Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread David Schwörer
On 7/10/20 11:12 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, July 9, 2020 2:19:27 PM MST Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: >> On 7/9/20 8:44 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> >>> Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: >>> * disk access is literally O(1) slower than RAM access >>> >>> This notatio

Re: [Fedora-packaging] RPM-level auto release and changelog bumping - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le dimanche 12 juillet 2020 à 13:07 -0700, Kevin Fenzi a écrit : > On Sun, Jul 05, 2020 at 02:15:23PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot via devel > wrote: > > > > This is now done in the latest code refresh and in the test copr > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/fork/nim/rpms/redhat-rpm-config/c/bc4e6a79355f3

Re: gdb says "Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/...` in core file

2020-07-13 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 16:52:41 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > warning: Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/59286' in core file. > #0 0x7f552f8b3b95 in raise () from /lib64/libc.so.6 > (gdb) > > Is this gcc, gdb, binutils, something else? gdb is older than kernel and you have t

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 14:46 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > That sounds like an excellent idea, but I'm not convinced that killing users' > processes, while there's still tons of memory free available, is actually an > improvement. I think you should rather think of "MemAvailable" as a measure

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-13 Thread Joe Orton
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 02:27:49PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > There's no reason to "update" any config, php-fpm is just an alternative > option. mod_php still works well, and doesn't need to be replaced by those > currently using it. It's still supported by the upstream, is still widely >

Re: Btrfs in Silverblue

2020-07-13 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fr, 10.07.20 18:55, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > > There's really no need to complicate things by pushing btrfsisms into > > user-visible concepts needlessly. > > It's been this way in Fedora for a decade. Well, that's an argument one could also use against btrfs. We are try

[Test-Announce] Fedora 33 Rawhide 20200713.n.0 nightly compose nominated for testing

2020-07-13 Thread rawhide
Announcing the creation of a new nightly release validation test event for Fedora 33 Rawhide 20200713.n.0. Please help run some tests for this nightly compose if you have time. For more information on nightly release validation testing, see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: [fedora-java] Mass rebuild for f33-java11 side tag completed

2020-07-13 Thread Mat Booth
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 09:24, Jiri Vanek wrote: > > Hello! > > toatal packages: 610 > passed: 427 > failed: 176 > > From the failures, there is 29 which passed in the copr before, and now are thus failing from two > reasons - unrelated change, or non-intel64-arch failure. I will put this to FTBF b

Mass rebuild for f33-java11 side tag completed

2020-07-13 Thread Jiri Vanek
Hello! toatal packages: 610 passed: 427 failed: 176 From the failures, there is 29 which passed in the copr before, and now are thus failing from two reasons - unrelated change, or non-intel64-arch failure. I will put this to FTBF bugs for those 29 pacakges, In Monday, or as other duties allo

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20200713.n.0 changes

2020-07-13 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20200710.n.1 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20200713.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:3 Dropped images: 4 Added packages: 5 Dropped packages:2 Upgraded packages: 296 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 30.48 MiB Size of dropped packages

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:59:24AM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > It'd be as simple as accepting ngompa's PR, here: > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/php/pull-request/4 > > Remi has rejected the PR. There is really nothing more to discuss here, > and I cannot really see you are making a produc

Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2020-07-13 Thread Miro Hrončok
The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Note: If

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-13 Thread Przemek Klosowski via devel
On 7/10/20 5:22 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: Android, actually, is trying to get it right by a) being a platform so that common security updates are available from the platform owner, and can be applied to everyone's system and b) having a secure remote update method. The problem with implementi

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2020-07-13 Thread Gwyn Ciesla via devel
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Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, July 13, 2020 2:59:24 AM MST Joe Orton wrote: > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 02:27:49PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > There's no reason to "update" any config, php-fpm is just an alternative > > option. mod_php still works well, and doesn't need to be replaced by those > > currently

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, July 13, 2020 1:58:30 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > But, I also think that the people proposing this have done quite a lot > of testing to find reasonable values for various scenarios. If they > have done their job correctly, then EarlyOOM will *not* prevent you > from fully utilizing yo

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, July 13, 2020 7:52:51 AM MST Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: > On 7/10/20 5:22 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > >> Android, actually, is trying to get it right by a) being a platform so > >> that common security updates are available from the platform owner, and > >> can be applied to e

