Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-20 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, November 20, 2020 11:52:46 AM MST Radka Gustavsson wrote: > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 6:03 PM John M. Harris Jr > > wrote: > > On Thursday, November 19, 2020 11:17:15 AM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > > > The move to having our own Matrix server is being driven by Fed

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-20 Thread John M. Harris Jr
oachable, and we want to be appealing. Right now, > our usage of IRC hurts us. If Matrix bridges so well with IRC, and many upstream communities are using it already, surely they could just join our channels through their bridges? -- John M. Harris, Jr. Splentity

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-20 Thread John M. Harris Jr
> participate in IRC meetings is pain in the ass for some of our contributors > (myself included.) Have you considered using a bouncer, similar software or weechat/irssi, such that you don't have to switch hardware? This kind of software has become much easier to use these days, and there a

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-30 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 9:36:38 AM MST Dan Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 09:18 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 5:13:48 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski- > > Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 5:13:48 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:41:12PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Monday, September 28, 2020 9:39:17 AM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > > > You can do this, but again,

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:41:12 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 04:03, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > > > > Search domains on VPNs are an indicator that these domains are handled > > > by the VPN, that's why we use t

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 3:59:14 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Di, 29.09.20 03:49, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > > > Search domains have absolutely nothing to do with routing. Search domains > > are specifically used for resolving non-FQD

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 1:01:23 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mo, 28.09.20 23:37, John M. Harris Jr (joh...@splentity.com) wrote: > > > > > Configure "." as "routing domain" on a specific iface and the lookups > > > wil go there pre

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
ay of knowing what network should be used to get the right results. Routing and DNS are unrelated. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedor

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
referably. > > Ideally you'd use more fine grained routing domains however. > > Lennart Lennart, Is that a NetworkManager setting or a systemd-resolved setting? Is that going to be exposed in the GUI, or is it something that gets hidden away? How does systemd-resolved figure

Re: This is bad, was Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
ed to bring up that replacing /etc/resolv.conf would cause needless trouble, and that looking for the comment NetworkManager puts in it wasn't sufficient, but my messages were ignored. Not only will this needlessly break existing configurations, but it will leak all of

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, September 11, 2020 4:36:38 AM MST Björn Persson wrote: > John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 11:56:25 PM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > > > But systemd in Fedora is built to use > > > FallbackNTPServers=0.fedora.pool.ntp.org 1.

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:38:51 PM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 06:37:56PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:42:24 AM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > O

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 11:56:25 PM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 18:33 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > Why in the world would systemd have anything to do with NTP? We still > > use > > > It has to do with NTP in the

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
If you need to, provide the trivial two-line > dropin file to override this locally. Zbyszek, I'm definitely not suggesting something that is "non-working". That said, not having any DNS servers configured indicates that remote lookup should not be used, not that a random DNS serv

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
pile > time, or provide a default resolved.conf file where FallbackDNS is > uncommented and filled. It's important to note that this is also a major change in behavior. Currently, when no DNS servers are configured, your system will only perform local lookup, and will not look at an external

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, September 10, 2020 1:36:18 AM MST alcir...@posteo.net wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 01:02 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > > > A quick reminder that we're about to release with the system > > configured to use > > Google DNS when

Re: [Test-Announce] Re: Fedora 33 Beta Go/No-Go and Release Readiness meetings

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
e're about to release with the system configured to use Google DNS when no DNS servers are configured. If privacy is valued at all, this needs to be addressed before release. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -

Re: Gitlab Ask Me Anything - Sept 10th, 13:30 UTC

2020-09-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
this is not likely a decision that would be reached by Fedora as a whole, if this had been put to a vote. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

2020-09-09 Thread John M. Harris Jr
op is using the Wayland display system now. X > applications will continue to run transparently through XWayland. > > > -- > Ben Cotton > He / Him / His > Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream > Red Hat > TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis As long as this

Re: Release criteria proposal: first boot experience

2020-09-07 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, September 7, 2020 7:25:49 AM MST Martin Kolman wrote: > On Tue, 2020-09-01 at 19:15 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 1:22:26 PM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > We currently have a

Re: Gitlab Ask Me Anything - Sept 10th, 13:30 UTC

2020-09-05 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, September 5, 2020 8:40:21 AM MST Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Sep 04, 2020 at 05:14:21PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > That's an interesting choice. Isn't it a bit of a waste to put all of the > > > > resources into Pagure for so

