Re: RANT: Packaging is changing too fast and is not well documented

2018-02-14 Thread Paul W. Frields
lines, I would suggest collecting from this group the common workflows (if needed), document them on the wiki and advertise here for review. Then we could use that as a punch list to guide that work at the hackathon. If someone wants to start the list of workflows, you can use this

Infrastructure move -- thanks

2017-12-11 Thread Paul W. Frields
. There were some difficulties along the way and the team dealt with them in their usual professional way. Kudos to all, and well done! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com

Re: Coming soon: Pagure service for dist-git

2017-07-11 Thread Paul W. Frields
e how better or worse it will be in prod. Although also fair to point out there've been numerous performance improvements thus far, and no reason to think there won't be more. Pagure is eminently hackable so we are still encouraging contribution upstream (of which there has been a lot alr

Coming soon: Pagure service for dist-git

2017-07-06 Thread Paul W. Frields
roject.org/wiki/Changes/InvokingTests [3] https://pagure.io/pagure/issues - -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/

Re: The future of the packager group for dist-git

2017-06-05 Thread Paul W. Frields
to be able to use plain git, right? > Anything that requires a non-command-line interface for ordinary > procedures would be a step backwards IMHO. Plain git still usable the same ways, yes. The things Pagure is doing are additive (fork/PR, CI hooks, etc.). -- Paul W. Frields

Re: The future of the packager group for dist-git

2017-06-02 Thread Paul W. Frields
; tooling to check and enforce this on new package requests, but I > think it makes sense to stop this requirement to commit on dist-git > repos. > > What do you think? The way I see it, this doesn't make maintaines give up control but avoids over-enforcement of controls that may

Re: Beta of new RH Bugzilla coming soon

2017-02-09 Thread Paul W. Frields
> On 02/06/2017 04:32 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Note, I'll likely be cutting a python-bugzilla release this week which fixes > some issues communicating with bugzilla 5. That's great Cole. Thanks for keeping up with

Beta of new RH Bugzilla coming soon

2017-02-06 Thread Paul W. Frields
eriod (subject to extension) so the community can check scripts and other tooling for compatibility and file bugs for any issues discovered. Some work has already gone into python-bugzilla compatibility to make the transition easier. Please stay tuned for more information soon. -- Paul W. Fr

Re: Fedora on Macs, removing the release criterion

2016-11-11 Thread Paul W. Frields
g, since I happen to have hardware. My hope is other Workstation WG members will join me. Else we *do* look at removing criteria, not just throw them over the wall and expect QA to deal with it. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA

Re: Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-19)

2016-08-19 Thread Paul W. Frields
> We should handle https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1612 too. Given the timing/schedule issue, would it be improper to ask about https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1615 in this meeting? (I know the meeting's underway already and apologize for not seeing this threa

Re: Fedora development of Snap packages

2016-06-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
feature. > > Right now, apparently, their install instructions tell you to disable > SELinux. Permissive mode is what they require: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/zyga/snapcore/ -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC

Re: Fedora 24 background is unsuitable

2016-04-25 Thread Paul W. Frields
t would make more sense since the designers tend to congregate there. It seems to me it shouldn't be too difficult to find a suitable solution. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717

Re: Preparing a new release of Fedora Developer Portal - asking for feedback

2016-04-21 Thread Paul W. Frields
iscussions that ought to involve marketing, docs, > design, etc. We definitely need to remove barriers to communications here. There's a lightly used list called logistics@ that was originally intended to allow contributors from multiple teams to have a discussion concerning all involved wi

Re: bodhi - new update obsoleted an older update that had been submitted for stable

2016-01-21 Thread Paul W. Frields
that had an open request, even if it hasn't gotten > > pulled into a push yet. A recent improvement to this logic allows for > > updates with a testing request to get obsoleted if a newer update gets > > submitted before it gets "locked&q

Re: Stop please

2016-01-08 Thread Paul W. Frields
read posts harder? > > FIX THAT HEADERS IN GENERAL - THE "--"-line needs to be "-- " for MUA's > recognize it as signature and don't quote it all the time Did you file this bug upstream? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://pau

Re: Request to co-maintain f22-background

2015-10-09 Thread Paul W. Frields
C they shouldn't automatically be foisted on any user, just available for download. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeo

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-10 Thread Paul W. Frields
x27;s place to make exceptions when they serve > greater Fedora goals, maybe that could work? While that doesn't seem hostile, it seems just as unsustainable. Setting a better baseline expectation for bundling makes more sense. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.f

