Re: Package with x86 vector instruction support

2011-04-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/20/11 1:59 PM, Jerry James wrote: I'm packaging a library that does some heavy mathematical computations. The build system tries to cleverly determine whether an Intel CPU with vector instructions is being used. Until I can convince upstream to do this at runtime, I'll need to build

Re: Package with x86 vector instruction support

2011-04-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/20/11 5:57 PM, Jerry James wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Adam Jacksona...@redhat.com wrote: The least capable processor we've gone out of our way to fix things for is the AMD Geode GX, which has MMX and 3DNow, but is also slightly less than a proper Pentium Pro in that it

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-14 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/13/11 11:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: In the interests of general public enlightenment, it would've been nice if you'd answered KK's question what am I missing, i.e., where's the magic bit which makes llvmpipe the default? Knowledge is always a good thing :) The specfile contains this

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/13/11 5:14 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote: On 04/12/2011 06:12 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: ast, ati, cirrus, fbdev, geode, intel, mga, nouveau, openchrome, qxl, sis/xgi, vesa, vmware Would this affect the way KVM and specifically qemu-kvm in it's default setup for video using the cirrus driver

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/13/11 9:09 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: ... should we work on making qemu/kvm default to something more modern/sane? (qxl, vmware?) Does it not end up mattering (or do we need cirrus for legacy OS support)? It ends up being a function of the guest OS - vmware's Windows driver will refuse

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/13/11 11:02 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote: On 04/13/2011 03:10 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On 4/13/11 9:09 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: ... should we work on making qemu/kvm default to something more modern/sane? (qxl, vmware?) Does it not end up mattering (or do we need cirrus for legacy OS

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/13/11 10:25 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: Dne 12.4.2011 18:12, Adam Jackson napsal(a): negative.) The list of video drivers that see any actual use is probably something like: ast, ati, cirrus, fbdev, geode, intel, mga, nouveau, openchrome, qxl, sis/xgi, vesa, vmware A word from

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/12/11 11:58 PM, John Reiser wrote: On 04/12/2011 09:12 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: Basically all of this hardware is, ahem, inept. The most featureful device supported by these drivers would be the MGA G550, which just barely manages to do DirectX 7 (comparable to a Radeon 7000 or GeForce 2

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/13/11 5:43 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Will F16 finally ship the llvmpipe as the default software renderer? If by F16, you mean F15, then yes. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Xorg - ajax -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On 4/13/11 7:17 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Jackson wrote: On 4/13/11 5:43 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Will F16 finally ship the llvmpipe as the default software renderer? If by F16, you mean F15, then yes. Hmmm, really? I don't know. Let's ask the machine: synephrine:~% DISPLAY=:0

rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-12 Thread Adam Jackson
There are two major package classes in Fedora that provide graphics drivers: xorg-x11-drv-*, and mesa-dri-drivers-*. In F15, mesa-dri-drivers now only includes drivers with DRI2 support (radeon, nvidia, intel) and the software renderer; if you want all the older drivers you have to install

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 09:34 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 12:12 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: And input is even briefer (evdev, synaptics, wacom, vmmouse). I'd like to chop the -drivers metapackage down to just this set, and either make a new metapackage in optional

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 12:23 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com) said: So that's the rough plan. Comments appreciated if I'm overlooking anything. The question would be how we ensure that these additional drivers are in the install image, or in the installed

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 13:48 -0400, Nathaniel McCallum wrote: On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 13:38 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: But then, if we had _that_, comps could grow a fourth class for as-needed and we'd just list all driver packages there, including cups and webcam drivers and etc. Install

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 14:16 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: While I don't care about accelerated X support, this hardware darned well better continue working in an it works 2D display mode. VESA or whatever is fine. You'll notice I included vesa in the standard list. Not that vesa works very

Re: gcc -ffunction-sections -Wl,--gc-sections

2011-03-24 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 15:00 +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote: Hi, just tried -ffunction-sections -Wl,--gc-sections on F15 xulrunner and got libxul.so 24947928 - 23631640 (5.28% gain) and it still works. ld.gold --icf is a different optimization but that one requires gold. Are there some

Re: LLVM 2.9 pre-releases

2011-03-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 22:13 +0100, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: Thanks! 2.9 rc1 is in Rawhide (F16), so feel free to try building Mesa and report any problems. If they're LLVM bugs rather than packaging bugs, it helps to know ASAP, because unless upstream delays the final release, it'd be

Re: LLVM 2.9 pre-releases

2011-03-21 Thread Adam Jackson
On 3/19/11 8:12 AM, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: OK, we're most likely sitting out on LLVM 2.9 for F-15 final: OpenGTL is hard-coded to work only with LLVM 2.8 (and they hard-coded their previous releases too), and ldc also does not build. pure is the only dependent package we can expect to

Re: Request for sponsered development...

2011-03-11 Thread Adam Jackson
On 3/11/11 8:01 AM, Christian Weiß wrote: Since AIGLX is a Fedora project, I hope that anyone here is able to provide me with further technical information about the protocol and the architecture - haven't found anything so far. As mentioned, whatever comes out of this I'll gladly contribute

Re: Request for sponsered development...

2011-03-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On 3/8/11 8:23 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: The biggest issue I see in that is that most thin style corp deployments now days are moving towards (or at least looking closely at) a VDI style deployment and most of those techs don't support 3D either. From a (very) cursory look at Windows 7,

Re: gcc-4.6.0-0.11.fc15.x86_64 breaks strcmp?

2011-03-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On 3/7/11 9:49 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Compiling libguestfs using gcc-4.6.0-0.11.fc15.x86_64 gives lots of: error: assuming signed overflow does not occur when changing X +- C1 cmp C2 to X cmp C1 +- C2 [-Werror=strict-overflow] These seem to be associated with code that does 'if

Re: gcc-4.6.0-0.12.fc15.x86_64 breaks strcmp?

2011-03-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On 3/7/11 10:35 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Below is how the failure line expands(!) Thanks, I needed a laugh this morning. If I do this as a minimal testcase: --- #include string.h #include stdio.h int do_rm_rf (const char *path) { int r; char *buf, *err; if (!strcmp(path, /))

Re: gcc-4.6.0-0.12.fc15.x86_64 breaks strcmp?

2011-03-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On 3/7/11 11:15 AM, Jim Meyering wrote: Shame on me. I forgot string.h and -Wall ;-) With the former and -O3, I do see your warning. Shame on me as well, -O1 or better would be needed since otherwise you're never going to hit the simplification logic that would introduce this message. I

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in rawhide

2011-02-08 Thread Adam Jackson
Bill Nottingham wrote: Orphan libgle Taken. - ajax -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Rawhide is annoying me!

2011-02-07 Thread Adam Jackson
David Boles wrote: For some reason Fedora has serious problems with my old CRT monitor is connected to my test machine. Fedora see 'nothing' while another distro that shall be nameless sees 1600x00 but not the maker. Since Fedora removed system-config-display I can no longer get a good 2D

Re: noexec on /dev/shm

2011-01-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 11:46 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 05:42:12PM -0800, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: What sort of attack would this enable? Wait... any unprivileged process can create

Re: Security issues with abstract namespace sockets

2011-01-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 13:52 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: That's precisely what I want to tell people: don't use the abstract socket namespace, unless you really know what you do. The only cases where it really makes sense to use it is if you have a privileged service that i sstarted

Re: Security issues with abstract namespace sockets

2011-01-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 13:38 -0500, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 11:12 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: The deeper problem is that clients authenticate themselves to the server, but then simply trust that the server is the server they were hoping for. If you don't have a process

Re: Local system security

2011-01-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 14:10 -0500, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 11:12 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: (And of course what we're doing here is protecting against a malicious attacker who already has enough privileges to run code on your system, which means you're pretty far

Re: Security issues with abstract namespace sockets

2011-01-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 16:33 -0500, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 15:25 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: I don't have any of those. If the X server is running as root (like in the gdm case) then I can put the socket wherever I want. If it's Xvfb, then where do I put this directory

Re: noexec on /dev/shm

2011-01-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 14:11 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: Misusing are ICE, X11, nspluginwrapper at least, since they do not use a random socket name but a fixed one, hence opening the door to DoS attacks. X's socket name isn't fixed. It's a function of whatever display name you asked for

Re: noexec on /dev/shm

2011-01-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 22:59 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Mon, 20.12.10 19:16, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano (na...@ccrma.stanford.edu) wrote: this isn't exactly correct. in /dev/shm on linux we have: (a) unix-domain sockets for non-RT communication with the server (b)

Re: noexec on /dev/shm

2010-12-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 13:07 -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: I would like to bring to the attention of the list another current usage of the tmpfs mounted on /dev/shm in Fedora packages: Jack (the Jack Audio Connection Kit, jackaudio.org) has been using the file api (apologies if my

Re: abrt wishlist

2010-12-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 10:50 -0500, James Laska wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 10:51 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: 3) Reporting to bugzilla is a mistake. Not discounting the idea, but just looking for more detail. What alternatives would you want to see? More kerneloops-like aggregate data

abrt wishlist

2010-12-09 Thread Adam Jackson
Here's some of my pet irritations with abrt. Feel free to add your own, but please keep the gratuitous me tooing to a minimum. 1) The generated reports contain far too little information for library owners. Consider this report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658013 I get the

Re: abrt wishlist

2010-12-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 17:20 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: 2) I really dislike that local trace generation and retrace server are discussed as though they're the only options. If nothing else, for many non-trivial apps where abrt is potentially of the most use the core you're uploading can

Re: Firewall

2010-12-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 15:06 -0500, seth vidal wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 21:01 +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Yeah, general discovery. From the top of my head: - Pulseaudio sinks and sources - libvirt instances for virt-manager - VNC desktops for Vinagre - local web pages (think SOHO

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-11-24)

2010-11-23 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 13:05 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 18:30UTC (1:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. I'm not going to be able to make this, I'll be on the road for Thanksgiving. - ajax --

Re: Fixing the glibc adobe flash incompatibility

2010-11-17 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 15:42 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 16:33:59 -0500, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/17/2010 03:41 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 21:46:09 +0100, François Camifdc-li...@fcami.net wrote: IIRC broken

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 16:59 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 04:35:33PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: What kind of attack are you trying to prevent, and how do you envision that interacting with the window system? The classic is a hostile remote binary which secretly maps

Re: request for intel driver update in rawhide

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 08:00 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: RK == Rudolf Kastl che...@gmail.com writes: RK http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7794 RK guess you pulled that somewhere else. fedpkg co xorg-x11-drv-intel; less xorg-x11-drv-intel/*spec 2.13.901 wasn't

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 04:05 -0500, Jon Masters wrote: +1 for bringing these points up. No offense to krh (because it's nice technology) but you can pull my genuine networked applications from my cold dead hands. I agree that I see this ongoing trend to move toward things that are fluffy and

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 11:44 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: I think we'd like to see the Fedora community figure out its position on the subject— so that it can tell the Wayland developers If you continue on this track, then as things stand, Fedora will not be making it a part of the default

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 17:40 +, Andrew Haley wrote: I'm wondering of I'm reading this correctly. The downsides that have been described are quite severe in contrast to the possible benefits. It is, of course, possible that a mistake has been made, and the acute loss of functionality is

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
was a non-issue because GTK/QT apps would support both wayland and X. Here you're saying that wayland will have network transparency? I'm Adam Jackson. That was Adam Williamson. We look a bit alike over ASCII I suppose, but in meatspace my hair is more likely to be interesting colors. And I'm saying

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 10:54 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 13:43 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: - All my X apps have to be ported! Yes, if they want to be native wayland clients, they do. Minor correction (I think?) - the apps don't really need to be ported

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 13:34 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com said: - We lose network transparency! Well, sure, the protocol doesn't have that directly. You can still do vnc-like things trivially and with a VNC-like remoting is a significant loss

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 17:55 +, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: Remoting a wayland application is _trivial_. Either to an X or to a wayland view system. It's hard to make wayland remoting less flexible than X over the network

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 16:26 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 04:17:25PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: The UX will probably be somewhere between ssh -Y, vncserver(1), and: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=651591 Hopefully with a better security model than 'ssh -Y

Orphaning a few packages

2010-11-08 Thread Adam Jackson
I've got some stuff that I can't really give proper attention to, and I'd rather not even get the bugmail. I just packaged them because I wanted to consume them, not because I wanted to own them. So, free to a good home: bing bootchart powertop wdfs Already orphaned in pkgdb for rawhide, first

Re: Compile with -fno-omit-frame-pointer on x86_64?

2010-11-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 19:58 +0100, Jakub Jelinek wrote: On Wed, Nov 03, 2010 at 02:48:12PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: Basically summarizes the situation, and as far as I know nothing has changed ... with default compilation options, getting callgraph profiling on x86_64 really requires a

Re: coming libnotify bump

2010-11-02 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 11:33 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 11/01/2010 09:12 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: I am planning to push libnotify 0.7.0 into rawhide by the end of this week; this is going to be a little painful, since there are some api changes that will require minor adjustment of

Re: coming libnotify bump

2010-11-02 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 12:11 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: As far as I can tell, none of the callers to pynotify.init() pass any named arguments, so nothing should notice the lack of attach=. I only searched for explicit calls to pynotify.init, if someone's doing like foo = pynotify

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-11-03)

2010-11-02 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 14:30 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 18:30UTC (2:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. NOTE: Matthew Garrett, Steven Parrish, Bill Nottingham and Matthias Clasen are all

Heads up: libOSMesa soname bump and etc

2010-10-20 Thread Adam Jackson
We've been carrying a patch to libOSMesa for far too long now to fix the soname at .6, since there was no actual ABI change between .6 and .7. I'm tired of porting the patch so it'll be libOSMesa.so.7 in the next Mesa build in F15. The only affected packages seem to be vtk and paraview, so I'll

Re: unowned dirs

2010-10-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 17:07 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: BTW, it's annoying that rpm allows only 1 %files -f. http://rpm.org/wiki/Releases/4.8.0 %files now accepts multiple filelists through -f (ticket #70, RhBug:475359) - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Heads up: libOSMesa soname bump and etc

2010-10-20 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 12:12 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: Please fix https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=635865 while you're at it, or paraview won't build. Thanks! Done (upstream, even), thanks! - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-14 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 01:39 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Er, really? I don't see where I offered any insult or un-excellent-ness. I just meant it as a vaguely humorous way of wondering why Kevin was replying to an email I sent over a week ago in a discussion which I

Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 15:21 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 09:51:41AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: I would like to see you create a Fedora Remix spin with this change to illustrate the benefits. That way we can evaluate feasibility and overall value add before we dive

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 11:46 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: I don't blanket label everything with open code as free software. Some stuff bundles things which make it non-free. Code open-ness != free. You can call Firefox open source if you want, but it's not free software. You certainly have the

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-27 Thread Adam Jackson
On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 15:13 +0200, Till Maas wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:48:34AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: Say you ship with 50 bugs in a package. As you update it through the lifetime of a release, that number should decrease more or less monotonically. The bugs that take

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-23 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 08:39 +0200, Till Maas wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 04:45:30PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 22:21 +0200, Till Maas wrote: This here sounds strange: | The update rate for any given release should drop off over time, | approaching zero near

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-23 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 12:18 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: On 22.09.2010 22:45, Adam Jackson wrote: Again: if we kept updating everything to the very latest thing all the time, why even bother doing releases. Everyone would just run rawhide. Right? No, because with rawhide you get

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 22:21 +0200, Till Maas wrote: This here sounds strange: | The update rate for any given release should drop off over time, | approaching zero near release end-of-life; since updates are primarily | bugfixes, fewer and fewer should be needed over time. This essentially

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 13:42 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 19:30UTC (3:30pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Apologies, I won't be able to make this, I'll be on a plane headed to France for XDS. -

Re: font dependency packaging question

2010-09-01 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 20:58 -0700, Carl Byington wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have a package (ghemical) which requires a courier 12 font for use in its xwindow gui. I clearly need some dependency that will drag in xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-1-100dpi or

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-31 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 22:13 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: (Is it actually impossible for the vesa driver to work after KMS has kicked in, btw, or is it just something that doesn't work at present?) Right now, it may work or it may not. Typically the vesa bios assumes it's the only thing

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 01:43 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/26/2010 01:22 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: I don't have time for it, and I think it's fundamentally misguided. If someone else feels like owning it, go wild. This will probably also require access to the upstream repo, so, do

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:59 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Jackson wrote: Static configuration should be something you can do from the dynamic configuration tool. gnome-display-properties should have a set as default button. Uh… 1. Not everyone uses GNOME. Demonstrably true, but I

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-26 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 15:59 -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:59 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Jackson wrote: Static configuration should be something you can do from the dynamic configuration

Orphaned package: system-config-display

2010-08-25 Thread Adam Jackson
I don't have time for it, and I think it's fundamentally misguided. If someone else feels like owning it, go wild. This will probably also require access to the upstream repo, so, do speak up if you take it so we can sort that out. - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: git rebase OK on Fedora git branches?

2010-08-24 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 14:43 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Is it OK to use 'git rebase -i' to compress my mistakes together into a single working Fedora git commit? (Provided I don't push things in between or otherwise try to rewrite public history) Yes. I'm a bit confused by whether

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 08:45 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 23:06 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: BOOTUP - System boots successfully to GUI, when configured. - System boots successfully to text mode, when configured. - System properly handles being passed [1-5],

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-23 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 15:48 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 20:37 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Given the degree to which sysadmins are religious about MTA choice, I'd suspect that a large proportion of people who run an MTA on Fedora are probably already swapping it out

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-19 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 1994-08-19 at 16:22 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: I want none of that useless crap, thank you very much! Applications should be written as applications, delivered through our package repository, in a compiled language. Web sites should just be web sites and have as little code as

Re: Javascript JIT in web browsers

2010-08-19 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-19 at 15:01 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: If we tolerate any non free software then what's the point? Why not just run Windows or OSX? Received: from mail-fx0-f45.google.com (mail-fx0-f45.google.com [209.85.161.45]) by smtp-mm1.fedoraproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-13 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 12:43 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said: I tried many things, even running for FESCo and getting voted in. As you can see, it didn't achieve anything either. Is it impossible for you to accept the fact that not

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 15:00 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: EDID DDC are mere conveniences unnecessary to the function of the device. I really couldn't care less whether EDID/DDC exists, much less works. What matters (works just fine) from a display, which may have been manufactured before the

Re: F14/F13 - system-config-display - should it work?

2010-08-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 15:13 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: For the benefit of those few, and there will likely always be some, for whom automatic isn't, some tool is needed upstream in Xorg, possibly SaX2 or SCD at least as a starting point. A wider call for a maintainer of SaX2 or SCD or some

Re: vesa-mode Anaconda install

2010-08-11 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 08:20 -0700, Bob Arendt wrote: If support for text mode installation is dead (or dying), recent traffic on the test develop list indicates that there's still a strong need to have a fall-back installation mode. Just in case the your particular version of Radeon, NVidia,

Re: Intel 82Q35 / framebuffer problem

2010-08-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 23:12 +0200, Jos Vos wrote: On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 04:41:33PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: This is almost certainly the root of the problem. We don't try to set up SDVO devices if they're not listed in the VBT, but not having a VBT means nothing's gonna be listed

Re: Intel 82Q35 / framebuffer problem

2010-08-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:18 +0200, Jos Vos wrote: On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 03:26:16PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: intel-...@lists.freedesktop.org would be the place to go for this. As a guess, you've got LVDS attached over SDVO and we screwed that up again. I'm happy to do that, but I

Re: local / scratch builds with fedpkg

2010-08-03 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 15:06 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: $ i386 fedpkg local --arch=i686 ... + ./configure --build=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu --host=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu --program-prefix= --disable-dependency-tracking --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin

Re: cgit instead of gitweb?

