Re: Issues with yum

2012-02-27 Thread James Antill
On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 17:45 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:56:12AM -0500, Genes MailLists wrote: > > On 02/27/2012 11:44 AM, Sandro Mani wrote: > > > > > will leave your system in a state where manual cleanup is likely > > >> required. > > > One scenario which I ofte

Re: Issues with yum

2012-02-27 Thread James Antill
On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 12:25 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:24:55 -0700, > > Chris Murphy wrote: > >> > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemRollbackWithBtrfs > > > > Yeah being able to rollback file

Re: Issues with yum

2012-02-27 Thread James Antill
On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 19:22 +0530, elison.ni...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mon, Feb 27 12:13:07 UTC 2012, Josh Boyer jwboyer at gmail.com wrote > > >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:44 AM, elison.niven at gmail.com: > >> I forgot to add: > >> 8) Yum cannot use an iso image as a repo without mounting it. > >

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 15:58 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > > [root@nostromo ~]# mv /bin /cow > > > [root@nostromo ~]# /cow/ln -s /cow /bin > > > [root@nostromo ~]# rpm -qf /cow/bash > > > bash-4.2.20-1.fc16.

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 11:03 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > > > To be precise: > > > > > > [root@nostromo ~]# mv /bin /cow > > > [root@nostromo ~]# /cow/ln -s /cow /bin > > > [root@nostromo ~]# rpm -qf /cow/bash > > > bash-4.2.20-1.fc16.x86_64 > > > [root@nos

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 10:52 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: > > Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Martin Langhoff > > > wrote: > > > >> But you can add: > > > >> > > > >> Provides: /bin/foo > > > > > > > > Ugh!

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread James Antill
On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 15:47 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Martin Langhoff (martin.langh...@gmail.com) said: > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > > Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The > > > directories > > > /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will

Re: Package categorization and distribution construction

2012-01-25 Thread James Antill
On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 08:54 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: > > Great idea, I would also love to see a clear out of the packages that > > aren't core/part of particular categories. MTAs in minimal would be > > one that comes to mind but there's lots of o

Re: how to block grub2 update?

2011-10-24 Thread James Antill
On Mon, 2011-10-24 at 18:56 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to know if it is possible to block grub2 update? I tried > to use versionlock but unfortunately this does not work. Do anyone > knows some other effective way to block this update? versionlock doesn't stop obsolet

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

2011-09-16 Thread James Antill
On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 19:42 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > There's really nothing special about a package manager I assure you. Assuming, for a moment, that You; Seth and I are all equally experienced in package management and that while you would "assure" that, we would ... not. Given that, I'

Re: Yum S3 plugin

2011-09-15 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 21:48 -0700, Jorge Gallegos wrote: > So, I gather no one can shed some light on this? anyone? bueller? > > The bug (point #2) doesn't really stop the plugin from working, but it is > annoying. > > Any help would be much appreciated You'd probably have been better off mail

Re: RPM version goes backward in Rawhide

2011-07-28 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 09:19 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On 7/27/11 2:03 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > In this case, the bad rpm-build broke koji builds, and since Rawhide > > may eat babies, it can happen that Rawhide users need downgrade manually > > while they have to wait for the fixed rpm-b

Re: rawhide openssh-server update kills sshd

2011-07-27 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 23:46 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 26.07.11 17:16, James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: > > > > Perhaps it's because in %postun it has "systemctl try-restart > > > sshd.service" where it used to have "servic

Re: rawhide openssh-server update kills sshd

2011-07-26 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 21:28 +0100, Paul Howarth wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:13:59 -0400 > Dave Jones wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 06:22:50PM +0200, Jim Meyering wrote: > > > FYI, I've just yum-updated my rawhide VM to the latest > > > (but not from the console) and was surprised to

Re: Starting user UIDs at 1000 - please check your packages

2011-07-21 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 22:59 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:55 PM, James Antill > wrote: > > Is it really necessary to change this in %pre ... can't you just copy > > your old login.defs file over the installed one during kickstart %post >