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-10 Thread Paul W. Frields
gt; doled out by the FPC, I think package review should be able to handle > it. > > This risks making somewhat harder to police egregious mis-behavior, but > I am sure there are other ways to deal with offenders that willfully > break reasonable rules. Agreed. -- Paul W. Frields

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-10 Thread Paul W. Frields
or Fedora. > >"Enforcement" implies adding more heavy process, which is part of the > >problem this is trying to avoid. > You don't seem to be aware about the fact FPC already tries to enforce > unbundling. Yes, this is a heavy and time-consuming proces

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Paul W. Frields
ojects. And there, requiring Fedora infrastructure to be used > > is very reasonable. > > Well, I guess we will agree to disagree then. Agreed with kfenzi. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C

Re: Unable to submit update for F22 (was Re: bodhi 2 now live)

2015-08-20 Thread Paul W. Frields
lly, pagure has some functionality to allow bidirectional code movement with Github, which gets the best of both worlds. If someone doesn't like making a Github account, in the interim they're still free to fork as would be usual for any repo (including hundreds of projects we carry in Fedo

Re: Validity of i686 as a release blocker

2015-08-04 Thread Paul W. Frields
rdware these days to run a Workstation experience, after all. > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1247382 > [2] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2015-February/208368.html > [3] https://fedorahosted.org/cloud/ticket/106 -- Paul W. Frields

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

2015-02-20 Thread Paul W. Frields
o change. When teams see a change coming up they know will cause them work or breakage, they can proactively reach out to engage. In fact, anyone can facilitate such a conversation. Also, a side note: A book I read on communication in relationships once (I think it was "That's Not What

Re: [Proposal] Ring-based Packaging Policies

2015-02-17 Thread Paul W. Frields
day it would > mean going back to the state of Fedora Core 6 This isn't correct. The division of Core/Extras was based on who was allowed to touch packages which isn't part of this proposal. That wasn't a sustainable way to build community. -- Paul W. Frields

Re: deadline for fedora org to appy in google summer of code 2015

2015-02-17 Thread Paul W. Frields
omponent of OSAS also knows who they are, and can contribute as needed to the application process. Regardless of how critical the GSoC projects are, they're a good way to mentor open source contribution. And as they say, the rising tide lifts all ships. If there are questions about the admin

Re: Deleting f20-gnome-3-12 copr

2015-01-07 Thread Paul W. Frields
he "new shiny stuff" anyway. Announcing to the following should do the trick for those who haven't boarded the F21 boat: (1) announce@ (echoed to users@) (2) Fedora Magazine (echoed per usual to social media) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frie

Re: Migration to Zanata

2015-01-05 Thread Paul W. Frields
is question on the devel@ list. David, did you get what you needed offlist somewhere? cc'ing Noriko since AIUI she is managing/leading the translation migration here. It needs to be clear to developers what they need to do in their toolchain. Without that clarity, t

Re: Non-fatal error messages in Koji scratch build

2014-12-08 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 11:55:58AM -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 12/08/2014 11:51 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > http://paste.fedoraproject.org/157737/18064529 > > > > I had a bunch of 'sh: git: command not found' messages in a scratch > > build I di

Non-fatal error messages in Koji scratch build

2014-12-08 Thread Paul W. Frields
http://paste.fedoraproject.org/157737/18064529 I had a bunch of 'sh: git: command not found' messages in a scratch build I did from an SRPM I uploaded, testing an epel7 build before submitting the real thing. It's been a while -- are these messages expected behavior? --

Re: Engineering Representiatve for the new Fedora Council

2014-10-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
However, I want to be clear that my being involved is *not* a pre-requisite for that support. I would expect to support Matthew and the Council regardless. I'm sure there are other worthy candidates, and I'd work with any of them who fill this role. -- Paul W. Frields

Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids

2014-09-25 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 04:45:54PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:12:30 -0400 > Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 09/25/2014 04:02 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > On T

Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids

2014-09-25 Thread Paul W. Frields
;m sorry if that created any issue, and I'm happy to hear that people in the EU have flexibility outside summer. Would it be worth asking organizers to allow anyone who thought August was a harder requirement to update their bid? It should only take a few days and it's hard to think that wo

Re: Are we still translating things?

