Re: 2.6.41.5-3 - Disable Intel IOMMU by default.

2011-12-19 Thread Adam Jackson
On Sat, 2011-12-17 at 01:51 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: how is the following changelog-entry to understand? Well the changelog entry says: * Thu Dec 15 2011 Dave Jones da...@redhat.com 2.6.41.5-3 - Disable Intel IOMMU by default. So I would assume that means that the Intel IOMMU is disabled

libpng mass rebuild status, 2011-12-06

2011-12-06 Thread Adam Jackson
After yesterday's rebuilds, there remain 271 binary packages from 232 source packages that still require libpng-compat. No FTBFS bugs have been filed at this time. There's a pretty wide variety of failures represented here. In addition to the libpng API changes, a quick scan also unconvers

Plan for today's FESCo meeting (2011-12-05)

2011-12-05 Thread Adam Jackson
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting today at 18:00UTC (1:00pm EST) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 = Followups = #topic #689 Consider including bash-completion

Re: Upgrading libpng: shall we move to 1.4.x or 1.5.x?

2011-12-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 13:12 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: I did test rebuilds in mock of all rawhide packages that are reported to be dependent on libpng. Out of 964 packages with dependencies on libpng, we have: Packages that rebuilt successfully with 1.5 658 Packages that FTBFS for

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCO meeting (2011-12-05 at 1800 UTC)

2011-12-05 Thread Adam Jackson
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-12-05) === Meeting started by ajax at 18:01:03 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-12-05/fesco.2011-12-05-18.01.log.html . Meeting summary

Re: Orphaned packages

2011-11-29 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 11:28 +0100, Michal Nowak wrote: I've just orphaned following packages: * xcb-util Taken. Thanks for looking after it! - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: updating xcb-util to 0.3.8 in rawhide?

2011-11-29 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 23:38 +0100, Lars Seipel wrote: Hi there, is it possible to update rawhide's xcb-util to the current version which was released earlier this year? I've taken ownership of xcb-util, and submitted a build for 0.3.8. The following packages depend on it in F17:

Unannounced ABI bump in rawhide: quvi

2011-11-17 Thread Adam Jackson
quvi 0.4.0 is both an ABI and API break. See the rawhide report for details. Nicoleau, please remember to announce changes that may affect others: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainer_responsibilities#Notify_others_of_changes_that_may_affect_their_packages - ajax signature.asc

Re: F17 heads up: X server git snapshots

2011-11-14 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 06:48 -0500, Mystilleef wrote: Hello, Wow, I read this a little too late. I did an update, using --skip-broken, today and now Xorg is broken. I use the open source ati drivers. The Xorg log indicates a version mismatch between Xorg and the drivers. Is there a way to

Re: A small request

2011-11-14 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 16:44 +, Paul Johnson wrote: What I'm thinking is that if (say) xorg-x11 is built, the drivers also get built to ensure the likes of the ABI problem I've hit doesn't happen I understand the desire, yes. I was expressing surprise that I hadn't adequately guarded you

Re: gdbm license change

2011-11-14 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 18:18 +0100, Honza Horak wrote: Hi, GNU database indexing library (gdbm) has changed its license to GPLv3+. A quick scan says this affects: avahi-ui-tools (LGPLv2) gnu-smalltalk (GPLv2+ with exceptions) jpilot-backup (GPLv2+) libguestfs (LGPLv2+) librep (GPLv2+) man-db

Re: gdbm license change

2011-11-14 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 20:46 +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote: On 11/14/2011 07:57 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 18:18 +0100, Honza Horak wrote: Hi, GNU database indexing library (gdbm) has changed its license to GPLv3+. A quick scan says this affects: [...] ypserv (GPLv2

Re: F17 heads up: X server git snapshots

2011-11-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 16:14 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: I'm currently rebuilding the X stack for F17, and we'll be tracking git snapshots of the X server and drivers until xserver 1.12 comes out. I don't know yet how many of the drivers will ftbfs now, so --skip-broken might be your friend

Re: New build of fedpkg (fedora-packager) coming to updates-testing / rawhide

2011-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-11-01 at 17:04 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: Please test these updates and let me know if all is good, or if you have other issues. Bodhi karma, email, IRC, smoke signal, just let me know. [ajax@f17 fedora]$ fedpkg co xorg-x11-server Could not execute clone: must be type, not

F17 heads up: X server git snapshots

2011-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
I'm currently rebuilding the X stack for F17, and we'll be tracking git snapshots of the X server and drivers until xserver 1.12 comes out. I don't know yet how many of the drivers will ftbfs now, so --skip-broken might be your friend for a while. Binary and out-of-tree driver users will want to

Re: why do I need colord?