Re: Starting user UIDs at 1000 - please check your packages

2011-07-20 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 18:28 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote: > > I normally build systems with (at least!) a separate /boot, / and /home. > > This lets me do a full install, blow away old fedora system partitions and > > not lose any user data. > >

Re: PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)

2011-04-26 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 19:23 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Florian Festi wrote: > > I think if anybody can come up with a exact description how they should > > look like and how they should work and can create some evidence that > > this is want we need and want implementing them is not the problem[*

Re: PackageKit in Fedora 15 (beta)

2011-04-26 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 15:31 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Daniel Mach wrote: > > From my POV, RPM Requires should contain only deps which are *required* > > for a particular package. Suggests/Recommends is really missing > > AIUI, Suggests/Recommends was almost accepted in rpm.org (BTW, rpm5.org h

Re: [Yum-devel] [GSoC] Avahi repositories for yum

2011-03-23 Thread James Antill
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 01:48 +0800, Yin Qiu wrote: > Hi, > > I'm Yin from China. As the subject line says, I'd like to apply for > the summer project of adding automatic repo discovery for yum. I've > personally contacted Roland McGrath, who is supposed to be the mentor > for this project, and he t

Re: fail to install gcc on fresh rawhide-from-F15

2011-02-22 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 22:38 +0100, Jim Meyering wrote: > Hi, > > With some effort, and help from the guys on #anaconda@freenode (thanks!), > today I finally installed a bare-metal F15 system (part of the complication > was my existing partitions). > > Then I updated it to rawhide. However, the w

Re: mass rebuild status

2011-02-08 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 20:49 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 20:00:44 -0500 > Josh Boyer wrote: > > > I believe this wiki page should have been included in the announce > > mail: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_Mass_Rebuild > > > > For those that don't particularl

Re: @core in F14 pulls in libX11

2011-01-27 Thread James Antill
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 22:54 -0800, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: > It seems that the "core" yum group pulls in X11 libraries, at the very > least on x86_64, via the following dependency chain: > > policycoreutils > dbus-glib > gobject-introspection > cairo > libX11 It's probably worth noting that th

Re: Help to solve a possible circular Requires:

2010-12-03 Thread James Antill
On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 10:24 +0100, Fabio M. Di Nitto wrote: > Hi all, > > I am seeking some help here to solve a possible $subject. I have been > trying to find a simple alternate solution, but I just can´t see it or > it´s not obvious to me. > > This is the situation: > > srpm foo 1.0 ships 2 r

Re: [HEADS-UP] Moving /var/run and /var/lock to tmpfs in Rawhide

2010-11-24 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 13:39 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 03:58:26PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Wed, 24.11.10 03:02, Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > A question I'd have when looking over a proposed packaging guideline would > > > be: why

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-24 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 10:19 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 17:18:44 +0100, > Michał Piotrowski wrote: > > W dniu 21 listopada 2010 12:13 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski > > napisał: > > > We can create a list of all scripts in wiki and > > > maintainers of individual packa

Re: RPM: signing uncompressed data instead of signed data?

2010-11-11 Thread James Antill
On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 10:17 -0500, Andre Robatino wrote: > James Antill wrote: > > > IMO, as has been said before, if you have a delta method that doesn't > > produce the exact same bits at the end ... you've probably failed. It > > might seem like a good idea,

Re: RPM: signing uncompressed data instead of signed data?

2010-11-11 Thread James Antill
ta method that doesn't produce the exact same bits at the end ... you've probably failed. It might seem like a good idea, but even if you go to the extreme lengths needed to make it just for yum ... things like reposync won't be able to use it, Eg. http://james.fed

Re: Polyinstantiated /tmp

2010-11-01 Thread James Antill
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 15:07 -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 08:13 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > > I have been trying to get system processes to stop using /tmp for years. > > > > http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/11467.html > > > > As some one who lives with polyinstatiated na

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-10-26) NEW TIME!