2014-08-13 Thread Paul W. Frields
where that people should post to for one-off advice and > assistance (or to point out broken links on the web page), without > wanting to subscribe and take a daily interest in l10n matters. > > If it doesn't serve that purpose, do we have something that *does*? IRC Freenode

Re: Comps fails to validate (patch inside!)

2014-07-14 Thread Paul W. Frields
#x27;t know anything about an "arch" attribute. > > > Assuming that this is actually correct, and that consuming tools know > > > to expect such an attribute, I added support for this to comps.rng. > > > > No idea here. Dennis and/or other arm folks might

Re: PkgDB2 is now in production

2014-05-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
t; > > > > Many thanks to the hard work of the Fedora Infrastructure development team > > Amazing, > thank you guys! +1 -- congratulations on the new deployment and thanks for the superb effort! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg finge

Re: The Forgotten "F": A Tale of Fedora's Foundations

2014-04-21 Thread Paul W. Frields
b (operational) or Twitter (social/advertising) doesn't help Fedora improve as a hospitable platform. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrie

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 09:58:51AM -0600, inode0 wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > So let's not start by putting too much sacred value on the term > > "Spin." Rather, let's think about what specific technical and > >

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Paul W. Frields
too much sacred value on the term "Spin." Rather, let's think about what specific technical and community-building problems are caused by using Remixes, how to solve them, and then consider that effort on balance against status quo. -- Paul W. Frields

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-30 Thread Paul W. Frields
gh. [...snip...] Knowing Christian personally, I don't think he intended it that way. But I think some people (I don't know about Christian) are frustrated by the idea that any discussion of change is motivated by trying to disenfranchise people, rather than figure out how Fedora can gener

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-06 Thread Paul W. Frields
nes. I suspect Robyn has done quite the same wherever possible. It would be a step backward to make it harder for people to readily identify any of the Fedora products with Fedora. This is really a suggestion for all the working groups, so I'm cc'ing server@ and cloud@ lists too.

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Paul W. Frields
no "You must be this tall to ride Fedora Workstation" signs. [...snip...] Is it the intent that the developer cases here completely subsume the case of a developer who is working primarily on Fedora itself (including the Worsktation)? Perhaps we should call that out to correctly priori

Re: Fedora engineering manager

2013-10-31 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 09:47:36PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > El Thu, 31 Oct 2013 22:42:52 -0400 > "Paul W. Frields" escribió: > > Hi Fedora folks, > > > > Hopefully some of you know me, possibly as a previous Fedora Project > > Leader at Red Hat. If

Fedora engineering manager

2013-10-31 Thread Paul W. Frields
= = = [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-10-30 Thread Paul W. Frields
ze. * * * [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/HistoricalSchedules -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open so

Fwd: Re: Release Notes Update

2012-03-21 Thread Paul W. Frields
From the docs@ list, FYI, in case someone has some time in which they can contribute to release notes for desktop, system daemons, web servers, or for that matter any other existing beats: - Forwarded message from "John J. McDonough" - On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 23:27 -0400, Christopher R. An

Re: why are is subversion 1.7 for F16/F17 removed

2012-03-12 Thread Paul W. Frields
it'll ever hit stable. If needed, the OP should be able to scratch-build the 1.7.0-2 packages from the package git repository, or (hopefully) some later and presumably improved 1.7.x version. +1 on the guarantee, but that doesn't help the OP if he has converted repos. Caveat emptor.

Re: Need help with GNOME ?

2012-03-12 Thread Paul W. Frields
. Bug filed: > > https://fedorahosted.org/python-bugzilla/ticket/40 We should ask Will Woods when we can expect a new release -- it's been ~9 months since the last one, and several fixes I'd like are either in the repo or waiting in tickets. This is a great one, thanks aj

qrencode in critical path?

2012-01-11 Thread Paul W. Frields
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/qrencode Is this package supposed to be critical path?[1] It's marked that way for f16 and devel branch, but it was surprising to me. * * * [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_Path_Packages -- Paul W. Fr

Re: Taking a two-week holiday

2011-10-14 Thread Paul W. Frields
ng in bugzilla. Thanks Jussi. For your and other contributors' reference, we have a [[Vacation]] wiki page where this information can be added as well. I took the liberty of inserting Jussi's information on the page. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frield

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache HTTP Server 2.2.20 Released

2011-08-31 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 08:28:20PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 31.08.2011 19:31, schrieb Paul W. Frields: > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 05:39:14PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> this update should be really fast pushed out > >> > >> the demo-ex

Re: Fwd: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache HTTP Server 2.2.20 Released

