Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 13:13 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 09:12 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: Folks, In case this helps anyone else setting up a Macbook Pro 13.3 model 5,5. snip 2). The new install has no networking because the 432b reversion part is unsupported

Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 19:44 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: [...] Again, this mail wasn't meant as a criticism. It was intended for Google to index so that someone else who is hitting their head against a wall trying to get

Re: rawhide gnome-panel

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 18:47 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 01:23:31PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: That's an excellent bug report, but it should be filed at http://bugzilla.redhat.com rather than de...@lists.fedoraproject.org. I've filed a bug against gconf (hoping that's

Re: nouveau rebase for future kernels

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 15:27 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 13:03:40 -0400, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: Folks, This may have come up already (and I don't mean upstream :) ) but am interested to know what the plans are in F12 wrt. nouveau updates

Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 13:58 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 13:35 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: Then alsamixer will show all of the channel options, which you should set to 100% volume for now. alsamixer -c 0 would have done the same thing. It would

Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 09:12 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: In case this helps anyone else setting up a Macbook Pro 13.3 model 5,5. There are bugs filed for most of these. As an update, I booted rawhide on the system to acquire some more data points. Things were largely the same except suspend/resume

Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 14:35 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 17:30 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 09:12 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: In case this helps anyone else setting up a Macbook Pro 13.3 model 5,5. There are bugs filed for most

Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-07 Thread Jon Masters
Folks, In case this helps anyone else setting up a Macbook Pro 13.3 model 5,5. 1). Installation proceeds normally. You may want to install rEFIt to allow dual booting with Mac OS X, in which case Anaconda should oblige by placing grub on the partition of your /boot partition. You then only need

Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-07 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 20:08 +0300, Debarshi Ray wrote: 7). The webcam isn't working out of the box and nor is bluetooth. There are instructions online covering these. Are you talking about isight-firmware-tools [1]? I orphaned it sometime ago but no one picked it up. Yea. Upstream doesn't

Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-07 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 15:06 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 09:12:53AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: merge key=input.x11_driver type=stringsynaptics/merge merge key=input.x11_options.SHMConfig type=stringOn/merge Never, ever, ever do this. Ever. Configure

Re: Macbook Pro 13.3 (5,5) Fedora 12 notes

2010-04-07 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 22:27 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 05:14:32PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: What would be the correct way to enable synclient support? I didn't find any documentation so had to go poking to figure out the right thing. Don't use synclient. Use

Synaptics click and drag problems

2010-04-06 Thread Jon Masters
Folks, On the off chance that someone knows the innards of the synaptics driver beyond the basic tunables exposed in synclient... I bought a new Macbook Pro over the weekend, which is able to run Fedora 12 (albeit not as smoothly as I would have hoped, it took a lot of fiddling and the WiFi is

Re: Synaptics click and drag problems

2010-04-06 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 17:05 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 11:55:31AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: Within the Fedora desktop environment, clicking and dragging results in a right mouse button event and no dragging. I turned off the silly (and in my personal opinion

Re: Synaptics click and drag problems

2010-04-06 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 14:04 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 17:05 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 11:55:31AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: Within the Fedora desktop environment, clicking and dragging results in a right mouse button event

Re: Synaptics click and drag problems

2010-04-06 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 16:22 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 14:04 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 17:05 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 11:55:31AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: Within the Fedora desktop environment, clicking

Re: Minutes/Summary for 2010-03-23 FESCo meeting

2010-03-24 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 14:27 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:24:26 -0700 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu wrote: So, autoqa is going to be sending us TPS reports? Excellent. I trust you saw the memo on this? Yes, and we are going to need you to come in on saturday...

Re: F13Beta OPEN bugs -- need to be by Thu, March 25

2010-03-24 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 01:34 +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: This might be interesting for you - module-init-tools or kernel bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=576421 Yea, I saw the bug. I suspect this is actually bad hardware but I need more information to track it down. Please do

Re: F13Beta OPEN bugs -- need to be by Thu, March 25

2010-03-24 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 06:12 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 01:34 +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: This might be interesting for you - module-init-tools or kernel bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=576421 Yea, I saw the bug. I suspect this is actually bad

Re: hal-storage-addon is now a separate package

2010-03-17 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 15:19 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Right now, installing hal will result in hald-addon-storage polling removable devices from boot - even if nothing's paying attention. This is a surprisingly large power consumption hit on modern systems. udisks starts the polling

Re: Conflicts in latest update

2010-03-17 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 13:44 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/16/2010 01:37 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote: Dne 16.3.2010 13:04, Jon Masters napsal(a): I'd just add those gstreamer packages to my exclude config in yum for the moment, if you don't want to deal with the breakage each time. Then you

Re: hal-storage-addon is now a separate package

2010-03-17 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 14:08 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 06:08:57AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: Thanks! I reported elsewhere to some virt. folks that it is also a CPU hog (in terms of waking up guests every two seconds to poll a virtual CD device that may almost

