[rawhide] ICU upgrade to 73.2

2023-07-11 Thread Frantisek Zatloukal
Hi, Later today, I'll be starting with rebuilds of packages depending on icu. The rebuilds will take place in f39-build-side-69764 for all packages returned by repoquery --whatrequires 'libicu*.so.72()(64bit)' (list cleaned up, converted to source package names, attached at the end of the message)

Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-11 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi, On Thursday, 2023-07-06 17:10:24 +0100, Aoife Moloney wrote: > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation-system-wide/85320 So this is how a bit harsher criticism on Discourse is handled? By flagging and hiding? https://discu

Orphaned python-guizero

2023-07-11 Thread Miro Hrončok
Hey, I've just orphaned python-guizero. it used to be a dependency of mu, but at least since Fedora 37 it has not been. The package fails to build with Python 3.12 and hence fails to install. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2220265 -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhr

Immutable Variants & Persistence

2023-07-11 Thread Jonathan Steffan
Hello, During a recent IRC conversation the question of always booting Fedora fresh on hardware came up. We've got the Live variants which do this already and it's possible to directly write them to a local disk. Similar to booting from a USB stick, you could use the local hardware instead. Howeve

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-11 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 10. 07. 23 10:38, Vít Ondruch wrote: Hi, I have recently installed Fedora Rawhide via netinstall and there are some questionable packages installed by default, such as: ... libxcrypt-compat ... and I wonder what is the mechanism, which pulls these in? $ rpm -q --recommends python-pip-wh

Re: Several questionable packages installed on fresh system

2023-07-11 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 11. 07. 23 12:39, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 10. 07. 23 10:38, Vít Ondruch wrote: Hi, I have recently installed Fedora Rawhide via netinstall and there are some questionable packages installed by default, such as: ... libxcrypt-compat ... and I wonder what is the mechanism, which pulls these

Re: CentOS Stream, RHEL, and Fedora [was Re: What is Fedora?]

2023-07-11 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Oracle has (finally – the community projects Rocky and Alma were much quicker to react) made an announcement about the situation: https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/keep-linux-open-and-free-2023-07-10/ Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing l

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Build Fedora Workstation live ISO with Image Builder (System-Wide)

2023-07-11 Thread Ondřej Budai
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 2:53 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 8:25 AM Ondřej Budai wrote: > > > > Yep, that's a shortcoming of how we currently upload the builds to koji. > It's something we would like to tackle in the upcoming quarter, see the > tracking ticket: https://issues.red

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20230711.n.0 changes

2023-07-11 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20230710.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20230711.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:1 Dropped images: 4 Added packages: 11 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 144 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 53.32 MiB Size of dropped packages:0

Re: Immutable Variants & Persistence

2023-07-11 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 04:19:13AM -0600, Jonathan Steffan wrote: > Hello, > > During a recent IRC conversation the question of always booting > Fedora fresh on hardware came up. We've got the Live variants which > do this already and it's possible to directly write them to a local > disk. Similar

Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-11 Thread Michael Catanzaro
I think what happens is: somebody (anybody) can report a post, if it gets enough reports it gets proactively hidden before a moderator can review it. Do our moderators eventually review such posts to ensure they're truly inappropriate? Seems clear that the post is question should not have bee

Re: CentOS Stream, RHEL, and Fedora [was Re: What is Fedora?]

2023-07-11 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 12:49:10PM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Oracle has (finally – the community projects Rocky and Alma were much > quicker to react) made an announcement about the situation: > https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/keep-linux-open-and-free-2023-07-10/ SUSE

Re: CentOS Stream, RHEL, and Fedora [was Re: What is Fedora?]

2023-07-11 Thread Andreas Tunek
Den tis 11 juli 2023 kl 12:49 skrev Kevin Kofler via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org>: > Oracle has (finally – the community projects Rocky and Alma were much > quicker to react) made an announcement about the situation: > > https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/keep-linux-open-and-f

Re: CentOS Stream, RHEL, and Fedora [was Re: What is Fedora?]

2023-07-11 Thread Michael J Gruber
Kevin Kofler via devel venit, vidit, dixit 2023-07-11 12:49:10: > Oracle has (finally – the community projects Rocky and Alma were much > quicker to react) made an announcement about the situation: > https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/keep-linux-open-and-free-2023-07-10/ Thanks for the

Re: Modernize Thread Building Blocks for Fedora 39

2023-07-11 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 at 15:15, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 at 11:46, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > > > > Oops, I meant to CC the package-ow...@fedoraproject.org addresses for > > the packages I'll be changing (see below). > > > > For blender, gazebo, opencascade, and opensubdiv, it's a

Orphaned libdnf-plugin-swidtags, planning to orphan swid-tools

2023-07-11 Thread Jan Pazdziora
Hello, the SWID tag enablement introduced by https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SWID_Tag_Enablement did not lead to a wider SWID tag adoption, and other technologies (IMA, SPDX) seem to be more relevant for the purpose SWID tags were expected to play, four years later. For that reason I've o

