On 4/21/23 23:38, Ben Cotton wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 4:05 PM Maxwell G wrote:
>>
>> What evidence shows that the group is ever shrinking? I often see Self
>> Introduction posts and new people interacting with project. I suppose
>> that whether they continue interacting afterwards is
On 4/21/23 23:04, Maxwell G wrote:
> Hi Matthew,
>
>
> On Thu Apr 20, 2023 at 17:20 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote
>> As it is, devel list is too much for many people to follow — people
>> we’d like to have around.
>
> I disagree. I find mailing lists much easier to deal with. They're all
> in one
On 4/21/23 20:52, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 08:24:14AM +0300, Benson Muite wrote:
>> However, it doesn't seem like we can hack on it to better suite
>> community needs, for example to have the same functionality as mailing
>> lists[2]. It is not standards driven and is
Seems to be up now again, atleast from my end here in Sweden with
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>
> Following up on this, Firecracker has been accepted and submitted to
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>
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Matthew Miller writes:
I don't think this is _really_ a "there are two kinds of people in the
world..." situation. Of course there are some people who have preferences
(strong or weak) for one or the other, and completely legitimate pros and
cons to each. But I don't want to "trade" anyone. I'd
On 4/21/23 23:20, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Matthew Miller:
Big threads are … bad, actually
---
When we have something to talk about, it tends to explode into a big
thread. The thing in January with FESCo’s frame pointers decision
On Fri, 2023-04-21 at 23:20 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
>
> > For lists that are active, the split is confusing — when should
> > something be on the packaging list rather than devel? What happens when
> > something is related to both Cloud and Server, or Workstation and KDE?
> > One can post to
* Matthew Miller:
> Big threads are … bad, actually
> ---
>
> When we have something to talk about, it tends to explode into a big
> thread. The thing in January with FESCo’s frame pointers decision
>
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On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 04:38:28PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
> There are a lot of questions left unanswered by this quick analysis,
> but there's a clear trend in fewer participants over time. In fact,
> last month had the second smallest participant count (tied with
> October 2022). Of course,
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 3:39 PM Ben Cotton wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 4:05 PM Maxwell G wrote:
> >
> > What evidence shows that the group is ever shrinking? I often see Self
> > Introduction posts and new people interacting with project. I suppose
> > that whether they continue
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 12:24 AM Benson Muite
wrote:
>
> On 4/21/23 04:24, Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
> >> I am proposing that over the course of 2023, starting with the Changes
> >> process, we move Fedora development conversations from this mailing list to
>
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 4:05 PM Maxwell G wrote:
>
> What evidence shows that the group is ever shrinking? I often see Self
> Introduction posts and new people interacting with project. I suppose
> that whether they continue interacting afterwards is another question.
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On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 8:25 PM Chris Adams wrote:
>
> Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
> > I am proposing that over the course of 2023, starting with the Changes
> > process, we move Fedora development conversations from this mailing list to
> > the Discourse-based Fedora Discussion.
>
>
Hi Matthew,
On Thu Apr 20, 2023 at 17:20 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote
> As it is, devel list is too much for many people to follow — people
> we’d like to have around.
I disagree. I find mailing lists much easier to deal with. They're all
in one place, they're synced between my devices, and I
On 4/21/23 20:44, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 07:39:17PM +0200, Jaroslav Prokop wrote:
I am, luckily, not paid to read forums
with no threading. IMO, a stream of posts with mentions of previous
posts is not threading. Threading begins and ends
on new topic posts AFAICT on
Not quoting anything in particular, just my opinion and a +1.
Being a solid Gen X'er I'm comfortable in both worlds. I will say that I've
found the large volume of emails between Fedora and MythTV (though it's
slowed in the last few years) occasionally overwhelming.
The first thing I do almost
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 08:53:26PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> 1. Python discussions are no longer at the same place as all the
> other discussions (my Thunderbird). This is a big one for me. I
> cannot primarily use the Discourse web interface on
> discuss.python.org because I simply won't go
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 07:05:05PM +0100, Tom Hughes via devel wrote:
> >"Mailing list mode" was a specific thing in earlier versions of Discourse —
> >it sent a notification for every message posted. This is kind of like going
> It's still a thing in current versions, it just doesn't seem to be
>
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:54:09AM -0400, JT wrote:
> So I'm interested by what you bring up here. Have you run into situations
> where someone wanted to contribute to development but was unwilling to use
> a mailing list? With a community as big as Fedora and with a multitude of
I talk to a
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>
> * Cancel all builds that are in progress. Maintainers can resubmit after
> the outage with the appropriate branches.
> * unpush all updates stuck in gating/pending? Is this too much?
> * do the branching steps, get everything in place, then
On 20. 04. 23 23:20, Matthew Miller wrote:
I propose that we transition devel list, and eventually most of our
mailing lists, to Fedora Discussion (our Discourse-powered forum).
Python recently transitioned from a mailing list (python-dev) to Discourse
(discuss.python.org).
Challenges I
On Fri, 2023-04-21 at 14:27 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:37:20AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > So I registered the account, added the email I want to get
> > notifications at, and selected a few topics.
> >
> > First impressions.
> >
> > It is absolutely confusing to
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 07:39:17PM +0200, Jaroslav Prokop wrote:
> >>I am, luckily, not paid to read forums
> >>with no threading. IMO, a stream of posts with mentions of previous
> >>posts is not threading. Threading begins and ends
> >>on new topic posts AFAICT on discourse.
> >
> >It's not
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:37:20AM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> So I registered the account, added the email I want to get
> notifications at, and selected a few topics.
>
> First impressions.
>
> It is absolutely confusing to figure out how to watch topics.
> If you select a category and a topic
On Fri, 2023-04-21 at 09:11 +, Michael J Gruber wrote:
>
> In any case, we have quite a fragmentation right now with the MLs,
> forum (discourse), IRC, Matrix, plus tickets on various platforms
> (bz, dist-git, pagure, gitlab) some of which offer teams and
> discussions, too. Choice is good,
On Fri, 2023-04-21 at 11:00 -0400, Solomon Peachy via devel wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 04:55:00PM +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> > I agree there's a huge lack of netiquette in Fedora's mailing lists,
> > with wholesale quoting, top-posting, subjects not being updated, etc but
> > changing
On Fri, 21 Apr 2023 at 14:07, Ralf Corsépius wrote:
>
>
> Am 21.04.23 um 16:15 schrieb Solomon Peachy via devel:
> > On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:42:20AM +0200, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
>
> >> In all seriousness, I would advise you to hang out at the current
> >> discussion.fedoraproject.org and
Am 21.04.23 um 16:15 schrieb Solomon Peachy via devel:
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:42:20AM +0200, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
In all seriousness, I would advise you to hang out at the current
discussion.fedoraproject.org and feel the vibe a bit.
You kinda just demonstrated my point --
On 21/04/2023 18:52, Matthew Miller wrote:
"Mailing list mode" was a specific thing in earlier versions of Discourse —
it sent a notification for every message posted. This is kind of like going
to Hyperkitty and saying "subscribe me to all 600 lists". I don't recommend
that. Instead, choose
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:02:15AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> I really can't imagine a change for me (and I apologize if that sounds
> really "grumpy old man"... which I guess it starting to apply to me,
> since I was in college when a friend told me about some guy in Finland
> saying "hey Minix
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 08:24:14AM +0300, Benson Muite wrote:
> However, it doesn't seem like we can hack on it to better suite
> community needs, for example to have the same functionality as mailing
> lists[2]. It is not standards driven and is primarily developed by one
> company - something
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This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes
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by the Fedora Engineering Steering
On 4/21/23 17:42, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 10:50:42AM +0200, Jarek Prokop wrote:
also drives us towards more scattered communications. Our infamous
mega-threads are not really effective for getting to community
consensus, and tend to bring out the worst in us.
Passionate
Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:07:16AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
> > > * also, to fix typos :)
> >
> > So, I will say this is kind of a peeve of mine about server-based
> > discussion systems (whether web or client
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:07:16AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
> > * also, to fix typos :)
>
> So, I will say this is kind of a peeve of mine about server-based
> discussion systems (whether web or client like Slack/Discord): allowing
> people to edit
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 1:15 PM Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 10:47:24AM -0400, JT wrote:
> > While there definitely was an increase in interaction with people, that
> > also came at a cost. Two or three devs having a conversation in a thread
> > would also have to deal with a
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 10:47:24AM -0400, JT wrote:
> While there definitely was an increase in interaction with people, that
> also came at a cost. Two or three devs having a conversation in a thread
> would also have to deal with a dozen or so no- devs chiming in on the
> situation and putting
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 04:14:33PM +0200, Peter Boy wrote:
> You put it very nicely. I have been desperately trying to follow new posts
> under the tag #server via email notification. Total failure. I missed
> everything.
What could have made that go better?
> A nice collection of "bells and
Matthew Miller writes:
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 08:45:31AM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
>> I will just make the point that, when you make this switch, you will be
>> missing people as well. Projects that switch to forum systems, to a
>> great extent, go dark for people who aren't immersed in
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 10:31:04AM +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> I actually quite like Discourse - for a forum software - from
> experience related to various freetime activities.
>
> However, Discourse replacing mailing lists WILL be the end of
> habitually skimming through everything that
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 09:38:26AM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:
> My main trouble with Discourse and other places where I try to help
> people with answers to their questions is that forums promote a drive-by
> questions without further engagement. This experience is opposite to
> what forum
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:07:16AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
> > * also, to fix typos :)
>
> So, I will say this is kind of a peeve of mine about server-based
> discussion systems (whether web or client like Slack/Discord): allowing
> people to edit
On 4/21/23 18:07, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
* also, to fix typos :)
So, I will say this is kind of a peeve of mine about server-based
discussion systems (whether web or client like Slack/Discord): allowing
people to edit messages, especially after people have
TLDR; I'm in the "please, not a web forum" camp, but I also
feel like this is effectively a foregone conclusion,
unfortunately.
As a maintainer of a small number of packages, I follow
devel to keep up with changes affecting the distribution and
occasionally chime in or find areas where I can help
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 08:45:31AM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> I will just make the point that, when you make this switch, you will be
> missing people as well. Projects that switch to forum systems, to a
> great extend, go dark for people who aren't immersed in them all the
> time. Keeping
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 08:27:06AM -0400, Robert Marcano via devel wrote:
> I forgot to add. Discourse is worse for mobile users, the "app" was
> just an embedded web browser, the only thing efficient it did was to
> get a notification and remembering your session, everything else is
> worse that
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 12:07 PM Chris Adams wrote:
>
> So, I will say this is kind of a peeve of mine about server-based
> discussion systems (whether web or client like Slack/Discord): allowing
> people to edit messages, especially after people have replied to them,
> is a bad idea. Person 1
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 05:07:28PM +0200, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
> No, not really. I advised you to look into it, because you may actually get
> more from it personally, than you currently expect. I haven't proposed it to
> become a required Fedora activity, I gave you the unsolicited advice.
Il 21/04/23 17:37, Simo Sorce ha scritto:
> On Fri, 2023-04-21 at 10:44 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 08:24:48PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
>>> Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
I am proposing that over the course of 2023, starting with the Changes
process,
Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
> * also, to fix typos :)
So, I will say this is kind of a peeve of mine about server-based
discussion systems (whether web or client like Slack/Discord): allowing
people to edit messages, especially after people have replied to them,
is a bad idea.
Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 08:24:48PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> > I have seen this
> > done multiple times over the years, tried to follow a few times, and
> > always dropped off fairly rapidly. I'm solidly in the "email list
> > users" group.
>
> Is
> But with my Fedora Ambassador hat on I can tell you that the problem
we see right now is not that we don't have people coming to Fedora. We have
a problem helping people to connect to where the work is happening in a way
that they can contribute.
> And this includes both mentoring them to be
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 10:50:42AM +0200, Jarek Prokop wrote:
> >also drives us towards more scattered communications. Our infamous
> >mega-threads are not really effective for getting to community
> >consensus, and tend to bring out the worst in us.
>
> Passionate people generate passionate
On Fri, 2023-04-21 at 10:44 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 08:24:48PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
> > > I am proposing that over the course of 2023, starting with the Changes
> > > process, we move Fedora development conversations
On 4/21/23 17:27, Daniel Alley wrote:
If one uses OpenPGP and if people verify it
As you mention, that's a big "if"
Absolutely, and if the majority does not verify in the devel mailing
list, it is clearly an indicator that this type of security is not
relevant here ;) But finally, I am not
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 04:55:00PM +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> * Kevin P. Fleming [21/04/2023 10:03] :
> >
> > lots of people say "I decide
> > what to read based on what I see in my email client", but when the subject
> > of the emails doesn't
> If one uses OpenPGP and if people verify it
As you mention, that's a big "if"
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Following up on this, Firecracker has been accepted and submitted to
Fedora. Thanks to Fabio for all of the Rust reviews.
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Some quick comments on the TODO
On 4/21/23 16:30, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
On 4/21/23 15:25, Christopher Klooz wrote:
Just a slight addition about "archaic email" and related comments:
Email and its capability for being used in conjunction with OpenPGP
ensures two major institutions in kernel development and elsewhere:
On 4/21/23 16:15, Solomon Peachy via devel wrote:
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:42:20AM +0200, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
That's a slight exaggeration of course, but so is your statement. People
come to Fedora via many ways. But I doubt any of it starts with e-mail
nowadays. And the fact that you
On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 06:01:51PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Well, I just opened the tags box and typed 'qa', and got...#fedora-qa ,
> #qa, and #qa-team . So it looks like some maintenance might be in
> order. :D Is there any way to 'guide' people to use 'standard' tags?
Ah, see, this is a
> Am 21.04.2023 um 14:27 schrieb Chris Adams :
>
> I can't
> automatically keep copies and archive them. For example, I can in
> seconds tell you when my first post here was
This is an extremely important criterion to consider when renewing our
communications tools.
I can arrange
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 04:55:00PM +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> I agree there's a huge lack of netiquette in Fedora's mailing lists,
> with wholesale quoting, top-posting, subjects not being updated, etc but
> changing mediums seems far more expensive than asking people to post
> emails that
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* Kevin P. Fleming [21/04/2023 10:03] :
>
> lots of people say "I decide
> what to read based on what I see in my email client", but when the subject
> of the emails doesn't reflect their contents, that's a losing proposition.
I agree there's a huge
> I am very much in favor of modernizing our communication tools. But I
don't think this is the way to go (but I don't know anything better, except
maybe a more "traditional", more structured forum).
I'm up for modernizing things and making them more efficient as well,
though as Matthew replied
I suppose it's ironically suitable that my first attempt to send the
following failed because I wasn't actually subscribed to the list...
Matthew Miller writes:
> We’re missing people
>
I will just make the point that, when you make this switch, you will be
missing people
On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 08:24:48PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
> > I am proposing that over the course of 2023, starting with the Changes
> > process, we move Fedora development conversations from this mailing list to
> > the Discourse-based Fedora
On 4/21/23 15:25, Christopher Klooz wrote:
Just a slight addition about "archaic email" and related comments:
Email and its capability for being used in conjunction with OpenPGP
ensures two major institutions in kernel development and elsewhere:
"Trusting the developers, not infrastructure"
> Am 21.04.2023 um 16:15 schrieb Solomon Peachy via devel
> :
>
> You kinda just demonstrated my point -- "hanging out at
> and feel the vibe" is going to take time, attention, and distruption.
> My total available time/attention is fixed, which means this "hanging
> out" will have to
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 08:24:14AM +0300, Benson Muite wrote:
> As such, simply adopting it because it can be deployed may leave out
> many contributors, in particular those who drive development forward.
I have made this point several times in other contexts; a new
tool/workflow has to yield
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:42:20AM +0200, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
> That's a slight exaggeration of course, but so is your statement. People
> come to Fedora via many ways. But I doubt any of it starts with e-mail
> nowadays. And the fact that you don't see newcomers _here_ actually proves
>
> Am 21.04.2023 um 15:37 schrieb Emmanuel Seyman :
>
> * Fulko Hew [20/04/2023 21:18] :
>>
>> Can you say the same for Discourse?
>
> ... leave a lot to be desired. So much so that
You put it very nicely. I have been desperately trying to follow new posts
under the tag #server via email
On 4/20/23 17:20, Matthew Miller wrote:
Most of the conversation was under the subject “Schedule for Tuesday's
FESCo Meeting (2023-01-03)”, because everything started as a reply to
that. That’s pretty easy to overlook. It’s possible for replies to
change the subject when replying, but that
* Fulko Hew [20/04/2023 21:18] :
>
> Can you say the same for Discourse?
I've tried using Fedora Discussions and its email notifications (both
the text and html versions) leave a lot to be desired. So much so that
I never actually go on to read the discussions.
Emmanuel
Just a slight addition about "archaic email" and related comments:
Email and its capability for being used in conjunction with OpenPGP
ensures two major institutions in kernel development and elsewhere:
"Trusting the developers, not infrastructure" [1], and, assume "any part
of the
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 9:53 AM Stepan Horacek wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I am a software engineer working at Red Hat. Currently, I maintain TPM
> packages in RHEL. One of those packages is the tss2 package, and I would
> like to become a co-maintainer of the tss2 package in Fedora.
>
>
On 4/21/23 8:17 AM, Robert Marcano wrote:
On 4/20/23 5:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new
===
As someone that read this list 99% ot the time and 1% for replying, I
have no
Once upon a time, Marius Schwarz said:
> - you are required to work with tools that specific service offers
I think this is my biggest complaint with any web forum - unlike email,
where users can choose clients that work the way they like, learning and
customizing them, web forums force a
On 4/20/23 5:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new
===
As someone that read this list 99% ot the time and 1% for replying, I
have no problem with having a web based forum for
Like many of you, I have built up a lot of workflow around my email.
I'm on several dozen Fedora mailing lists, so I heavily filter my
inbox. In fact, that's one of the areas where I'm least enthusiastic
about a large-scale move to Fedora Discussion. Our tag-based setup
makes it very difficult for
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 1:22 AM Simo Sorce wrote:
>
> Hi Matthew, you say: "We're missing people", and I think, "who?".
> And who are you going to miss if you move to discourse?
>
> I will be candid, I tried to use forums since the old phpBB times, it
> never works for me.
> I have no time to go
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It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new
===
My first post on this list was over 19 years ago. (It was about
Bugzilla. I was a fan!) Ever since those early days, devel list has
been the heart and center of Fedora
Hi,
On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 07:21:54PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> The mailing list make messages land in my client, on which I am very
> efficient, therefore I can check all messages once a day, and respond
> if I find a worthy topic.
>
> Unless this discourse has some great mail bridge (it
Hi,
On 4/21/23 10:47, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
I agree with most of your points, but I wanted to comment on the Change
process.
(...skipped a lot...)
First, I’d like to move the Changes discussion. They will still be
posted to devel-announce, but responses directed to Project Discussion
I know Matthew mentioned long replies to long posts as a problem, so
I'll do what on discourse would be an emoticon to sum a complex
discussion:
+1 Simo :)
Cheers,
Mario
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 1:22 AM Simo Sorce wrote:
>
> Hi Matthew, you say: "We're missing people", and I think, "who?".
>
On 21-04-2023 12:46, Sandro wrote:
I need to package vkbasalt-cli [1] as a dependency for Bottles. Bottles
will use the Python library, but vkbasalt-cli also provides a command
for independent/direct usage.
And here is the missing link:
[1] https://gitlab.com/TheEvilSkeleton/vkbasalt-cli
Am 21.04.23 um 01:34 schrieb Stephen Smoogen:
That said, I don't think I will be greatly active after the move. I
have tried Discourse for a year, but have found it to be like every
forum and BBS I have tried for the last 30 years.. frustrating and needy.
ACK.
- you do not see, what new
Announcing the creation of a new nightly release validation test event
for Fedora 39 Rawhide 20230421.n.0. Please help run some tests for this
nightly compose if you have time. For more information on nightly
release validation testing, see:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki
On 4/21/23 02:57, Solomon Peachy via devel wrote:
On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 07:21:54PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
Hi Matthew, you say: "We're missing people", and I think, "who?".
And who are you going to miss if you move to discourse?
Again and again I have seen this "we're missing people"
How dare you - I'm glad you did :)
Even though I'm a "mail/mailing list guy" using TUI MUAs, I found myself
turning delivery off on many high volume MLs where the volume does not
correspond to my contributor's frequency. I even read fedora-devel via
hyperkitty's web interface, which is really
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