2011-08-31 Thread Paul W. Frields
Released [...snip...] The security bug is already being tracked: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2011-3192 I'd expect a new package to be issued shortly. Once that happens, if you want to contribute to pushing this out, be ready to test the fixed package and add karma. The pro

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-24 Thread Paul W. Frields
ichard, > > before you do it, read his post again and his insinuations about conspiracies > and other staff ! [...snip...] This thread really is starting to sound like personal vendetta and not worthwhile discussion of technical details. Seriously, cut it out. -- Paul W. Frields

Re: Please rebuild your package with latest translation

2011-08-22 Thread Paul W. Frields
s are probably available at the Transifex help site: http://help.transifex.net/user-guide/ -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeopl

Re: Unable to switch branch

2011-07-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
witch-branch $branch" works... > > > > fedpkg switch-branch should be tweaked/fixed IMO. > > Perhaps I have to say that I'm still under F-12. Chances are you're not running the latest fedora-packager code, then. You probably want to either move up to

Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-14 Thread Paul W. Frields
o extrude from every > bit of your soul. I agree with keeping things positive; let's also keep the thread oriented on the technical and not the personal. (Informed by facts wherever possible would also be great!) Thanks for pointing out the fact that Fedora's mission includes promoting

Re: New feature for Fedora 16: new mkdumprd

2011-07-13 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 09:46:30AM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 09:31:39PM +0800, Américo Wang wrote: > > Hello, Fedora people, > > > > Would any of you kindly help to review my proposed feature > > for Fedora 16? > > > >

Re: New feature for Fedora 16: new mkdumprd

2011-07-13 Thread Paul W. Frields
is to me because I previously gave him some tips on constructing a Fedora feature page. :-) Discuss away! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/

Re: Orphaning istanbul ahead of F-16.

2011-06-17 Thread Paul W. Frields
x27;s built-in recorder. (Just wanted to give botte a shout for his work, though.) :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.

Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

2011-06-08 Thread Paul W. Frields
se making the transition to > systemd Similarly for gsettings and dconf. However, I think the trick is mitigating the problems that plague network-connected users. The type of user who opens up a shell to make use of completion functions starts looking a lot more like t

Re: Need a python3 person for docutils

2011-05-16 Thread Paul W. Frields
the actual problem's hard to see. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Red Hat Summit/JBossWorld -- Register no

fedora-release-notes changing hands

2011-04-12 Thread Paul W. Frields
le on the ACL and commits list so I thought it was worth a heads-up. Don't panic when you see the orphan notices; John has agreed to take ownership already. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937

Re: shouldn't download directory for install images be called "Install" instead of "Fedora"?

2011-04-12 Thread Paul W. Frields
list? Side note: any change would also need to make it into other places such as the formal guides produced by Docs team, the wiki, etc. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://r

Re: Proposed special F15 schedule meeting

2011-03-24 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:28:00PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 12:16 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Hey, all. I'd like to propose a special F15 schedule meeting for later > > today or tomorrow; we'd need representation from QA and releng at a > > minimum, ideally also d

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in rawhide

2011-02-08 Thread Paul W. Frields
or Fedora, and some of those are tiny, one-off code drops that I worry will go unmaintained upstream in the long run. So in short, I don't think I'll be taking over python-mwlib. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D5

Re: Security incident on Fedora infrastructure on 23 Jan 2011

2011-01-27 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 01:35:05AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 01/27/2011 01:12 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 09:30:24AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> > >> Disappointingly the slashdot story paraphrased another site that went > >>

Re: Security incident on Fedora infrastructure on 23 Jan 2011

2011-01-26 Thread Paul W. Frields
tead of the Fedora logo?) They used to use the Red Hat logo -- would that count as a modest improvement? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http:/

Re: who broke fedoraproject.org usability?

2010-10-27 Thread Paul W. Frields
gt; > > > In any case, a new page looks very nice and modern :) > > > > Well, I went to see what you are talking about, from a F13 system with > > Firefox 3.6.11, and the page is pretty garbled. > > And that picture of Paul Frields (I think) is pretty

Re: If you cannot boot after installing systemd v8...