Re: List of long term FTBFS packages to be retired in August

2023-07-11 Thread Jerry James
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 7:07 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > sbcl green, rdieter About a month ago, I opened a PR to fix this. It looks like the PR was merged, but no build was done. I am taking it upon myself to update sbcl to the next released version (the PR was

Re: Immutable Variants & Persistence

2023-07-11 Thread Jonathan Steffan
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 6:55 AM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > Isn't this what Silverblue is for? > > https://fedoraproject.org/silverblue/ Yes, close. Could it be possible that all changes are only recorded COW and after reboot they are discarded? -- Jonathan Steffan ___

Re: Immutable Variants & Persistence

2023-07-11 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 12:01 PM Jonathan Steffan wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 6:55 AM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> >> >> Isn't this what Silverblue is for? >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/silverblue/ > > > Yes, close. > > Could it be possible that all changes are only recorded COW and afte

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-11 Thread Eric Curtin
If you are looking for other ideas, I embed loads of useful info in my prompt: https://imgur.com/a/kVCyVPK time, so you can roughly measure the time between commands, CPU architecture, how far ahead or behind you are in a git repo. But this gets a +1 from me regardless of the result, colors are

Re: Immutable Variants & Persistence

2023-07-11 Thread Jonathan Steffan
Stephen, Maybe. I was thinking more: 1. Boot Silverblue 2. All userspace is in RAM 3. Reboot 4. See step 1 On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 10:42 AM Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 12:01 PM Jonathan Steffan > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 6:55 AM Richard W.M. Jones > wrote

Re: CentOS Stream, RHEL, and Fedora [was Re: What is Fedora?]

2023-07-11 Thread Mattia Verga via devel
Since RHEL is made out from Centos Stream and Centos Stream is made out from Fedora ELN, can't Alma and Rocky branch directly from Fedora? Can we collaborate in some way with those communities so that we support each other? I mean, like we have Fedora ELN and EPEL... Inviato da Proton Mail mobil

Re: Immutable Variants & Persistence

2023-07-11 Thread Jonathan Steffan
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 10:47 AM Jonathan Steffan wrote: > 2. All userspace is in RAM > For example, let's install `dnf install tuxpuck`. I'd expect `tuxpuck` to be installed and playable. I wouldn't have to reboot after layering this using ostree. I'd just like to play the game and reboot. Upo

Re: CentOS Stream, RHEL, and Fedora [was Re: What is Fedora?]

2023-07-11 Thread Andreas Tunek
Den tis 11 juli 2023 kl 19:12 skrev Mattia Verga via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org>: > Since RHEL is made out from Centos Stream and Centos Stream is made out > from Fedora ELN, can't Alma and Rocky branch directly from Fedora? > Can we collaborate in some way with those communities so tha

cfitsio license correction: "MIT" to "CFITSIO"

2023-07-11 Thread Sergio Pascual
Hello, the license of cfitsio was incorrectly identified as "MIT", it is actually "CFITSIO". I have updated it in rawhide. Regards, Sergio ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedorapro

CCfits license correction: "BSD" to "CFITSIO"

2023-07-11 Thread Sergio Pascual
Hello, the license of CCfits was incorrectly identified as "BSD", it is actually "CFITSIO". I have updated it in rawhide. Regards, Sergio ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproj

Re: CentOS Stream, RHEL, and Fedora [was Re: What is Fedora?]

2023-07-11 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Mattia Verga said: > Since RHEL is made out from Centos Stream and Centos Stream is made out from > Fedora ELN, can't Alma and Rocky branch directly from Fedora? > Can we collaborate in some way with those communities so that we support each > other? I mean, like we have Fedora

Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-11 Thread Jeremy Linton
Hi, On 7/6/23 11:10, Aoife Moloney wrote: Important process note: we are experimenting with using Fedora (trimming stuff because this proposal is huge) We intend to deploy the Endless OS metrics system. [https://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2023/07/05/endless-oss-privacy-preserving-metrics-system/

Re: CentOS Stream, RHEL, and Fedora [was Re: What is Fedora?]

2023-07-11 Thread Leon Fauster via devel
Am 11.07.23 um 21:02 schrieb Chris Adams: Once upon a time, Mattia Verga said: Since RHEL is made out from Centos Stream and Centos Stream is made out from Fedora ELN, can't Alma and Rocky branch directly from Fedora? Can we collaborate in some way with those communities so that we support eac

OT: Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-11 Thread Jeremy Linton
On 7/10/23 13:16, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: On 7/10/23 02:30, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 10/07/2023 02:49, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: QtWebEngine (used by Falkon) was a month or more behind upstream Chromium last I checked. Qt5QtWebEngine is an extremely vulnerable thing. It still uses

Re: [rawhide] ICU upgrade to 73.2

2023-07-11 Thread Jerry James
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 3:10 AM Frantisek Zatloukal wrote: > Later today, I'll be starting with rebuilds of packages depending on icu. The > rebuilds will take place in f39-build-side-69764 for all packages returned by > repoquery --whatrequires 'libicu*.so.72()(64bit)' (list cleaned up, convert