2011-11-08 Thread Adam Jackson
On 11/8/11 12:09 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: 2011/11/8 Richard Hugheshughsi...@gmail.com: 2011/11/7 Michał Piotrowskimkkp...@gmail.com: Out of curiosity I wanted to ask, why do I need colord on my system? Checkout http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/ for details about the project.

Re: why do I need colord?

2011-11-08 Thread Adam Jackson
On 11/8/11 1:08 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: Yea, but a lot of people don't have those either. I have around 5K servers in DCs with not a single printer or scanner in site. The vast majority of the 4 million odd XOs out there while they have a screen don't have a printer or scanner anywhere in

Re: why do I need colord?

2011-11-08 Thread Adam Jackson
On 11/8/11 1:59 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On a server like that, you won't have cups installed, so nothing will be pulling in colord. Whereas if you _do_ have cups installed, because it's a print server, then you might like

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 10:11 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: For now let's say yes, but that's more like implementation detail than fundamental property. Clutter'd be perfectly happy atop a GLES renderer, we just don't have that wired up. Ok -- that doesn't sound so terrible. Are there

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 14:55 +, Peter Robinson wrote: Details of rawhide builds for them here[1], the XO-1 build isn't tested but the XO 1.5 one works fine, I'll be testing further and likely the next build I do I'll add all the components to test the llvmpipe feature on them. Don't freak

Re: Another glibc change that nearly got pushed into F16

2011-11-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On 10/26/11 12:32 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Richard W.M. Jonesrjo...@redhat.com wrote: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/682 I've made another attempt to reach out the the glibc maintainer directly again this morning to hopefully answer the questions

Re: convert init.d to systemd, how to determine which python is installed

2011-11-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-11-03 at 10:10 -0400, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: HekaFS runs a daemon from init. It's a Bottle (python-based) http server. In order to work on, e.g. RHEL6 in addition to Fedora, the old init script has: ... vercmd=from distutils.sysconfig import get_python_lib; print

Re: Buildroot override problem

2011-11-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-11-03 at 09:14 -0600, Jerry James wrote: I have 2 new packages. The first one, flocq, has been in F16 testing for 5 days. It is needed to build the second one, gappalib-coq. I go to the BuildRoot override page to submit an override for flocq. After typing in flocq, it offers

F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-03 Thread Adam Jackson
As of tomorrow's rawhide [1], gnome-session will no longer treat llvmpipe as an unsupported driver. This means gnome-shell will run even on hardware without a native 3D driver, including virt guests. There are probably bugs! I've done some quick tests on the hardware I have handy and in kvm,

Re: BEWARE: a problematic glibc made it to stable (F16)

2011-10-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 20:35 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: Except that Fedora _has_ been glibc's development platform for as long as I can remember. The Fedora project might not think so, but it's exactly what upstream glibc does. Indeed, this has been the case since it was still called Red Hat

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 11:14 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 13:54 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: EDID does not reliably give you the size of the display. How about EDID as it exists today. Since you're able to so beautifully explain what the pitfalls are, I'd assume you've

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 19:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: 96dpi, however, is almost *never* correct, is it? So just taking a hardcoded number that Microsoft happened to pick a decade ago is hardly improving matters. The X default used to be 72dpi. Maybe it'll be something else in the future,

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 23:11 +0200, Benny Amorsen wrote: Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org writes: We have no technological solution for dealing with the fact that applications may move from one DPI to another at runtime, and may even be displaying on both displays at once. From a

Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 11:46 -0400, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: Grovelling around in the F15 xorg-server sources and reviewing the Xorg log file on my F15 box, I see, with _modern hardware_ at least, that we do have the monitor geometry available from DDC or EDIC, and obviously it is trivial

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 21:03 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote: Hi, On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: I am clearly going to have to explain this one more time, forever. Let's see if I can't write it authoritatively once and simply answer with a URL from here out

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 23:45 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Another bigger source of slowness at boot is currently Plymouth which also requires synchronous settling of devices (tough it's not as bad as LVM in that regard though, but costs too since EDID probing is apparently quite slow, and

FESCO meeting agenda for 2011 Oct 3

2011-10-03 Thread Adam Jackson
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 17:00UTC (1:00pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 = Followups = #topic #663 Late F16 Feature Java7 .fesco 663

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On 10/3/11 11:43 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:34:45 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: I'm not sure how we can make DPI magically be correct in gazillions of broken displays' EDID. If not blacklisting then whitelisting them, you have the community. This is X.org's task,

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCO meeting (2011-10-03)

2011-10-03 Thread Adam Jackson
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-10-03) === Meeting started by ajax at 17:00:30 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-10-03/fesco.2011-10-03-17.00.log.html . Meeting summary

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2011-09-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 20:05 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: %rename cc1_options rh_cc1_options_old

Re: [Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2011-09-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 20:22 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: Such packages would be broken and would fail to link without hardening or at least have text relocations too. Packagers shouldn't rely on this spec hack to fix up their packaging bugs (or upstream bugs), the hack should be just about

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On 9/20/11 9:19 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Currently I only see mails of maintainers who plan updating the library, but the rest of it pretty much depends on the maintainers of the depending components rebuilding them quickly enough, and the original maintainer to include them in the F-16

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On 9/20/11 10:13 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/20/2011 04:03 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: I'd like to see a rationale for jamming a soname-changing update into the OS so close to a release. Maintainers on vacation, non-trivial changes? In my case, a major change was introduced into rawhide many

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On 9/20/11 11:43 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 11:33 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: Of course, the accounts system _still_ doesn't have groups, five years later, so provenpackager is the big hammer we have. We could get groups any day now, that'd be just fine. Do you mean

Re: yum-builddep (Re: Compiling 32bit on 64bit Fedora)

2011-09-08 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 10:44 +1000, Tony Breeds wrote: Hi All, On a related but different note. How hard would it be to get yum-builddep to take an --arch arg to that we can esily get the 32-bit builddeps on a 64-bit system? Is 'setarch i686 yum-builddep foo' not enough? - ajax

Re: How to debug X lockup (advice from gurus wanted)

2011-09-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On 9/1/11 5:05 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Hmmm, turning off SMP is not realistic, as this laptop has a Core 2 Duo. Sure it is. Boot with maxcpus=1 on the kernel command line. - ajax -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Best practices for patch management on RPM based packages?

2011-09-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 09:16 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: Most of the packages I work with have very few patches so it's not all that difficult, but there are a couple of packages I'm working with that have a lot of patches and one of them has a very active upstream (which is a good thing!) but

Re: Attention: F16 packages needing rebuilds due to the trailing slash bug of rpm-4.9.1

2011-08-18 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-08-17 at 15:50 -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Eric Sandeen sand...@redhat.com wrote: (aside: when sending lists of rpms like this, it sure would be nice to also include the maintainer name, so I could just search for me and know if I have an

Re: Attention: F16 packages needing rebuilds due to the trailing slash bug of rpm-4.9.1

2011-08-18 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 07:37 -0400, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: On 08/17/2011 05:51 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: Hi all, Due to the brown paperbag bug of rpm-4.9.1 causing unwanted trailing slashes on directories (with various nasty side-effects), the following packages in F16 require

Re: Attention: F16 packages needing rebuilds due to the trailing slash bug of rpm-4.9.1

2011-08-17 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/17/11 5:51 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: Hi all, Due to the brown paperbag bug of rpm-4.9.1 causing unwanted trailing slashes on directories (with various nasty side-effects), the following packages in F16 require rebuilding. The sooner the better to stop spreading the damage but at any