Re: Conflicts in latest update

2010-03-16 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 11:16 +0100, Matěj Cepl wrote: Dne 16.3.2010 09:50, Ankur Sinha napsal(a): I did notice that. I wasn't sure why a package from rpmfusion would conflict with one from fedora repos. (It's in rpmfusion for a reason) Is it being obsoleted by a fedora package (license been

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-14 Thread Jon Masters
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 21:48 +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: Why, do you think, should just a single user change to Fedora, away from Ubuntu or any other Distro? Because we're blue? If the only reason to choose Fedora over Ubuntu is because Fedora shoves out updates at a higher pace into stable

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-14 Thread Jon Masters
On Sun, 2010-03-14 at 18:17 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jon Masters wrote: If the only reason to choose Fedora over Ubuntu is because Fedora shoves out updates at a higher pace into stable releases, then something is severely wrong. Why? It's exactly what's happening out there in the real

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-14 Thread Jon Masters
On Sun, 2010-03-14 at 20:21 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jon Masters wrote: If you would confine your concerns to KDE, which it sounds is all you are really worried about, then let's give KDE a giant exemption for KDE updates if the rest of the distribution could benefit from less churn

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-13 Thread Jon Masters
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 19:56 -0600, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Jon Masters wrote: And prove your point that users are desperate for intrusive rolling updates and won't just use Rawhide instead if they want to get the very latest and greatest unbaked stuff. First off: I'm not asking

Re: Adventurous yet Safety-Minded

2010-03-12 Thread Jon Masters
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 17:04 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: But (and I mean this with no disrespect to anyone else) I am not going to want to use it seriously when it means rolling back everything that changed since installing updates (sure, if the update is a kernel update and you

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Jon Masters
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 15:55 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 00:50 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: Fedora can still be (b)leading edge in the technologies it picks up for its releases. At the same time it can retain stability after the release has been

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Jon Masters
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 01:09 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: Then in my opinion those users, and those maintainers who wish to cater to those users, can go start their own project. Even if those users are 70+% of the current Fedora users? Prove it. And prove your point that

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 12:26 -0500, Luke Macken wrote: I think a much better solution would be to require similar critical path policies, across *all* releases, not just pending ones, while still allowing non-critpath packages to go directly to stable. That is an acceptable fallback. But just

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 14:01 -0500, Luke Macken wrote: On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 01:48:42PM -0500, Jon Masters wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 12:26 -0500, Luke Macken wrote: I think a much better solution would be to require similar critical path policies, across *all* releases, not just

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-09 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:30 -0500, Chris Ball wrote: Now, there's a reasonable argument that says that Fedora users without FAS accounts didn't vote for FESCo, so it's still legitimate to ask *those* users what they think. The impossibility of reaching such a group of users without

PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

2010-03-08 Thread Jon Masters
Folks, I will propose this to FESCo through their normal channels. My proposal is that we create a Fedora User Survey and create a link on the fp.o website with a few very simple questions. One of those questions would be what users think about the current update policy, using plain (and as

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 21:07 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Jesse Keating wrote: Ok... removing deprecated uses is a questionable at best update, but here is the kicker. The perl in F11 is perl-5.10.0-82.fc11. So these functions aren't actually deprecated in F11. So... why

gnome-desktop meta package

2010-03-02 Thread Jon Masters
Folks, I just did a SPARC install (thanks to Dennis for the assistance too) and elected only for a very minimal install. I then decided to add GNOME bits just to see what worked for curiosity. I did an yum install gnome-desktop, thinking this would pull in nautilus, etc. I don't think this is a

Re: gnome-desktop meta package

2010-03-02 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 02:44 -0500, Jon Masters wrote: I just did a SPARC install (thanks to Dennis for the assistance too) and elected only for a very minimal install. I then decided to add GNOME bits just to see what worked for curiosity. I did an yum install gnome-desktop, thinking

debuginfo default install

2010-02-25 Thread Jon Masters
Folks, It seems most days now something breaks and I want to debug it, but then have to debuginfo-install. Is there a way to tell yum to always pull in the corresponding debuginfo packages whenever it installs something? Jon. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: gconf settings for gdm login

2010-02-23 Thread Jon Masters
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 07:51 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le lundi 22 février 2010 à 19:05 -0800, John Reiser a écrit : On 02/22/2010 03:07 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: There is much worse - it does not let you set the keyboard layour anymore, so anyone in a non-qwerty locale will have a

gconf settings for gdm login

2010-02-22 Thread Jon Masters
Folks, What's up with the login screen on rawhide these days? It's defaulting to no longer listing available users. I can see security sensitive reasons for this, but it's a behavior change - is it intentional? Jon. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Name that Tree!

2010-02-16 Thread Jon Masters
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 16:45 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: As part of no frozen rawhide, we'll have a new tree on the mirrors, pub/fedora/linux/development/13 That's where we'll be putting things that are tagged for the release after they get through testing. We don't yet have a clever name for

Re: Proposal: /lib/init/rw

2010-02-04 Thread Jon Masters
On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 11:09 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: I would like to follow debian and add a tmpfs to /lib/init/rw , which would serve as a transition from initramfs to real root for files from daemons, which need to transition from initramfs, like mdmon, dmeventd, rpc.statd, etc. FYI,

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