Re: List of long term FTBFS packages to be retired in August

2023-07-11 Thread Mikel Olasagasti
Hi, Hau idatzi du Miro Hrončok (mhron...@redhat.com) erabiltzaileak (2023 uzt. 11(a), ar. (15:07)): > > golang-code-cloudfoundry-bytefmt go-sig, mikelo2 Fixed > golang-github-aliyun-cli bdperkin, go-sig Fixed > golang-github-d2g-dhcp4clientalexsaezm, go-sig

Re: [rawhide] ICU upgrade to 73.2

2023-07-11 Thread Frantisek Zatloukal
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 9:47 PM Jerry James wrote: > > brltty > > This package is also being built in a side tag for the OCaml 5.0.0 > update, which is already ongoing. Can you wait until the OCaml builds > are done to build this one? Otherwise, we're going to rebuild this > poor package over a

Re: [rawhide] ICU upgrade to 73.2

2023-07-11 Thread Jerry James
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 2:35 PM Frantisek Zatloukal wrote: > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 9:47 PM Jerry James wrote: >> > brltty >> >> This package is also being built in a side tag for the OCaml 5.0.0 >> update, which is already ongoing. Can you wait until the OCaml builds >> are done to build this

Re: [rawhide] ICU upgrade to 73.2

2023-07-11 Thread Frantisek Zatloukal
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 10:41 PM Jerry James wrote: > > It looks like we haven't gotten to brltty yet in the OCaml builds. > How long do you think it would be before you could merge your side > tag? If it won't be long, maybe we should wait for you. > > CCing Richard Jones, who is actually runni

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-11 Thread Eduard Lucena
What I did with the i3 Spin was to ask to the Design team for something that fits Fedora's color palette. I think for this you could do the same. Br, -- Eduard Lucena Móvil: +56962318010 GNU/Linux User #589060 Ubuntu User #8749 Fedora Marketing Representative ___

Re: [rawhide] ICU upgrade to 73.2

2023-07-11 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 02:40:42PM -0600, Jerry James wrote: > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 2:35 PM Frantisek Zatloukal > wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 9:47 PM Jerry James wrote: > >> > brltty > >> > >> This package is also being built in a side tag for the OCaml 5.0.0 > >> update, which is alre

Re: [rawhide] ICU upgrade to 73.2

2023-07-11 Thread Frantisek Zatloukal
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 10:56 PM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > I think the OCaml build will take a while. > > Is this related to the (concurrent) Perl rebuild? > No, the perl rebuild is separate from this. There shouldn't be any overlap, afaik? In such case, I guess I should: - proceed with brlap

Re: [rawhide] ICU upgrade to 73.2

2023-07-11 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 10:59:31PM +0200, Frantisek Zatloukal wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 10:56 PM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > I think the OCaml build will take a while. > > Is this related to the (concurrent) Perl rebuild? > > > No, the perl rebuild is separate from this.

Re: OT: Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-11 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 7/11/23 15:45, Jeremy Linton wrote: > On 7/10/23 13:16, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: >> On 7/10/23 02:30, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: >>> On 10/07/2023 02:49, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: QtWebEngine (used by Falkon) was a month or more behind upstream Chromium last I checked. >>> >>> Qt

Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-11 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Jul 11 2023 at 02:19:31 PM -0500, Jeremy Linton wrote: Having finally had a chance to look at the list of collected metrics i'm a bit worried about just how much information is being/can be gathered by the project, as well as the frequency it is being gathered. Personally, I think i

Re: CentOS Stream, RHEL, and Fedora [was Re: What is Fedora?]

2023-07-11 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Jul 11 2023 at 09:18:57 PM +0200, Leon Fauster via devel wrote: C8S ends 2024, while RHEL8 ends 2029 C9S ends 2027, while RHEL9 ends 2032 You're forgetting the Extended life cycle support phase. RHEL 8 and 9 will both have a 13-year lifecycle (down from 14 years). See this table: ht

Re: [rawhide] ICU upgrade to 73.2

2023-07-11 Thread Frantisek Zatloukal
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 11:06 PM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Yes I think it's better if you could proceed with brltty. > > Note I pushed a commit earlier today which excludes %{ix86} from the > OCaml subpackage. In OCaml 5 / Fedora 39 we are going to drop support > for this architecture entirely

Schedule for Thursday's FESCo Meeting (2023-07-13) [NEW MEETING TIME]

2023-07-11 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Note that the meeting time has moved. Or actually, the meeting time hasn't moved, but the day is different. It still ends in "y", and also starts with a "t". Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Thursday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.libera.chat. To

Re: [rawhide] ICU upgrade to 73.2

2023-07-11 Thread Mamoru TASAKA
Frantisek Zatloukal wrote on 2023/07/12 7:35: On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 11:06 PM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Yes I think it's better if you could proceed with brltty. Note I pushed a commit earlier today which excludes %{ix86} from the OCaml subpackage. In OCaml 5 / Fedora 39 we are going to dro