2010-08-26 Thread Paul W. Frields
get > /etc/systemd/system/default.target > > or > > # ln -sf /lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target > /etc/systemd/system/default.target > > isn't it? :-) > BTW thanks for systemd. > Kind regards > > sHINOBI > -- > devel mailing list >

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-26 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:41:45PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Paul W. Frields > > wrote: > > > I don't think anyone can generalize that the usage of Fedora is > > > declin

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Paul W. Frields
27;t innovate at all without trying new things at some point. That point ought to be based on something solid like the acceptance criteria Bill's already writing up. Then FESCo can have more confidence in making a decision about it. I'd rather concentrate on that

Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide upgrades

2010-08-19 Thread Paul W. Frields
dant upon it, like > > sshd). > > > Did I miss another mail ? > > > > related to this I guess ? > > > > [ 44.659412] init[1]: Failed to load configuration for > > NetworkManager-by-dbus.service: No such file or directory > > [ 44.659596] ini

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] orphaned packages in F-14

2010-08-06 Thread Paul W. Frields
nge the 'resample-method' parameter. > > Is there a recommended value for slow machines or a way to tell PA > just to use the HW? 'man pulse-daemon.conf' reports that using 'trivial' is worst quality but easier on slow machines. -- Paul W. Frield

Re: Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?

2010-07-28 Thread Paul W. Frields
only have to wait a few months for a release with it pre-packaged, if they're not able to add it on their own. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - -

Re: [HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

2010-07-22 Thread Paul W. Frields
n't cause so much static. [...] ISTR this was much the case when we discussed Upstart at the FUDCon in Raleigh, NC in 2008. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.co

Re: [HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

2010-07-22 Thread Paul W. Frields
ch can be done without attacking people's skills, intelligence, foresight, or motives on either side. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http:

Re: [HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

2010-07-22 Thread Paul W. Frields
Umm, that's copying one of the much-mocked things of Windows, where you > click "Start" to shutdown. "systemd-install" to remove? Shouldn't it be possible to have a similar "systemd-remove" that resolves to the appropriate option? -- Paul W. Frields

Re: Partial mass rebuild for Python 2.7 coming soon (I hope)

2010-07-22 Thread Paul W. Frields
on-jinja2 > both BR: python-sphinx but are in the BR for that package. I've turned > off doc generation for these for now; am waiting on repo to rebuild > before I can build python-sphinx (deps appear to be ready). > > [snip] > > Hope this makes

Re: concept of package "ownership"

2010-07-02 Thread Paul W. Frields
;ve caused them to grumble for taking up my slack -- in which case they know where to find my inbox to complain. :-) * * * [1] These happened both when I was a volunteer, and when I was a Red Hat employee, FWIW. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/

Fedora Board and FESCo Election results

2010-05-27 Thread Paul W. Frields
, Kyle McMartin, and Steven M. Parrish are elected to FESCo for a full two-release term. * * * Congratulations to the winning candidates, and thank you to each of the nominees for running, and our volunteers and team members for their assistance. - -- Paul W. Frields

Re: One week slip of Fedora 13 release

2010-05-12 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 09:36:31PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 21:37:35 -0400, > "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > > > > According to the release criteria[1], the decision was made to slip > > the release of Fedora 13 by one week, to Tu

One week slip of Fedora 13 release

2010-05-12 Thread Paul W. Frields
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_Final_Release_Criteria [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/Schedule - -- Paul W. Frields -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFL6gZfrNvJN70RNxcRAovhAJ4gCqmdpUPjxqcUeZT/9Rufm2T1gQCgjHKw d3Iuc1YktqutAtkkB/zI3l0= =TpN+ --

Marc Wiriadisastra orphaning some packages

2010-05-11 Thread Paul W. Frields
Hi Fedora paackager community, Marc asked me to forward this to the list because of some mail account issues. He's released ownership of the packages listed below. Paul - Forwarded message from Marc Wiriadisastra - Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 23:59:27 +0800 From: Marc Wiriadisastra To: Paul

Elections - nominations open Sat 2010-04-24

2010-04-23 Thread Paul W. Frields
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 With a Fedora release coming soon, it's also time for Fedora Elections. Both the Fedora Project Board and the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee (FESCo) will have open seats during this election cycle. Nominations for these seats open tomorrow, Sa

Re: F13 Beta release notes

2010-04-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:47:50AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 10:20 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > The Documentation team has prepared and posted a draft of the Fedora > > 13 Release Notes for the Beta release: > > > > http://docs.fe

Re: F13 Beta release notes

2010-04-15 Thread Paul W. Frields
removed "Other OS" support from all PS3 units. Should the > > Playstation line be removed as well? > > The Playstation is PPC anyway so regardless of what Sony is doing with > the firmware update it should be removed. Please visit the wiki and make the change.

Re: potentially unmaintained packages

2010-04-14 Thread Paul W. Frields
list that are similar, slow moving packages. Except for one that I think I should take a closer look at massively upgrading in Rawhide or orphaning. So thanks from me, too. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 A

F13 Beta release notes

2010-04-14 Thread Paul W. Frields
r delete a paragraph, as opposed to making minor tweaks inside a paragraph. Sometimes this may not be possible, so just give it your best shot. Documentation folks are almost always available on IRC Freenode #fedora-docs to help if needed. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.f

Re: FESCo feature drop task

2010-04-09 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 10:58:02AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Paul W. Frields (sticks...@gmail.com) said: > > I'd like to request that upon dropping features, FESCo notify the > > Marketing and Docs lists. Both of these teams maintain content that > > describe

FESCo feature drop task

2010-04-09 Thread Paul W. Frields
g the devel@ list for FESCo notes. Whether a feature is dropped at a milestone point or during the cycle, this kind of notification would be very helpful for the many volunteers working on those teams. Thanks for your consideration, and for maintaining the feature process! -- Paul W. Fr

Re: F-13-Beta Go/No-Go Meeting #2 @ 2010-04-08 00:00 UTC Recap

2010-04-08 Thread Paul W. Frields
gt; > > > -- > > Hi, is there a Known or Common Problems page for F13? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat

Re: non-responsive maintainer: thomasvs

2010-04-07 Thread Paul W. Frields
thon-morbid-0:0.8.7.3-1.fc12.noarch > python-nevow-0:0.9.32-3.fc12.noarch > python-pyrad-0:1.1-3.fc12.noarch > python-sippy-0:1.0.1-1.fc12.noarch > python-wokkel-0:0.6.3-1.fc12.noarch > pyutil-0:1.6.1-4.fc12.noarch > pywbem-0:0.7.0-3.fc12.noarch > rhythmbox-upnp-0:0.

Re: Fedora 13 has been branched!!

2010-03-03 Thread Paul W. Frields
rst time and when taking into account the responsible person's > attitude and position in Fedora. I looked up the rel-eng SOP for mass branching and added this item to it, which I'm betting took no more time than writing unnecessarily hostile email. Be part of the solution. https://fe

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-02-26 Thread Paul W. Frields
t engagement (i.e. get a fix), and we could have a mutually positive exchange with them. By not giving them clear information we're putting that opportunity at risk. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C9

Re: Call for Participation - Fedora 13 Talking Points

2010-02-23 Thread Paul W. Frields
es. But there should be room for one or two non-feature related, important things going on around the release. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com

Re: Notice: dnssec-conf updates in Fedora 11 and 12

2010-02-11 Thread Paul W. Frields
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 05:29:27PM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > == Remediation == > > A new update is being prepared to address this problem for Fedora 11 > and 12 users, and will be pushed to our mirrors as soon as possible. > Us

Notice: dnssec-conf updates in Fedora 11 and 12

2010-02-09 Thread Paul W. Frields
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Fedora Project recently issued an update to the dnssec-conf package, to fix an issue that caused Fedora 11 and 12 systems using BIND (named) to put an inordinately heavy load on RIPE nameservers. However, this update has been found to break some BI

Re: Moving lspci and setpci from /sbin to /usr/sbin?

2010-02-01 Thread Paul W. Frields
distros. > > Please stop repeating this untrue statement. As I told you already, I > have used separate /usr since RHL 3.0.3. I've done this for a long time as well, though only on local disk, no exotic configuration. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frield

Re: Fedora 13 Milestone Reached: Feature and Spin Submission Deadlines

2010-01-28 Thread Paul W. Frields
y: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NetworkManagerCmdline > > Can we still have that considered for F13, please ? > The code is in rawhide already... Yes, you can file a ticket with FESCo requesting an exception. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy/Exceptions

Re: New merge review tickets being opened

2010-01-28 Thread Paul W. Frields
ugs should now be assigned to Red Hat people, where they properly belong. The intention was never to dump these reviews on volunteers, but rather for the engineers in the process to collaborate with each other on the reviews. The net benefit to Fedora is that hopefully we get packa

Re: Mirrorlist problems?

2010-01-20 Thread Paul W. Frields
anuary/364162.html http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-January/364174.html The solution Richard Hughes gave appears to have worked for the OP in that thread, but I don't know the particular cause. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org

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