Re: Btrfs in Silverblue

2020-07-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:12 AM Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Fr, 10.07.20 18:55, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > > > > There's really no need to complicate things by pushing btrfsisms into > > > user-visible concepts needlessly. > > > > It's been this way in Fedora for a decade

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:22 AM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Monday, July 13, 2020 1:58:30 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > > But, I also think that the people proposing this have done quite a lot > > of testing to find reasonable values for various scenarios. If they > > have done their job corre

Re: Btrfs in Silverblue

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, July 13, 2020 3:12:22 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fr, 10.07.20 18:55, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > > > > > There's really no need to complicate things by pushing btrfsisms into > > > user-visible concepts needlessly. > > > > > > > > It's been this way in Fe

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Mon, 2020-07-13 at 08:21 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Monday, July 13, 2020 1:58:30 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > > But, I also think that the people proposing this have done quite a lot > > of testing to find reasonable values for various scenarios. If they > > have done their job corre

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread Alexey A.
> MemAvailable is a bad heuristic, it does *not* represent "free" > memory. MemAvailable is a good heuristic, it does represent available memory. вт, 14 июл. 2020 г. в 00:49, Benjamin Berg : > On Mon, 2020-07-13 at 08:21 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Monday, July 13, 2020 1:58:30 AM MS

Re: SwapOnZRAM and how it affects earlyoom thresholds

2020-07-13 Thread Alexey A.
> Upon reading the SwapOnZRAM feature proposal, I see it is advocating > allocating 50% of ram for swap 50% means zram disksize (max size of uncompressed data stored in zram device) = 50% MemTotal. This data will be compressed, so, its size in RAM will be smaller than 50% MemTotal (maybe 25% with

Re: Need assistance to build openshadinglanguage

2020-07-13 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 12/07/20 12:52 +0100, Ian McInerney wrote: On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 12:46 PM Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 12/07/20 12:33 +0100, Ian McInerney wrote: This is what the upstream project explicitly says to do when using LLVM10: > https://github.com/imageworks/OpenShadingLanguage/blob/master/src/

Re: SwapOnZRAM and how it affects earlyoom thresholds

2020-07-13 Thread Alexey A.
> The most > common value I've found over a long period of time, for swap without > hibernation is 50% of RAM. With low RAM (2G) it's easy to use swap on zram with disksize = 150% MemTotal with opening browsers. 50% maybe OK with MemTotal=8G. > I'd like to hear from Alexey what he thinks about f

Re: gdb says "Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/...` in core file

2020-07-13 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:25:36AM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 16:52:41 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > warning: Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/59286' in core file. > > #0 0x7f552f8b3b95 in raise () from /lib64/libc.so.6 > > (gdb) > > > > Is this

Re: SwapOnZRAM and how it affects earlyoom thresholds

2020-07-13 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 01:28 +0900, Alexey A. wrote: > > The most > > common value I've found over a long period of time, for swap > > without > > hibernation is 50% of RAM. > > With low RAM (2G) it's easy to use swap on zram with disksize = 150% > M

Re: Policy for Modules in Fedora and Fedora ELN - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread Vít Ondruch
Is this just about the specific URL or also about the "Naming Policy"? I am asking, because I already had a lot of arguments about the branching on this list and various different places but this guideline still insist that "using upstream major versions as branches is recommended". This is not ac

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/13/20 8:21 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Monday, July 13, 2020 1:58:30 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: But, I also think that the people proposing this have done quite a lot of testing to find reasonable values for various scenarios. If they have done their job correctly, then EarlyOOM will *

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, July 13, 2020 10:48:03 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 7/13/20 8:21 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Monday, July 13, 2020 1:58:30 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > > > >> But, I also think that the people proposing this have done quite a lot > >> of testing to find reasonable values f

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 00:55 +0900, Alexey A. wrote: > > MemAvailable is a bad heuristic, it does *not* represent "free" > > memory. > > MemAvailable is a good heuristic, it does represent available > memory. Maybe. But the point is that I expect a system to be in trouble long before the value of

Re: Btrfs in Silverblue

2020-07-13 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mo, 13.07.20 09:23, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > I offer it to contradict the assertion that the current arrangement is > "pushing btrfsisms". It is originally Fedora. And having to use btrfs > specific commands to set/get the default, as you propose, is the > "btrfsism" - in

Re: [fedora-java] Re: Mass rebuild for f33-java11 side tag completed

2020-07-13 Thread Jiri Vanek
> > A cursory glance shows that some failed with network problems. E.g. > plexus-velocity failed with this: > > DEBUG util.py:621:  Errors during downloading metadata for repository 'build': > DEBUG util.py:621:    - Curl error (18): Transferred a partial file for > http://kojipkgs-cache01.s390.