2010-10-29 Thread James Antill
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 12:18 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 02:32:52PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You want the libcap-ng-utils RPMs which provides a bunch of useful tools > > > for th

Re: rawhide report: 20101019 changes

2010-10-19 Thread James Antill
quot; (the only thing you can tweak with the bind trick, AIUI)? I thought someone mentioned noatime... -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.org "... so the consumable rawhide is likely not to get as many updates as its users would like to have." -- Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list de

Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-12 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 16:00 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:11 -0400, Chris Lumens wrote: > > > - suggests a username and hostname based on the user's real name > > >(Mac OS X's installer also does this -- it's a nice touch) > > > > If DNS knows a hostname, we will sug

Re: Getting more info about updates on headless server

2010-09-30 Thread James Antill
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 22:45 +0100, Richard Fearn wrote: > Hi, > > I have yum-updatesd installed on a headless Fedora server, so every so > often I get the email saying there are updates available. > > The email itself doesn't tell me much about the updates (e.g. for > iproute tonight it said it w

Re: Fedora "backports" repo?

2010-09-23 Thread James Antill
On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 01:29 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > Michał Piotrowski wrote: > > 2010/9/21 Björn Persson : > > > How hard would it be to "cherry-pick" from this backports repository? To > > > install a newer Firefox from there for example, but keep the PostgreSQL > > > from the ordinary Fedor

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-17 Thread James Antill
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 18:37 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 17 September 2010 16:39, FlorianFesti wrote: > > open the payload and unpack the content of the desktop files... > > I got told by infrastructure this would take too much bandwidth and > too much time to do on each compose. It takes

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-16 Thread James Antill
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 16:57 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 16 September 2010 15:01, James Antill wrote: > > Err ... PackageKit is currently the cross distro. way to work with > > distro. package managers, nothing outside of that layer should ever know > > (or care) whe

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-16 Thread James Antill
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 10:57 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > > On 13 September 2010 21:49, James Antill wrote: > >> So Seth spent half a day implementing a proof of concept: > >> http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2010/08/19

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-15 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 16:38 +0200, FlorianFesti wrote: > So I would suggest an UI that gives a summery (Didn't we already have > that in the past?) and offers 3 buttons: > > [Show/Hide Details] [Do not install updates now] [Install updates now] > > The first being a toggle button hiding/showing

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-14 Thread James Antill
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 22:39 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 13 September 2010 21:49, James Antill wrote: > > So Seth spent half a day implementing a proof of concept: > > http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/fedora-app-market-proof-of-concept/ > > Translations? They

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-13 Thread James Antill
ain, so Seth spent half a day implementing a proof of concept: http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/fedora-app-market-proof-of-concept/ To repeat _nobody_, that I know of, is arguing that we shouldn't do something. The problem is in rushing from there to "XYZ is something. We sho

Re: Koji crashes Chromium [was Rawhide Koji borked??]

2010-09-07 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 17:41 -0700, J. Randall Owens wrote: > On 09/07/2010 05:33 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > >Problem with yum - I cannot seem to find the equivalent of the --test > > rpm option ? Well you can do: yum blah --setopt=tsflags=test ...which is exactly --test, including running

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-07 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 11:48 -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:39 AM, James Antill wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 15:42 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > >> On 7 September 2010 15:23, James Antill wrote: > >> > Are you having any discu

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-07 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 16:54 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 7 September 2010 16:39, James Antill wrote: > > However this is very much the same problem as a user trying to find > > "sql server" and getting results like "voms-mysql-plugin" etc. If you > &

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-07 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 15:42 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 7 September 2010 15:23, James Antill wrote: > > Are you having any discussions about applications like postfix, or is > > version 2 going to be just GUI stuff? > > Postfix is not an application. Applications ha

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-07 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 14:17 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 7 September 2010 14:11, seth vidal wrote: > > okay - I'll bite - why do we want to make it less distro-specific? > > For the same reason as pirut and pup were replaced. Fedora is *not* a > big enough ecosystem to drive fully localized