2010-07-30 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 12:41 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi Any particular reason we are using gitweb at http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/. Cgit is used in freedesktop.org is much more faster and resource efficient. With my fd.o hat on: Our experience with cgit hasn't been completely

Re: gcc-4.5-RH in F14

2010-07-08 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 11:31 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: A mass rebuild would be recommended as the new compiler will produce faster code. I believe everything will benefit and it's worth looking into. For example I noticed a significant difference on the OpenSUSE distro when GCC was upgraded

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-07-06 at 19:30UTC)

2010-07-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 11:23 +0200, Till Maas wrote: On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 09:56:50PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the

Re: Proposed release criteria additions for F14+

2010-06-30 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 16:49 -0400, Dave Jones wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 11:28:16AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: * The desktop default update manager must not periodically check for updates when the system is booted live, but must periodically check for updates when running on

Re: debuginfo for sub packages (Help with RPM SPEC files)

2010-06-16 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 09:47 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 09:37 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: I can't speak to Trever's case, but I can say that it's pretty irritating to need debuginfo for every compiler in gcc when all I really need is debuginfo for libgcc

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 10:56 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 05/07/2010 08:48 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote: Although I don't agree with many of them in a lot of places, I strongly support Kevin's, Ralf's and others position that the current development is very harmful to the development of

Re: 10 Remaining F13Blocker bugs

2010-05-04 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 16:21 -0400, James Laska wrote: = kernel = * 587171 kernel (a...@redhat.com) NEW - Intel kms leads to an all black display Upon closer reading, I think this fixed by the same patch as fixed 584229; they're still separate bugs, but that just means the logic

Re: Fwd: Btrfs compression

2010-04-30 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 07:43 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: How to recompress data already on btrfs partition? find / -xdev -type f | while read i; do cp $i /tmp/tmp rm $i mv /tmp/tmp $i done Obviously, don't actually run that. - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally

Re: Heads up! Erlang package becomes modularized in Fedora.

2010-04-12 Thread Adam Jackson
On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 16:56 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote: I did some investigation, and find a way to completely modularize whole Erlang package. In a few words - main package consists of purely virtual 'erlang' package and a dozens of sub-packages (from erlang-appmon to erlang-xmerl - one

Re: vga_switcharoo

2010-04-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 20:40 -0400, Mail Lists wrote: On 04/08/2010 08:56 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: nouveau has powered down the nvidia if it's not in use for some time now. Ah that is good news ... which kernel are we speaking about here and are you saying this will happen even

Re: Moving libcrypto.so.* back to /lib

2010-04-09 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 10:17 +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote: So I got convinced that libcrypto.so.* should be moved back to /lib in the https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=559953 The libssl.so.* will stay in /usr/lib though. I will do that change in F14 packages. Till Maas asked me for this

Re: vga_switcharoo

2010-04-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 18:11 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 09:14:09AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: FWIW, I figure the support is currently reasonably useless for NVIDIA chips, as there's nothing for which nouveau-on-NVIDIA is actually faster than intel-on-Intel in

Re: X vt selection in F-13

2010-04-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 13:56 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: So, how is the select of which VT X is to run on supposed to work in F-13? It appears that kdm can get it wrong, my guess is a race between kdm and mingetty startup. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=577482 Do gdm

Re: Linker trouble

2010-03-26 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 06:38 +0100, Lubomir Rintel wrote: Hi, I'm wondering if anyone could enlighten me about why does --as-needed make a difference here? (let alone the order in which -lGL appears). Because order matters. Linker arguments are positional. Object files are walked left to

Re: Fedora has become fat!

2010-03-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 01:50 +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: Why has Fedora become so fat in the F13 development cycle? * The LXDE Spin has grown from 464 MB to 509 MB [1] without a single change in the Spin. There actually was a change, SLIM was replaced with LXDM, but

Re: should man-pages-* have Requires: man?

2010-03-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 11:56 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/10/2010 11:40 AM, Ivana Hutarova Varekova wrote: from my point of view, the vast majority of users uses man to show the wanted man-page content (the reason to add the dependency). Agreed. Actually, I am having problems to

Re: F13 -EGPUDRIVERNOWORKIE

2010-03-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 17:20 +0100, Michal Hlavinka wrote: On Wednesday 10 March 2010 17:14:41 Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, I tried to install this new Goddard thing on my laptop and it seems to be b0rken https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=572243 Any chance to get graphical

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