Re: Btrfs in Silverblue

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, July 13, 2020 11:13:50 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mo, 13.07.20 09:23, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > > > > I offer it to contradict the assertion that the current arrangement is > > "pushing btrfsisms". It is originally Fedora. And having to use btrfs > > sp

Re: gdb says "Unexpected size of section `.reg-xstate/...` in core file

2020-07-13 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 18:32:10 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > gdb-9.2-2.fc33.x86_64 which is the latest rawhide build... Does gdb need > updating? You may rather ask at gdb -at - sourceware.org. Jan ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fed

Mock package is installed, but 'mock' group is missing; what pkg creates the group?

2020-07-13 Thread PGNet Dev
i've installed a minimal F32 instance building up the rpmbuild env, 'mock' pkg is installed rpm -qa | grep mock mock-core-configs-32.6-1.fc32.noarch mock-2.3-1.fc32.noarch there's _no_ expected 'mock' group installed getent group mock

Re: Mock package is installed, but 'mock' group is missing; what pkg creates the group?

2020-07-13 Thread Jerry James
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:15 PM PGNet Dev wrote: > i can easily manually create the group, but ... this suggests something's > missing/broken in my install; I'd like to find/fix it. > > if not 'mock' what pkg (re)install creates the mock group? The mock-core-configs package is supposed to do tha

Firefox 78.0.2 for F32

2020-07-13 Thread Bojan Smojver via devel
Would someone with sufficient powers mind queueing up this update? Thanks, -- Bojan___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedorapr

Re: Mock package is installed, but 'mock' group is missing; what pkg creates the group?

2020-07-13 Thread PGNet Dev
On 7/13/20 3:20 PM, Jerry James wrote: > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:15 PM PGNet Dev wrote: >> i can easily manually create the group, but ... this suggests something's >> missing/broken in my install; I'd like to find/fix it. >> >> if not 'mock' what pkg (re)install creates the mock group? > > Th

Re: Firefox 78.0.2 for F32

2020-07-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 08:33:04AM +1000, Bojan Smojver via devel wrote: > Would someone with sufficient powers mind queueing up this update? I would assume that person would be the one who built it... perhaps there's some reason for not wanting to push it yet. (CCing builder here) kevin sig

Re: Btrfs in Silverblue

2020-07-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:14 PM Lennart Poettering wrote: > Quite frankly, I don't see why the boot loader should care about the > btrfs subvolume the initrd later picks at all. As far as I'm aware, rootflags= is a kernel boot parameter, and it informs the kernel of mount options for the file s

Re: Btrfs in Silverblue

2020-07-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:14 PM Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Mo, 13.07.20 09:23, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > > > Since it's mostly bootloader domain, and relates to a snapshot and > > rollback paradigm as well, I think it's properly addressed in design > > and planning tha

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:56 AM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Monday, July 13, 2020 10:48:03 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 7/13/20 8:21 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > On Monday, July 13, 2020 1:58:30 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > > > > > >> But, I also think that the people proposing

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:00 PM Benjamin Berg wrote: > > If MemAvailable drops below 250MiB (roughly 6GiB * 4%), then this means > that we have less than 500MiB left for file caches. If we can't swap > (remember, swap is already pretty full too), then a big chunk of these > caches need to be drop

Re: Need assistance to build openshadinglanguage

2020-07-13 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
On 2020-07-12 1:22 p.m., Robert-André Mauchin wrote: On Sunday, 12 July 2020 22:13:54 CEST Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Thank you for Thumbleweed spec file. With some adjustment, the build almost succeed as the shaders path managed to fail. On 2020-07-11 12:46 p.m., Robert-André Mauchin wrote: