Re: Development to release quality

2011-09-12 Thread Alex Hudson
On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 12:01 +0200, Matej Cepl wrote: Dne 12.9.2011 11:26, Alex Hudson napsal(a): I view this as entirely equivalent to having a rule about not breaking trunk in version control: I don't know anyone who seriously argues that breaking a project compile is a good thing

Re: Development to release quality (was: Re: openssh: no pre-release sanity check?)

2011-09-12 Thread Alex Hudson
On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 13:43 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: If something fails to COMPILE, this actually hinders development. In fact, I'm one of the first ones to yell if package builds in Rawhide are broken (due to some dependency breakage or whatever). Something failing to RUN is a wholely

Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread Alex Hudson
On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 09:57 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: What do the people who are using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? My expectation is something that basically works. Like others have said, I expect occasional breakage, but my rawhide criterion is latest version

Re: Broken dependencies: pino

2011-09-08 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 16:52 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 09/08/2011 04:43 PM, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: Given that several changes are needed, it's probably best for one of the Pino maintainers to make the update (I'd not feel comfortable doing anything more than just adjusting for

Status of pino in F15

2011-04-08 Thread Alex Hudson
Hi all, I apologise if this sounds like a bit of an extended whinge; it's not meant to but I'm not sure how better to raise these issues. I've spent a half-hour this morning going through various bits of pino and raising appropriate bugs, as I'm now using F15 as my full-time system (and I'm a

Re: Status of pino in F15

2011-04-08 Thread Alex Hudson
Adam, On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 08:58 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 08:58 +0100, Alex Hudson wrote: I apologise for bringing this up so late in the beta cycle - I'm sure the beta is spinning as I type - but I honestly don't think it can ship in this state. As far

Re: manually fixing IPs

2011-03-26 Thread Alex Hudson
On Sat, 2011-03-26 at 07:05 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: So, back in the good old days, one could just type this: Just to try to get the interface left alone. Isn't the way just to put NM_CONTROLLED=no in the relevant interface config file? Even if you're not statically configuring an actual

Re: Orphaning some packages

2011-03-13 Thread Alex Hudson
On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 11:04 -0400, Brian Pepple wrote: I'm orphaning the following packages: * json-glib I'm not sure if this would be better maintained alongside glib, but I use this library and would happily [co]maintain it. Thanks Alex. -- This message was scanned by Better

[Guidelines] MUST: use ExcludeArch over ExclusiveArch

2010-12-10 Thread Alex Hudson
Hi everyone, I have a small issue with the review of the v8 package that I'm currently looking at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634909#c18 The short story is this; the packaging guidelines state that for every architecture a package doesn't build on, the .spec should list

Re: Urgent: today's F14 catastrophe with openldap-servers update

2010-11-23 Thread Alex Hudson
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 17:09 +0100, Jan Vcelak wrote: This is the problem: The database migration could take a really long time. I have testing data with 56 entries (nodes) - exporting (slapcat) is quite fast, but importing (slapadd) takes around 10 seconds. Imagine you have a large

nouveau gnome-shell (was: Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland)

2010-11-07 Thread Alex Hudson
On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 16:00 +, Camilo Mesias wrote: You mention gnome shell but not nouveau, how do you enable the missing 3d support for Nouveau? There's an Mesa package labelled experimental you need to install. I don't know what the subset of hardware it works for is, but my Quadro NVS

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-23 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 03:42 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: I think Kevin's proposal is written fairly with the given information. Still, I believe that the stable update guide needs to be relaxed for software that doesn't affect anything other than itself. There are single library packages that

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-22 Thread Alex Hudson
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 12:35 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Alex Hudson fed...@alexhudson.com wrote: I think there's one thing missing: some discussion about the guiding principles about where these rules came from. Well, there is the Boards vision that this came out of: https

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-09 Thread Alex Hudson
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 22:21 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 08 septembre 2010 à 19:07 +0100, Alex Hudson a écrit : The i18n situation is also pretty sad from my point of view too. If you use pretty much any design app, OO Writer and Inkscape being the ones which cause me pain

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-09 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 11:03 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: I'm interested in font installing, but I think it might be better to integrate this with app-install rather than packagekit, as app-install has a pointer to a screenshot URL we can show in the preview window. I'm not sure why this should

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-09 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 13:49 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 12:24, Alex Hudson a écrit : What you really want is a font store which has functionality like this: http://code.google.com/webfonts/preview#font-family=Cantarell What you do not realize

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-09 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 15:05 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 14:29, Alex Hudson a écrit : .TTF fonts (as an example) just aren't very big. I tried a sample font in my .fonts directory, it's 75K and five lines of varied The quick brown fox.. in PNG format comes out

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-08 Thread Alex Hudson
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 09:18 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Just to be clear. When users want a to get a new font what is the ideal software interaction path you expect them to take to find fonts? It's not clear that app-install is what you expect them to interact with. I do sort of expect normal

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Alex Hudson
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 18:49 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 15:47 -0700, Bob Arendt wrote: I think it would be much better for Fedora to decide what it *should* be, specifically what the Fedora userspace should be, and excel at that. Don't follow the market or worry about

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-26 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: We probably need to attack this trend more aggressively, like putting expiration dates into the installer after which it'll just refuse to install Honestly, that's just a great way to turn more people off. There are plenty of valid

Re: JBoss stalled (was Re: status of some packages ??)

2010-06-05 Thread Alex Hudson
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 16:10 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: Matěj, as I'm sure you know, we could find a lawyer who would tell us just about anything we wanted to hear. I consulted with Red Hat Legal, and the conclusion that we came to was that it was not possible for the copyright holders to

Re: JBoss stalled (was Re: status of some packages ??)

2010-06-03 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 12:29 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 06/03/2010 11:54 AM, Iain Arnell wrote: And slightly weird that it's okay for Red Hat to distribute it themselves, both commercially and as open source from jboss.org, but it's questionable for Fedora. I can't speak on what

Re: JBoss stalled (was Re: status of some packages ??)

2010-06-03 Thread Alex Hudson
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 15:09 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: The argument that everyone else is doing it, so it must be fine is also completely false. As my mother eloquently put it to me at age 6, If everyone jumped off a bridge, would you?. That's not the argument I'm putting forward. The

Re: Open Letter: Why I, Kevin Kofler, am not rerunning for FESCo

2010-05-03 Thread Alex Hudson
On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 02:20 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: But if you want to see the kind of change to FESCo I'd like to see, it'll take a faction of at least 5 people to make it happen. Surely this is the point: if there are not sufficient candidates with a particular point of view, that's hardly

Re: Open Letter: Why I, Kevin Kofler, am not rerunning for FESCo

2010-05-03 Thread Alex Hudson
On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 19:34 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Alex Hudson wrote: I think it's a bit disingenuous to talk about prevailing opinion of the mailing list otherwise; to me a lot of the discussion looks an awful lot like a vocal minority I think it's quite cheap to write off

Re: Beware: Thunderbird (ver 3.0.1) CORRUPTS all email state

2010-01-28 Thread Alex Hudson
I don't usually throw in my 2p on subjective issues like this, but... On 28/01/10 13:17, Steve Dickson wrote: Most of us really take pride in making sure what we push out to the community has been tested and will not be disruptive or destructive. Then there a small group of people that simply