Re: [HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

2010-07-21 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 17:16 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" said: > >> And as the general rule goes "native configuration breaks legacy > >> configuration" so if a native systemd $service file does exist t

Re: Question regarding dist-git aesthetics with branches

2010-07-21 Thread James Antill
ake yum's depsolver cry Even assuming we could make sure that does the correct thing (it probably would but I know it's not tested :), adding 40,000 obsoletes to the repo. is ... let's say: unlikely to make yum faster. -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.org http://yum

Re: Question regarding dist-git aesthetics with branches

2010-07-21 Thread James Antill
using only a single letter for the dist seems overly space optimizing ... if you just want to remove all references to Fedora Core, propose it changes to "fed14" or even just rename what the c stands for (like the GCC rename). -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.org http://yum.base

Re: [HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

2010-07-15 Thread James Antill
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 16:59 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > I.e. generally we have the rule that "native configuration breaks legacy > configuration". You already said this, and I responded. > However, to make the inittab stuff useful we'd have to > turn that around, and say that "legacy br

Re: [HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

2010-07-14 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 23:19 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 14.07.10 17:01, James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: > > But your runlevel is not a service configuration, so I see no reason > > why you couldn't say "if there is an 'id

Re: [HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

2010-07-14 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 22:38 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 14.07.10 16:03, James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: > > > > > Or you could just parse inittab and notice when runlevel 3 was listed. > > > > Keeps everything nice and compatible,

Re: [HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

2010-07-14 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 21:08 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 14.07.10 14:24, Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) wrote: > > > > /etc/systemd/system. You could do this: > > > > > > /etc/systemd/system/default.target → /lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target > > > > > > to avoid the graphical UI

Re: [HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

2010-07-14 Thread James Antill
er versioned Obsoletes, but this time from upstart. (which is > > exactly what James Antill proposed in his mail) > > > > Or in other words: I'd like to make this switch for the whole distro, > > not leave it to the individual machines. > > > > So, unless there is re

Re: [HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

2010-07-14 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:58 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: > > Since the acceptance by FESCO it has been added to Rawhide together with > > patched or updated versions of a few related packages. However, what has > > not been done so far is making i

Re: dist-git testers wanted!

2010-07-13 Thread James Antill
es/GitPython/0.2.0/0.1.beta1.fc13/noarch/GitPython-0.2.0-0.1.beta1.fc13.noarch.rpm > > fixes this :) Or: yum install http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/GitPython/0.2.0/0.1.beta1.fc13/noarch/GitPython-0.2.0-0.1.beta1.fc13.noarch.rpm ...if you don't want the rpmdb warnings, an

Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release

2010-07-01 Thread James Antill
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 12:06 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 12:31:06AM -0400, James Antill wrote: > > I thought the idea was that critpath packages would be in a critpath > > group in comps? > > I just looked and there are two such groups: > critical-p

Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release

2010-06-30 Thread James Antill
a yum enhancement or plugin to restrict e.g. update or check-update > on only critpath updates might be interesting for people only interested > in critpath testing. I thought the idea was that critpath packages would be in a critpath group in comps? -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.org

Re: How to lure me to updates-testing

2010-06-30 Thread James Antill
nabled. Atm. I just enable updates-testing, but hopefully we'll eventually get to a place where we can enabled based on repodata tags and those aliases will also enable rpmfusion-*testing etc. if you have the main repos. enabled. -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.org http://yum.baseu

Re: libjpeg-turbo conflicts in rawhide

2010-06-30 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 11:16 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 11:11 -0400, James Antill wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:04 -0400, Rich Mattes wrote: > > > > > > > So this is a bug with yum not handling package obsoletes correctly > > >

Re: libjpeg-turbo conflicts in rawhide

2010-06-30 Thread James Antill
ibjpeg 2. The provider for that is the libjpeg package. 3. The libjpeg package is obsoleted by libjpeg-turbo. 4. But, libjpeg-turbo doesn't provide "libjpeg", which is the requirement we are doing all this for ... so ignore the obsolete and install libjpeg. -- James Antill - ja

Re: rfc: python2.7 for F14

2010-06-22 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 23:26 +0200, Thomas Spura wrote: > How about this? > """ > import os > > p = set() > > for pkg in os.popen('repoquery --whatrequires --alldeps "python(abi) = > 2.6"'): > pkg = pkg.strip() > print "Checking %s" % pkg > p.add(os.popen('repoquery -s %s' % pkg).read

Re: pidgin obsoleting itself

2010-06-09 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 21:38 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:39:52 -0400, James wrote: > > And if the user never has pkgA-1 installed, and does "install > > pkgA-blah" then that's all they'll get. > > If you modify the scenario, we will talk past eachother. > The scenario i

Re: pidgin obsoleting itself

2010-06-09 Thread James Antill
#1, #2 or #3. If you only want them to be able to choose between #1 and #2 (or #1 and #3) then you need some kind of requires _as well_. But that's because you have some requirement _as well_ as just a package split. -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.org http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/whatsn

Re: pidgin obsoleting itself

2010-06-09 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 18:08 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:38:48 +0100, Stu wrote: > > > I implemented it based on recommendations on the yum wiki that I saw > > someone else referred to in #fedora-devel : > > http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/YumPackageUpdates#Packagesplit > >

Re: llvm case study: yum's handling of newly-converted noarch subpackages

2010-06-09 Thread James Antill
orks fine now for all users updating llvm via. a repo (like updates or updates-testing). 3. It is fixed upstream. -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.org http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/whatsnew/3.2.28 http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/YumBenchmarks http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/YumHistory -- devel maili

Re: initscripts-9.12-1.fc13 update not installable

2010-06-07 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 00:42 +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Michel Alexandre Salim > wrote: > > Here are the x86_64 package versions: > > > > $ rpm -q NetworkManager initscripts > > NetworkManager-0.8.0-0.4.git20100211.fc13.x86_64 > > initscripts-9.11-1.fc13

Re: about php-qa, phpUnderControl and meta packages

2010-06-03 Thread James Antill
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 05:04 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > James Antill wrote: > > 2. There's no way to do the groupremove operation, easily. > > The groupremove operation is completely and utterly broken by design anyway: It doesn't act perfectly, in all cases, no. [

Re: about php-qa, phpUnderControl and meta packages

2010-06-03 Thread James Antill
e one advantage they have (you can update the metapackage and have the new members added everywhere) will go away when we get groups as objects. 8. If you want to remove part of a metapackage, you have to remove the metapackage itself ... and thus. lose the only advantage they have. 9.

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 23:15 +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote: > On Wednesday 02 June 2010, James Antill wrote: > > > The self obsolete ones are wrong, being able to do: > > > > Name: foo > > Provide: bar = 2 > > Obsolete: bar <= 2 > > > > ...is comp

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

2010-06-02 Thread James Antill
rade [...] > Which of those messages do you consider noise and why? Most of them > look valid to me, though they are indeed nits. The self obsolete ones are wrong, being able to do: Name: foo Provide: bar = 2 Obsolete: bar <= 2 ...is completely legal and needed for rename/merging whic

Re: Remove 1507 Package(s) ?

2010-05-27 Thread James Antill
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 17:27 +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > On 27 May 2010 16:43, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > > I've just seen exactly the same thing with a system going from F12 to > > F13 with preupgrade. BZ filed here: > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=596840 > > > > As Set

Re: Packages depending on Yelp

2010-05-25 Thread James Antill
inary that says yelp isn't there and a "yelp" package which is the real thing. Then "yum install yelp" will install the pkg. yelp, and "yum install blah" will install yelp-nothing as a dep. ¹ http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/CompareProviders -- James An

Re: short window between fedora-release update and resuming of updates-testing

2010-05-18 Thread James Antill
l downgrade everything to the latest available version (or try). This doesn't work over obsoletes, due to their one way nature, but should be good enough for most "updates-testing downgrades". > In practice it shouldn't be a hugely horrible problem after a few > days/weeks,

Re: Fedora 13 continuing the tradition of being an update monster

2010-05-11 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 19:10 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 05/11/2010 07:03 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 18:44 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >> On 05/11/2010 06:27 PM, James Antill wrote: > >>>As I said in another reply, there

Re: Fedora 13 continuing the tradition of being an update monster

2010-05-11 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 08:29 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: > On 05/11/2010 01:14 AM, James Antill wrote: > > Thankfully all the giant flamewars and new policies didn't make anyone > > think twice about the users, as we already have 140 updates with a > > combined size

Re: Fedora 13 continuing the tradition of being an update monster

2010-05-11 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 10:30 +0200, H. Guémar wrote: > > It is not part of a default package set. > > Even if it were, blocking bugfixes in order to reduce updates size is > nothing but stupid. It wasn't bugfixes, it was a new upstream release, and yes size does matter. All mirrors, public and p

Fedora 13 continuing the tradition of being an update monster

2010-05-10 Thread James Antill
Thankfully all the giant flamewars and new policies didn't make anyone think twice about the users, as we already have 140 updates with a combined size of _over_ 750MB on x86_64, biggest 5 are: 6.2M wesnoth-1.8.1-1.fc13.x86_64.rpm 12M hanazono-fonts-20100222-2.fc13.noarch.rpm 48M xmoto-0.5.3-1

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-07 Thread James Antill
On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 20:05 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > What worries me is that it was always my understanding, and I think the > understanding of others, that the hall monitoring policy does not grant > hall monitors the power to shut down threads they judge to be > repetitive. My understandi

Re: FYI: NVR issues from f12 -> f13

2010-05-05 Thread James Antill
ould probably be merged with the inter distro. one, at some point. -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.org http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/releases http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/whatsnew/3.2.28 http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/YumMultipleMachineCaching -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread James Antill
mdb. The "client" side should be truly trivial though. Dumping the installed packages, which repos. they came from and the reason for their install ... is probably like 10 lines of yum code. If someone is doing this work, they'd probably do a bit more to get more info. ... but agai

Re: F13/i686: yum update emptied /boot, /bin, /lib, etc.

2010-04-23 Thread James Antill
t; which points me at weird plugin behavior. Jim, is it possible you were running with "LANG=C"? If so I'm 99% sure I've found the bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=585424 Langpacks goes on crack in LANG=C, for "removals" _and_ "updat

Re: spin kickstart/minimization cleanups

2010-04-21 Thread James Antill
i. Something I wrote for someone ages ago: http://james.fedorapeople.org/yum/plugins/categories.py ...I haven't asked for it to be a package because I don't think it's a good idea, but if someone wants to play with it etc. it's there. -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.org

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-21 Thread James Antill
it, if needed ... but that will likely involve pain for someone. ² Note that in rawhide gnome-session now requires polkit-gnome explicitly, so this is mostly irrelevant for the default desktop. -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.org http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/releases http://y

Re: rawhide report: 20100413 changes

2010-04-14 Thread James Antill
added on the same day). Sorry for that, I thought I'd fixed it when I closed it! Anyway, just built a new yum-utils HEAD (which includes the repodiff fix) in rawhide: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2115503 -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.org http://yum.baseurl.org

Re: Heads up! Erlang package becomes modularized in Fedora.