Re: Attention: F16 packages needing rebuilds due to the trailing slash bug of rpm-4.9.1

2011-08-17 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/17/11 10:41 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: for i in $(cat panu-list) ; do j=$(koji -q latest-pkg f16-updates-testing $(rpmname $i) | \ awk '{ print $1 }') rpmdev-vercmp $i $j /dev/null [ $? == 12 ] echo $j done I left out an important step here: rpmname

Re: [PATCH] macros: Globally add --disable-silent-rules to configure

2011-08-15 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/13/11 2:23 PM, Jim Meyering wrote: I'd start with -O2 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 and something like this subset of -Wall: -Warray-bounds -Wchar-subscripts -Wsequence-point gcc now has: -Werror= Make the specified warning into an error. The specifier for a warning

Re: To Require or not to Require?

2011-08-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/12/11 12:28 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 05:25:17PM +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: Third party code built against -devel and depending only on the SONAME is fine in this situation as it sticks to the published ABI. In-tree code that plays with non-ABI symbols will

Re: New hardened build support (coming) in F16

2011-08-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 08:47 -0400, Steve Grubb wrote: My main concern is that the macro will be misapplied and overall performance will take a hit. That's a valid concern, but any hardened build would have this problem. I'm happy to talk about how the performance impact can be mitigated, but

Re: [PATCH] macros: Globally add --disable-silent-rules to configure

2011-08-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 10:44 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: See attached. Looks fine to me. The only reason I have to dislike it is the temptation for people to inspect build logs as a proof of what flags a package was built with (since the only sane thing is to store that in the binary itself,

Re: [PATCH] macros: Globally add --disable-silent-rules to configure

2011-08-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 19:19 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:14:27 +0200, Adam Jackson wrote: If you're volunteering to fix and/or paper over all the spurious warnings gcc and glibc introduce with every phase of the moon, then sure. Yes, I do it for my component, GDB

Meeting minutes/summary for 2011-08-08 fesco meeting

2011-08-08 Thread Adam Jackson
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-08-07) === Meeting started by ajax at 17:01:26 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-08-08/fesco.2011-08-08-17.01.log.html . Meeting summary

New hardened build support (coming) in F16

2011-08-08 Thread Adam Jackson
tl;dr version: If you have a security-sensitive package, and wish to enable some gcc-level hardening features with a modest performance impact, you will soon be able to enable them (nearly) automagically by rebuilding with this line in your spec file: %define _hardened_build 1 Now for the

Re: New hardened build support (coming) in F16

2011-08-08 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/8/11 3:52 PM, Till Maas wrote: On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 12:23:43PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: %define _hardened_build 1 just wondering: Is %define really correct here or does it need to be %global? I've been using %define out of habit, but either one works. - ajax -- devel mailing

Re: Intel HD 3000 video blank screen during install of F15

2011-08-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/3/11 8:58 AM, Ric Wheeler wrote: I have a shiny new laptop (HP Pavilion dm4) with the Sandy Bridge video (HD 3000). Installing F15 or the nightly F16 build causes a blank screen during the install. Installing/running basic video works but is annoying. I have spent a few days poking

Re: rawhide report: 20110803 changes

2011-08-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/3/11 9:48 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: We would love to build all PCI drivers for all platforms if the drivers compiled for all secondary arches :-) See bug 713609 as an example. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=713609 I would debug this problem on an arm builder, if I could

Re: Rawhide should take turns with F-16 Branched

2011-08-01 Thread Adam Jackson
On 8/1/11 10:55 AM, John Reiser wrote: On 07/31/2011 01:37 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:22 PM, John Reiserjrei...@bitwagon.com wrote: The nightly build mash for Fedora-16 Branched should go first, before Rawhide, on a few days per week ... You should open a ticket with

Re: howto not strip .so on install

2011-07-27 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 11:48 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: Trying to help packaging dmtcp. There are 2 shared libs installed. They are stripped by the rpm install, and then fail when attempting to dlopen them (or 1 of them). 1. Is that normal behaviour? No, the strip performed by the rpm

Re: Grubby and Xen

2011-07-25 Thread Adam Jackson
On 7/25/11 8:31 AM, Roman Rakus wrote: On 07/25/2011 04:38 AM, W. Michael Petullo wrote: Is anyone who is a grubby contributor interested in adding these features to grubby to support the XenPvopsDom0 feature? I've provided a patch in bug #658387. Is it possible to use augeas [1]? There is

Re: systemd vice SysV/LSB init systems - what next ?