Re: Gitlab Ask Me Anything - Sept 10th, 13:30 UTC

2020-09-04 Thread John M. Harris Jr
to the discussion, > > Aoife > > > [1] https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/217350 That's an interesting choice. Isn't it a bit of a waste to put all of the resources into Pagure for so long, only to jump over to GitLab? -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___

Re: Switching package to fragmented default configuration

2020-09-02 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 8:03:03 AM MST David Tardon wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, 2020-08-31 at 23:46 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Monday, August 31, 2020 11:24:57 PM MST David Tardon wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2020-08-31 at 00:

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-09-02 Thread John M. Harris Jr
machine, > > /etc/cron.weekly/98-zfs-fuse-scrub is the only real crontab entry. > > > I also noticed that yesterday: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1874553 > > Michael Michael, What's meant is that people are still setting up scheduled tasks by

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-09-02 Thread John M. Harris Jr
onvert any packaged cronfiles into systemd > timers. But it seems that this is already mostly done. On my machine, > /etc/cron.weekly/98-zfs-fuse-scrub is the only real crontab entry. > > Those are not big programs, but each thing that is running on a > machine h

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 7:29:44 PM MST Ed Greshko wrote: > On 2020-09-02 10:21, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > I don't know what you're talking about here. Am I missing something? Is > > this a F33 Change? Exact content of my /etc/nsswitch: > > > Is

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 5:19:15 AM MST Florian Weimer wrote: > * John M. Harris, Jr.: > > > > Sure, those two companies will be thrilled, I'm sure. This is a huge > > disservice to our users. Why in the world does systemd try to force DNS > > servers whe

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
nd you don't know how to configure DNS, you likely have > bigger problems than systemd If this is unlikely to be used, can we get this set to empty by default in Fedora? -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-09-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 7:14:35 AM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:49 pm, John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > Michael, > > > > The file is /etc/nsswitch.conf. > > > You're wasting everyone's time with these low-

Re: Release criteria proposal: first boot experience

2020-09-01 Thread John M. Harris Jr
I'm missing to disable this behavior, or do I have to write my own kickstart to fix that? -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora C

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, August 31, 2020 8:32:49 AM MST Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 31.08.2020 17:07, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > ship a release with "fallback" to Google and Cloudflare DNS? > > > Big Brother will be happy. :-) Sure, those two companies will be thr

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
s root, run: > > # authselect apply-changes > > and then restart your browser. That's not the configuration we want to > use in F33, but hopefully it will "fix" your problem. Please let me > know if it works! > > Michael Michael, The file is /etc/nsswitch.

Re: Switching package to fragmented default configuration

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, August 31, 2020 11:24:57 PM MST David Tardon wrote: > On Mon, 2020-08-31 at 00:08 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:36:33 PM MST Colin Walters wrote: > > > > > https://blog.verbum.org/2020/08/22/immutable-%E2%86%92-

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, August 31, 2020 6:43:37 AM MST Ed Greshko wrote: > On 2020-08-31 21:40, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Monday, August 31, 2020 1:22:58 AM MST Ed Greshko wrote: > > > >> On 2020-08-30 18:30, Andreas Tunek wrote: > >> > >> > >>

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
did suggest *disabling* it, but there's a far better option: Have it start in the background, if it doesn't already. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@list

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
btrfs 325048326213600 26109168 20% /home > /dev/vda1ext4 999320 184228 746280 20% /boot > nas:/volume1/aux nfs4 5621463168 1920182016 3701281152 35% /aux Ed, Where did you set these fallback servers? This is something that you specifically chose to do, and

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
iven time. I'm not concerned about Fedora defined cron jobs, or I wouldn't be including `atd` in that list anyway. I don't think that anything in Fedora itself uses `atd`. The end user is the one that will be using `crond` and `atd`. If you just put these in the background, i

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
nd only create that symlink on new installs. That would simplify the logic, and prevent breaking peoples' systems needlessly. All users would benefit this way. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedor

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
ish to do that with an editor, such as Emacs, Vim or ed. I did it with shell expansion to make it easier to format into an email. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-l

Re: Switching package to fragmented default configuration

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
simple, robust way elsewhere. This way, everyone benefits. Sysadmins don't have to deal with that nightmare, packagers don't have to deal with it, upstream software devs don't get patches flying in from all around to apply this to their software, and folks that want to give it

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-08-31 Thread John M. Harris Jr
be disabled. Instead, perhaps these could be marked such that they'll start in the background, instead of inhibiting the sddm/whatever GNOME's service is from starting, if they're not already marked as such. -- John M. Harris, Jr. _

Re: Switching package to fragmented default configuration

2020-08-29 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, August 29, 2020 1:00:17 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 8/28/20 9:40 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > Please don't invent a new logic, especially the one that systemd does. > > This makes it very difficult to figure out where in the world the > > c

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-08-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, August 28, 2020 9:55:18 PM MST drago01 wrote: > On Saturday, August 29, 2020, John M. Harris Jr > > wrote: > > On Monday, August 10, 2020 9:52:42 AM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 9:08 am, Michael Catanzaro > > > > > &

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-08-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
seem to want. There's no reason to break peoples' systems here, we can easily plan for this. I also don't know where you're getting this estimate of 99% of users not changing this file. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing

Re: Switching package to fragmented default configuration

2020-08-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
r regular users who modify > > the configuration manually. > > > > Are there any recommendations for switching an existing single-config > > package to a fully fragmented configuration? Is it worth the trouble, > > or do you have any other suggestions? >

Re: EarlyOOM +ZRAM Only

2020-08-14 Thread John M. Harris Jr
M: mem 2.52%, swap 10%, Where does 2.52 come from, pray? Are you kidding? The system still had over a quarter of a gigabyte of free RAM. There's no reason to start killing off processes at that point. That's tons of free memory. To put that into perspective, that's enough free memory

Re: EarlyOOM +ZRAM Only

2020-08-12 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 3:43:24 PM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 8/12/20 12:06 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 11:27:37 AM MST Sergio Belkin wrote: > > > >> mem avail: 337 of 15887 MiB ( 2.13%), swap free:0 of 4095 MiB ( >

Re: EarlyOOM +ZRAM Only

2020-08-12 Thread John M. Harris Jr
fter 0.0 seconds > > > So I wonder if is advisable using EarlyOOM + ZRAM Only, what do you > think? > Thanks in advance! Please keep this in mind going forward, and take a moment to consider enabling EarlyOOM in Fedora. As it turns out, EarlyOOM does exactly what it says it does: I

Re: Remote wipe options for Fedora?

2020-08-05 Thread John M. Harris Jr
e.g. 'dnf group install'. > > - Fedora has a "rescue" GRUB boot menu option. This is a "no > host-only" initramfs. Currently it's never updated, i.e. it gets > stale. For a while I've wanted us to remove this initramfs during > release upgrade

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-08-04 Thread John M. Harris Jr
he dependency into > fedora-release as was proposed elsewhere. Generally, if you let the package go, your system won't suffer from your processes getting killed needlessly. This is likely a benefit, so I don't know if this is really a bug. -- John M. Harris, Jr. _

Re: [retitled] Fedora wiki and code tags

2020-08-03 Thread John M. Harris Jr
Fedora wiki didn't just appear magically one day: your colleagues in > Fedora put effort into standing it up and its maintainance, and some > have even worked on mediawiki itself. Telling us that it "sucks" is not > courteous, polite, considerate, or respectfu

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-07-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
gt; That information is stale. The feature page has been updated. > > man page contains: > >To disable a configuration file supplied by the vendor, the > recommended way is to place a symlink to /dev/null in the > configuration directory in /etc/, with the same filename

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
raded > systems. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Regardless of what we do here, systemd- resolved is a consumer of NetworkManager's configuration. > We should replace it with a symlink to systemd if (and only > if) it's managed by NetworkManager. Sounds good. -- Joh

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
hen the file was generated. Agreed, I don't think I ever removed that from my /etc/resolv.conf on any of my systems. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-28 Thread John M. Harris Jr
-resolved will brutally overwrite them whenever it feels the > need to. To prevent brutally overwriting configuration, it would be best not to replace /etc/resolv.conf with a symlink on upgrade, ignoring user configuration, but to do so on all new installs. -- John M. Harris, Jr.

Re: Over 1000 (retired) packages orphaned

2020-07-27 Thread John M. Harris Jr
e the review has > completed. You can ask releng at: https://pagure.io/releng/ > > > Note: I have only updates the rpms namespace, there are 44 modules and > container in the same situation for which I don't quite know what to do. I'll update emacs-php-

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-27 Thread John M. Harris Jr
ou > > need to configure systemd-resolved itself, either through > > NetworkManager (as we will recommend) or directly through > > systemd-resolved's configuration interface (if not using NetworkManager). > > > Thanks, I guess I misunderstood because of alarmist