2010-04-12 Thread James Antill
| metapackage ---|- git| git-all nagios-plugins | nagios-plugins-all perl | perl-core tor-core | tor wine-core | wine ...personally I think the scheme used by tor and wine is the most prevalent, a

Re: Unsigned Packages - Yum/Pk

2010-04-05 Thread James Antill
ransaction, which was a couple of steps earlier). Which is to say, no. -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.org http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/releases http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/whatsnew/3.2.27 http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/YumMultipleMachineCaching -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproj

Re: rawhide repo giving me an odd error

2010-03-28 Thread James Antill
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 00:03 +0100, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > I've been away from my pc for the last couple of days and have come back > to find a problem. > > When I try to do an update from yum, I'm getting the following error > > Error: Cannot retrieve metalink for repository: rawhide. Please veri

Re: Conflicts in latest update

2010-03-16 Thread James Antill
solution for that apart from "if in a doubt file a bug" :-( Rpmfusion can run auto QA like tests on rpmfusion and Fedora (I don't think we can legally do the same ... but I'm not sure). Finding the file conflicts automatically is harder (you need to download all the rpms), and it&#

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-09 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 00:05 +, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > On 9 March 2010 21:54, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > === > > #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-03-09) > > === > > > > > > Meeting started by nirik at 20:00:01 UTC. The full logs a

Re: How to install software without root password (PolicyKit?)

2010-03-08 Thread James Antill
2009/11/18/polkit-and-package-kit-and-changing-settings/ > but even after doing that it is still the same and "yum install > package" asks for root password. The feature was added to PackageKit not yum ... so you need to use pkcon, not yum. -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.org

Re: How does one deal with obsoleted updates from updates-testing

2010-03-08 Thread James Antill
yum list) with updates-testing enabled. So I assume you want something else, I guess a push kind of notification? If you've commented to the update doesn't bodhi email you if the update is removed? If not I'd say create a bodhi RFE ... but apart from that I'm not sure how a p

Re: Move a configuration file

2010-03-07 Thread James Antill
On Sun, 2010-03-07 at 17:55 +0100, Johan Cwiklinski wrote: > Hello, > > I have a small question regarding a "configuration file" for BackupPC. > > BackupPC requires a file for apache users. This file is referenced in > /etc/httpd/conf.d/BackupPC.conf and points to > /usr/share/BackupPC/apache.use

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-04 Thread James Antill
On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 18:30 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 20:11 -0500, James Antill wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 00:14 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > Well, Fedora Extras 6 (x86_64) contained 5129 packages, which is only 300 > > > less &g

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-04 Thread James Antill
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 00:14 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:19:48 -0800, Jesse wrote: > > > Extras had significantly fewer packages, > > Well, Fedora Extras 6 (x86_64) contained 5129 packages, which is only 300 less > than F11 stable updates. > > http://archive.fedoraproj

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 20:33 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Peter Jones wrote: > > > On 03/03/2010 01:17 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Mathieu Bridon wrote: > >>> In the end, I think the question is not about giving users what users > >>> want (be it frequent updates or stalled releases), but giving u

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 19:43 +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Thomas Janssen (thom...@fedoraproject.org) said: > >> As i said before. Nobody holds a gun on my head and tells me "you have > >> to update that packages". If you dont want it, rea

Re: Refining the update queues/process [Was: Worthless updates]

2010-03-03 Thread James Antill
should instantly rebase for all bugs, immediately, and no matter the risk is something you will have to live without. Again, rawhide is => that way. Have fun. -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.org http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/releases http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/whatsnew/3.2.27 http://yu

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-03 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:09 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 11:02:51AM -0500, James Antill wrote: > > If we had less updates, that changed less things and required more > > testing before pushing them to users ... this would be entirely > > possible. >

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-03 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 07:38 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > James Antill wrote: > > >> I > >> want many updates, but I don't want to be the guinea pig for updates > >> which just hit testing, > > > > And nobody else wants to be the guinea pig fo

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-03 Thread James Antill
s for all I care. The security problem is _fixed_ though, so your system is secure, and that's all that --security guarantees (and it has made "minimal" updates, it's just that "minimal" is bigger than with say RHEL/CentOS). -- James Antill - ja...@fedoraproject.or

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-03 Thread James Antill
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 07:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > James Antill wrote: > > This isn't a hard problem, 3.0 should then be marked as a security > > update. > > But the case we're discussing is that 3.0 was pushed long before it was > known that it happe

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