2011-07-19 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-07-19 at 11:11 +, JB wrote: My suggestion is that you keep both init systems, SysV/LSB and systemd, as separate offerings out of many, and forever so. We'll take that under advisement. - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel

Re: Status of startup-notifications

2011-07-14 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-07-14 at 07:30 +0200, Johannes Lips wrote: I recently found that startup-notification is quite old in fedora and filed a bug to update to the recent upstream version. [1] So far I didn't get any feedback and would like to ask if someone of those [2] who also have commit on this

Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-14 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-07-14 at 17:49 +, JB wrote: I am just suggesting how the devs can reach their audience and communicate with them for a mutual benefit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_grandmother_to_suck_eggs - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part --

Re: Poll: Does ACPI lid state work on your Linux laptop?

2011-07-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 15:22 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:01:25PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Please don't. ACPI lid state is not reliable on a range of hardware for a bunch of reasons, ranging from open events that are never fired to query methods that read

Re: Poll: Does ACPI lid state work on your Linux laptop?

2011-07-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 16:57 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: Maybe it it is an idea to build a whitelist for machines which do have working ACPI lid support? I realize maintaining such a list is a pain, but this way people who care and are lucky enough to have actually working hardware can at

Plan for today's FESCo meeting (2011-7-11)

2011-07-11 Thread Adam Jackson
(Apologies for short notice, for some reason I wasn't thinking about Fedora on the weekend.) Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting today at 17:00UTC (1:00pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Links to all tickets below can be found at:

Re: Plan for today's FESCo meeting (2011-7-11)

2011-07-11 Thread Adam Jackson
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-07-11) === Meeting started by ajax at 17:00:55 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-07-11/fesco.2011-07-11-17.00.log.html . Meeting summary

Re: relro and precompiled headers

2011-07-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 14:15 +0200, Dan Horák wrote: g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/lib64/wx/include/gtk2-unicode-release-2.8 -I/usr/include/wx-2.8 -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGE_FILES -D__WXGTK__ -pthread -I../../src/include -I../../src/sdk/wxscintilla/include

Re: relro and precompiled headers

2011-07-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-07-07 at 16:49 +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 02:15:08PM +0200, Dan Horák wrote: when I'm building Code::Block in rawhide I'm getting into troubles with the relro feature when combined with pre-compiled headers. with default flags I get: Putting

Re: ushare FTBFS on EL-6

2011-07-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 15:40 +0200, Christoph Trassl wrote: On 07/06/2011 02:49 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote: I would like to have ushare running on my EL-6 home server and there is no build for EPEL-6. So I have build libupnp (no problems there, I've pushed it to -testing), and when trying to build

Re: Trusted Boot in Fedora

2011-06-28 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 09:59 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Lun 27 juin 2011 15:12, Miloslav Trmač a écrit : Placing trust in the manufacturer of the hardware puts the user in no worse position than they were before. I don't call placing absolute vetting power in bios writer hands no

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-21)

2011-06-24 Thread Adam Jackson
On 6/24/11 3:31 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I don't think GHC generates C (it used to, a very long time ago). GHC and OCaml contain code generators that generate machine code directly. So this could require changes to the code generator, but at least for RELRO it seems this is just a

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-21)

2011-06-23 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 09:54 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 03:57:58PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: * #563 suggested policy: all daemons must set RELRO and PIE flags (ajax, 17:53:41) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/93 (nirik, 17:54:34) * ACTION

Re: Heads up: GLEW soname bump in F16

2011-06-21 Thread Adam Jackson
Rebuilds mostly done. All the failures seem to be in C++ apps (worst language): amanith Looks like it needs -fpermissive. qmake defeated my attempts to add it though. meshlab Also looks like it needs -fpermissive, also qmake hates me again. root Failed due to being rebuilt in the

Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-21)

2011-06-21 Thread Adam Jackson
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 17:30UTC (1:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 = Followups = #topic whenisgood followup #topic systemd

Heads up: GLEW soname bump in F16

2011-06-20 Thread Adam Jackson
GLEW encodes the package minor number in the soname string. This is a mistake, since sonames are strcmp not vercmp, particularly in this case since there's no actual ABI change between 1.5.x and 1.6.0. Dear upstreams: please don't do this. Nonetheless, it's what they're shipping, so it's what

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-15 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:23 -0500, Dan Williams wrote: systemd might be happy if you change it later, but other stuff is not. The canonical example is X, where the hostname was used as the xauth key to allow you to actually talk to the X server. When the hostname changed, there was no

Re: effective communication and effective free software

2011-06-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On 6/13/11 12:18 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: Sloppy attitude like this is the reason just about any daemon (more and more of which pop up like mushrooms in every new release, I must add) eats at least a few megabytes of RAM. I'd have more empathy for your position if you'd made even a cursory

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On 6/10/11 10:39 AM, Mark Bidewell wrote: To add to the point about graphics support there is also the fact that GNOME3/Unity will only run with accelerated graphics which only VirtualBox supports. I have Gnome 3 running with software GL. I'll probably be blogging about it soon, it's not

Re: systemd memory usage

2011-06-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On 6/10/11 9:07 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: At the very least, I would like to see its memory consumption to go down substantially. Let's try to turn this into something constructive. I'll start with David Malcolm's rather nifty, if unpolished, 'heap' plugin for gdb:

Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-02 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 23:54 +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709647 I'd like to have bash-completion included in F-16's default install. In my opinion it's in a good enough shape for that already now, and with my upstream hat on I expect things to

headsup: F16 libupnp soname bumps

2011-05-31 Thread Adam Jackson
The following packages will be affected: djmount-0:0.71-3.fc15.i686 gmediaserver-0:0.13.0-7.fc15.i686 gmyth-0:0.7.1-14.fc15.i686 linux-igd-0:1.0-10.fc15.i686 ushare-0:1.1a-7.fc15.i686 and possibly more in third-party repos. I'll handle rebuilds for the above, I don't expect any will need more

Re: headsup: F16 libupnp soname bumps

2011-05-31 Thread Adam Jackson
On 5/31/11 11:23 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: gmyth-0:0.7.1-14.fc15.i686 linux-igd-0:1.0-10.fc15.i686 djmount-0:0.71-3.fc15.i686 Rebuilds done. gmediaserver-0:0.13.0-7.fc15.i686 ushare-0:1.1a-7.fc15.i686 Coming eventually. Apparently libupnp decided to rewrite an entire API surface between

Re: 9base in Fedora?

2011-05-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On 5/20/11 8:17 AM, Petr Sabata wrote: #1, aka the Gentoo way Gentoo installs its 9base package into /usr/plan9, basically not touching 9base files at all. This collides with FHS and therefore would require an exception in Packaging Guidelines. #2, aka the Debian

Re: Security release criterion proposal

2011-05-18 Thread Adam Jackson
On 5/18/11 11:57 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: # There must be no known remote code execution vulnerability which could be exploited during installation or during use of a live image shipped with the release Seems reasonable at first glance. One anecdotal experience: FC5 (wow) shipped with an X

Re: Security release criterion proposal

2011-05-18 Thread Adam Jackson
On 5/18/11 1:22 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: # There must be no known remote code execution vulnerability which could be exploited during installation or during use of a live image shipped with the release This is just completely and utterly moot considering that there are

Re: Security release criterion proposal

2011-05-18 Thread Adam Jackson
On 5/18/11 1:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 13:37 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On 5/18/11 1:22 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: # There must be no known remote code execution vulnerability which could be exploited during installation or during use of a live

Re: Security release criterion proposal

2011-05-18 Thread Adam Jackson
On 5/18/11 4:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: The thing is, if we block the release for each and every known security issue, considering the time passing between notification and public availability of a fix, we will never be able to release anything. We have to draw the line somewhere, and the best

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2011-05-11)

2011-05-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 14:26 +, Petr Pisar wrote: On 2011-05-11, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: * #563 suggested policy: all daemons must set RELRO and PIE flags (nirik, 17:35:15) * AGREED: will enable them both by default in rawhide and see if we run into issues.