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-27 Thread John M. Harris Jr
king to see if it's set by NetworkManager or the end user, and replaced with a symlink. This will needlessly break users' systems upon upgrade. Lennart described another mode of operation for systmed- resolved, where it continues to use /etc/resolv.co

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-26 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Sunday, July 26, 2020 7:47:08 PM MST Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 7/26/20 6:15 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > Please do not disable reading from /etc/resolv.conf. > > > > Where did you get the impression that the change would do that? > > Relev

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-26 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Sunday, July 26, 2020 7:06:48 PM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 6:15 pm, John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > Please do not disable reading from /etc/resolv.conf. If you do so, > > please > > limit that to the Spins that it won&

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved

2020-07-26 Thread John M. Harris Jr
hen > performing name resolution using glibc; however, it is still provided > for compatibility with applications that manually read this file to > perform name resolution. Writing to /etc/resolv.conf will no longer > work as expected. > > > -- > Ben Cotton > He /

Re: Fedora flatpaks on non-x86 architectures

2020-07-26 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Sunday, July 26, 2020 7:50:35 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 12:43 AM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday, July 25, 2020 11:31:18 PM MST Qiyu Yan wrote: > > > > > John M. Harris Jr 于 2020年7月26日周日 下午2:25写道: > &g

Re: Fedora flatpaks on non-x86 architectures

2020-07-25 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 25, 2020 11:31:18 PM MST Qiyu Yan wrote: > John M. Harris Jr 于 2020年7月26日周日 下午2:25写道: > > > On Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:29:45 PM MST Qiyu Yan wrote: > > > But your advice to use dnf is not a good one. The thread is about the > > > > topic &g

Re: Fedora flatpaks on non-x86 architectures

2020-07-25 Thread John M. Harris Jr
ce. What does Silverblue use, if not `dnf`? -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/p

Re: Fedora flatpaks on non-x86 architectures

2020-07-25 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 25, 2020 4:28:19 PM MST Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > On 7/25/2020 3:39 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > The solution is to run the following command: > > > > `dnf install $package`. This will install your arch's version of the > > package you're

Re: Fedora flatpaks on non-x86 architectures

2020-07-25 Thread John M. Harris Jr
ppc64le in particular, but aarch64 > would be good too. This is for Fedora Silverblue specially. > Any help is welcome! > > Thank you! The solution is to run the following command: `dnf install $package`. This will install your arch's version of the package you're l

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2020-07-20 Thread John M. Harris Jr
rg/orphans-2020-07-20.txt > grep it for your FAS username and follow the dependency chain. > rmattes: emacs-lua If somebody would be willing to sponsor me, I could take this package. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedo

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-19 Thread John M. Harris Jr
kernel is alive, but > userspace is dead. Userspace isn't dead when a system is thrashing. Your software is still running. If it gets killed, you're most likely going to lose your data. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- d

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-18 Thread John M. Harris Jr
with from eating all of our RAM, not killing everything but those. The kernel OOM killer does its job, and it does it well. The goal is to ensure the kernel can keep doing its job, it's not going to try to figure out what you intend for userspace, as well it shouldn't. -- Joh

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-18 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 18, 2020 3:25:35 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > On Fri, 2020-07-17 at 19:44 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Friday, July 17, 2020 10:06:53 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > > > What we achieve by killing a process is that we give the kernel more > >

Re: Ditch RPM in favor of DPKG

2020-07-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 17, 2020 10:20:54 PM MST Anthony F McInerney wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 at 04:19, John M. Harris Jr > > wrote: > > On Thursday, July 16, 2020 3:11:19 AM MST Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: > > > there was no reason not to replac it with regular apt > &

Re: Orphaning a number of Lua-related packages

2020-07-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
o ensure the package remains alive and kicking for years to come. I've gone through the review process with another package previously, and I can cite the bugzilla ticket, if it's a requirement that I demonstrate an understanding of that process. -- John M. Harris, Jr.

Re: Ditch RPM in favor of DPKG

2020-07-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
pt. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guid

Re: Btrfs in Silverblue

2020-07-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
mounting > of other subvols doesn't happen today, or even automatic snapshotting. Using a "generator" for this is probably the least discoverable way to go about it, in this case. Again, fstab solves this problem. We don't need to replace our wheels with squ

Re: F33 Change proposal: Replace Linux kernel with BSD kernel

2020-07-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, July 16, 2020 2:37:55 PM MST Ben Cotton wrote: > > F33 Change proposal: Replace Linux kernel with BSD kernel - System-Wide Well, which BSD kernel? ;) This email just serves as a neat example of that potential new format for Change proposals. -- John M. Harr

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 17, 2020 10:06:53 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > On Fri, 2020-07-17 at 09:12 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:18:08 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > > > So, we don't want to get the kernel into the situation where it must &

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-17 Thread John M. Harris Jr
n we shouldn't enable EarlyOOM, as it will kill processes from in main memory. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code

Re: Btrfs in Silverblue

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
mplied. > > > xattrs? That sounds unnecessary. I think the easiest would be to just > operate on subvoumes that are named a certain way. For example, we > could say, if the generator finds a set of subvolumes called > "/_home." on the root fs, then it would sort them by

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, July 13, 2020 10:48:03 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 7/13/20 8:21 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > On Monday, July 13, 2020 1:58:30 AM MST Benjamin Berg wrote: > > > >> But, I also think that the people proposing this have done quite a lot > >>

Re: Btrfs in Silverblue

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
#x27;s actually better to generate a verbose cmdline from Anaconda's initial installation, such that the end user can see the options they may want to modify first. Removing these options is harmful. These things shouldn't try to hide themselves away in "generators". The bes

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, July 13, 2020 7:52:51 AM MST Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote: > On 7/10/20 5:22 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > >> Android, actually, is trying to get it right by a) being a platform so > >> that common security updates are available from the platform owner, and &

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
e left. -- John M. Harris, Jr. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-13 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Monday, July 13, 2020 2:59:24 AM MST Joe Orton wrote: > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 02:27:49PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > There's no reason to "update" any config, php-fpm is just an alternative > > option. mod_php still works well, and doe

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-12 Thread John M. Harris Jr
g all the improvements we've done to the > Linux desktop experience in Fedora Workstation to at least Fedora KDE, > if not all Fedora desktop variants. And where it makes sense, I will > attempt to bring these improvements to *all* Fedora variants. That sounds like an excellent idea

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-12 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 11, 2020 3:14:06 PM MST Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 9:11 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > None of this is relevant ... (to) ... a package which is ... > > widely used, however. > > > You keep making that assertion.

Re: Enable EarlyOOM on Fedora KDE - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
long arc with multiple components and incremental changes. The pro and > con to earlyoom is the same: it's simple. How about, instead of a half-baked solution that you're *plan* to get rid of soon, you keep the playtesting to GNOME Spin, and don't hurt the KDE Spin in the process, as

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 11, 2020 11:47:30 AM MST Jonathan Wakely wrote: > On 11/07/20 01:44 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > >I said that php-fpm was fast than mod_php, however it's just not a huge > > > When? > > I see the opposite claim, repeatedly: > > O

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Saturday, July 11, 2020 1:34:12 AM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 7/11/20 1:09 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > It's demonstrably false that php-fpm "saves hundreds" of milliseconds, > > unless you're counting up every single saved ms over the course of a

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-11 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 11:45:06 PM MST Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 7/10/20 10:55 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > I demonstrated how it adds ~1ms to requests. That's one of the major > > downsides to using FastCGI, and it's unavoidable. > > > You did

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 9:41:48 PM MST drago01 wrote: > On Saturday, July 11, 2020, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:43:59 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 9:38 PM John M. Harris Jr > > > > > > wrote: > > &

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 7:12:50 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 10:05 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:56:36 PM MST Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:50

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:56:36 PM MST Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:50 AM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > > Why should I have to switch the system that's being used, and potentially > > break these servers, just because

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:43:59 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 9:38 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:31:08 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 9:26

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:31:08 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 9:26 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:14:27 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:59

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 6:14:27 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:59 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, July 10, 2020 5:56:31 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:55

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 5:56:31 PM MST Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:55 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, May 28, 2020 12:53:26 PM MST Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/drop_mod

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
Now that this has been accepted, I take it that the current maintainer of mod_php no longer wants to maintain it? I'd like to offer to take over the package if that's the case, so that Fedora will continue to work for those using mod_php. -- John M. Harris, Jr. _

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, July 10, 2020 2:53:30 PM MST Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 10. 07. 20 23:35, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > >>> DNF should perform "dnf mark install fedora-repos-rawhide-modular" > >>> action > >>> on a system upgrade, because we want that p

Re: PSA: dnf autoremove cleans fedora-repos-modular

2020-07-10 Thread John M. Harris Jr
m. However I worry that DNF does not possess a capability for > > doing it. (Except of injecting that command into some externally executed > > script.) > > > Can we amend dnf system-upgrade to do this? Wouldn't that install modular repos on systems that end users have r

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