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le 2020-03-03 07:03, clime a écrit : > > > Actually, that wouldn't work because prefix needs to be static, not > > dependent on rpm macros > > For myself, I would oppose any rpm release process that would not take > core rpm mecanisms like

Re: Anaconda RFE: change in default behaviour when adding users.

2020-03-03 Thread Lukas Ruzicka
Hello again, this was my mistake, I overlooked the fact, that I cannot start the installation when either root or user admin are set up. This behaviour seems pretty logical to me, so I am taking the previous message back. Please ignore it and sorry for the inconvenience. Lukas On Tue, Mar 3,

[389-devel] Re: Thoughts on swapping to rfc2307bis.ldif by default

2020-03-03 Thread thierry bordaz
On 3/3/20 11:59 AM, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: On ti, 03 maalis 2020, Ludwig Krispenz wrote: Hi, I have no expertise in this area, but would like to get also Alexander's opinion and view from IPA I don't have much to add to what Thierry and William covered already. Having a new draft with

Anaconda RFE: change in default behaviour when adding users.

2020-03-03 Thread Lukas Ruzicka
Hello, today I have been doing some Anaconda testing and realized that there was a change in default behaviour of Anaconda when adding users to the system. Previously: 1. The root account was not locked by default. 2. The user account was not an admin account. Currently: 1. The root

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Re: Ideas and proposal for removing changelog and release fields from spec file

2020-03-03 Thread clime
On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 at 09:22, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le 2020-03-02 14:45, clime a écrit : > > On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 12:05, Nicolas Mailhot via devel > > wrote: > >> > >> Le 2020-03-01 02:31, clime a écrit : > >> > On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 21:50, Nicolas Mailhot via devel > >> > wrote: > >> >>

HEADS UP: gdal update in rawhide and F32

2020-03-03 Thread Sandro Mani
Hi I'll be building gdal-3.0.4 in rawhide and will take care of rebuilding all dependencies. If all goes well, I'll do the same for F32. Affected packages are: bes cloudcompare dans-gdal-scripts gazebo GMT grass gtatool liblas mapnik mapserver merkaartor ncl nodejs-gdal opencv OpenSceneGraph

[Bug 1793463] Upgrade perl-Set-Object to 1.40

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1793463 Jitka Plesnikova changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |CLOSED Fixed In Version|

[Bug 1793917] perl-Test-mysqld-1.0012-4.fc32 FTBFS: DBI connect('dbname=mysql;mysql_socket=/tmp/B_Fm_kLtjo/tmp/mysql.sock;user=root','',...) failed: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' at /build

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1793917 Michal Schorm changed: What|Removed |Added CC||msch...@redhat.com --- Comment #4

HEADS UP: libgit2 0.99.x is coming to Rawhide

2020-03-03 Thread Igor Gnatenko
Hello, The libgit2 finally gets closer to 1.0 release, so this is one of "pre-releases". Of course, this involves soname bump :) The API should not be broken compared to 0.28.x, so I'm going to rebuild everything in side tag and then submit update for all the affected packages at once. Stay

[Bug 1809202] perl-Date-Manip-6.80 is available

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1809202 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |MODIFIED --- Comment #1 from

[389-devel] Re: Thoughts on swapping to rfc2307bis.ldif by default

2020-03-03 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On ti, 03 maalis 2020, Ludwig Krispenz wrote: Hi, I have no expertise in this area, but would like to get also Alexander's opinion and view from IPA I don't have much to add to what Thierry and William covered already. Having a new draft with clarifications would be nice. Given that both

[Bug 1795754] perl-Clipboard-0.22 is available

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1795754 Jitka Plesnikova changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |CLOSED CC|

[389-devel] Re: Thoughts on swapping to rfc2307bis.ldif by default

2020-03-03 Thread Ludwig Krispenz
Hi, I have no expertise in this area, but would like to get also Alexander's opinion and view from IPA Regards, Ludwig On 03/03/2020 10:17 AM, thierry bordaz wrote: On 3/3/20 4:12 AM, William Brown wrote: On 3 Mar 2020, at 11:18, William Brown wrote: On 3 Mar 2020, at 04:32,

Re: Plan to retire mapserver

2020-03-03 Thread Sandro Mani
On 02.03.20 15:06, Julien Enselme wrote: Hi all, I intend to retire the mapserver package (https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mapserver). I don't use it any more and it fails to build for F32. If you want to maintain it, please step up! I can maintain it, my FAS is smani Thanks Sandro

Fedora-IoT-33-20200303.0 compose check report

2020-03-03 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Iot dvd aarch64 Iot dvd x86_64 Failed openQA tests: 2/8 (x86_64) Old failures (same test failed in Fedora-IoT-33-20200227.0): ID: 531109 Test: x86_64 IoT-dvd_ostree-iso install_default_upload URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/531109 ID: 531110 Test:

[389-devel] Re: Thoughts on swapping to rfc2307bis.ldif by default

2020-03-03 Thread thierry bordaz
On 3/3/20 4:12 AM, William Brown wrote: On 3 Mar 2020, at 11:18, William Brown wrote: On 3 Mar 2020, at 04:32, thierry bordaz wrote: On 3/2/20 7:24 AM, William Brown wrote: Hi all, As you may know, I'm currently working on a migration utility to help move from other ldap servers

[389-devel] Re: Thoughts on swapping to rfc2307bis.ldif by default

2020-03-03 Thread thierry bordaz
On 3/3/20 4:12 AM, William Brown wrote: On 3 Mar 2020, at 11:18, William Brown wrote: On 3 Mar 2020, at 04:32, thierry bordaz wrote: On 3/2/20 7:24 AM, William Brown wrote: Hi all, As you may know, I'm currently working on a migration utility to help move from other ldap servers

[Bug 1808799] perl-Dist-Zilla-6.014 is available

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1808799 --- Comment #1 from Fedora Update System --- FEDORA-2020-a26a8be70e has been submitted as an update to Fedora 32. https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-a26a8be70e -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list

Fedora-Cloud-31-20200303.0 compose check report

2020-03-03 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Passed openQA tests: 1/1 (x86_64) -- Mail generated by check-compose: https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/check-compose ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

[Bug 1808799] perl-Dist-Zilla-6.014 is available

2020-03-03 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1808799 Jitka Plesnikova changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|MODIFIED Fixed In Version|

Re: Ideas and proposal for removing changelog and release fields from spec file

2020-03-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2020-03-03 07:03, clime a écrit : Actually, that wouldn't work because prefix needs to be static, not dependent on rpm macros For myself, I would oppose any rpm release process that would not take core rpm mecanisms like macros into account. Recording builds in changelogs without

Re: Ideas and proposal for removing changelog and release fields from spec file

2020-03-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2020-03-02 14:45, clime a écrit : On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 12:05, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: Le 2020-03-01 02:31, clime a écrit : > On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 21:50, Nicolas Mailhot via devel > wrote: >> >> Le samedi 29 février 2020 à 20:30 +0100, clime a écrit : >> Putting %{dynrel}

Re: Non-Responsive Maintainer: bsjones

2020-03-03 Thread Felix Schwarz
Hi Erich, Am 02.03.20 um 21:24 schrieb Erich Eickmeyer: > As these attempts were over a week ago, I guess my next step is to submit a > FESCo issue with the bug links. However, since this is my first post > specifically looking for bsjones unlike my previous post, perhaps I should > give it