Re: ubuntu to switch to lightdm?

2011-05-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 11:29 -0400, seth vidal wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 16:27 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:11:51AM -0400, Neal Becker wrote: Sounds interesting: http://digitizor.com/2011/05/12/ubuntu-11-10-lightdm/ It's less functional than gdm, and

Re: Is Rawhide supposed to be useful?

2011-05-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On 5/9/11 9:18 PM, Peter Hutterer wrote: The resources have been put in, there are ABI checks in the RPMs but as ajax said, they don't work until the ABI is bumped upstream. I'm thinking about making the xserver package export ABI majors of md5sums of, well, something, whenever the build is

Re: Is Rawhide supposed to be useful?

2011-05-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On 5/10/11 11:34 AM, Jonathan Corbet wrote: Things breaking in Rawhide are not a surprise; indeed, if it doesn't occasionally bite the hand that's feeding it, somebody probably isn't trying hard enough. But if it can remain this fundamentally broken for weeks because the relevant developer

Re: Is Rawhide supposed to be useful?

2011-05-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On 5/10/11 12:23 PM, Jonathan Corbet wrote: I'm not talking about this week. The X11 problem was reported three weeks ago, and the don't run Rawhide advice given to me came rather before that. Rawhide has been an unusually painful place to be for some time now, and a lot of people, I

Re: Is Rawhide supposed to be useful?

2011-05-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On 5/10/11 1:41 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 01:07:22PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: X being broken in rawhide was in who knows how many peoples' ways, and even though it's provenpackager+ and even though all it would have taken was a mass driver rebuild, nobody even tried

Re: Is Rawhide supposed to be useful?

2011-05-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On 5/10/11 4:54 PM, Jonathan Corbet wrote: On Tue, 10 May 2011 13:07:22 -0400 Adam Jacksona...@redhat.com wrote: If you need a usable system I recommend that you stay away from the rawhide train until it hits alpha which is sometime late August if memory serves me correct.

Re: Intel N10 graphics and i915 driver

2011-05-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 11:36 +0900, Misha Shnurapet wrote: driconf device screen=0 driver=dri2 application name=Default option name=vblank_mode value=0 / /application /device We're absolutely never doing this by default. 0 means never sync with vertical retrace even

Re: Intel N10 graphics and i915 driver

2011-05-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On 5/3/11 4:37 PM, Jos Vos wrote: So my questions are: (a) does there exist a better video driver for this chip and/or No. If there were, we'd be packaging it. (b) is the i915 driver expected to provide better video performance for this type of use in the future? Maybe. Much depends on

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/27/11 6:40 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: On 04/27/2011 11:35 AM, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Andrew Haleya...@redhat.com wrote: I'm trying to run F15 beta LiveCD in a virtual machine, but I get a complaint that GNOME 3 failed to load and is running in fallback mode. Is

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/27/11 10:01 AM, Andre Robatino wrote: I was under the impression that recent VirtualBox releases do provide the required 3D acceleration pass-through support, They do, or at east they claim to. but that something on the Fedora side necessary to use it is missing. The virtualbox guest

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-27 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/27/11 10:53 AM, John Reiser wrote: On 04/27/2011 07:34 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: But assuming all is right with the world, host-accelerated 3D would almost assuredly be faster than software guest 3D. Does that include host software 3D with a guest that talks hardware 3D? I have trouble

Re: xorg-x11 gone squiffy in rawhide?

2011-04-21 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 16:40 +0100, Paul Johnson wrote: Hi, Just done quite a big update to my rawhide box, performed a reboot and have been left without an x server. I thought it was the xserver, so downgraded to 1.10.99.1-2.20110418.fc16, but still the same problem. Rawhide's X is going to

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