mda priorities (alternatives --install)

2010-12-22 Thread Richard Zidlicky
Hi, noticed that esmtp replaced exim because of higher priority - is this expected? Personally I would classify esmtp as a per-user tool rather than systemwide one and make sure it gets lower priority than any of the traditional smtp servers. Richard --- Name and OpenPGP keys available from

Re: Introducing wicked

2010-11-25 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 11:17:48PM +0100, nodata wrote: On 25/11/10 17:24, Olaf Kirch wrote: Presenting wicked network configuration === This is the first public release of wicked, an experimental framework for network configuration. You may

Re: Fixing the glibc adobe flash incompatibility

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 06:28:58PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: thanks for looking at it. However for some of the reports it is only the matter of someone looking at them as they contain the obvious solution to the problem. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=595165

Re: Fixing the glibc adobe flash incompatibility

2010-11-18 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 09:44:31PM +0100, Magnus Glantz wrote: Because a large part of the Fedora users, uses the flash plugin from Adobe, and if it does not work, they will go off and find a distribution where it does work. With less people using Fedora, the project becomes less

Re: Fixing the glibc adobe flash incompatibility

2010-11-18 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 01:08:01PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 01:39:50PM +0100, Richard Zidlicky wrote: after the experience that 90% of bugs filled against free software get closed after the lifetime of a distribution (my subjective estimate) without anyone

Re: Fixing the glibc adobe flash incompatibility

2010-11-18 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 06:13:51PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 01:16:42PM -0800, John Reiser wrote: On 11/17/2010 12:41 PM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: 2) Issues found in proprietary software cannot be fixed by anybody except the vendor False. In this particular

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-15 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:29:06AM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This is a silly straw-man. No one[1] formats external HDs with anything other than MS-DOS FAT. Fedora changing the default for the main hard disk will not make any difference to this case of your contrarian user giving away

Re: External HD fs was: Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-15 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 02:03:03PM +, Frank Murphy wrote: On 15/11/10 13:54, Richard Zidlicky wrote: snip there are very good reasons to use anything but DOS-FAT. For example F10 and F12 automount said filesystems with drastically different options by default (filename downcasing

Re: x86_64 as Fedora's primary platform

2010-09-28 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 09:37:06AM +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: On 09/27/2010 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: If anything I would expect the 32bit Desktop Live torrent download activity to be lower because of the promotion of the direct download link of that particular iso. The splits in

Re: D programming

2010-06-25 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 02:56:39AM +0200, jonathan MERCIER wrote: hello, i try create 2 package: ldc and tango. I have a big question where i put *.d file ? for C/C++ it's in /usr/include but D they are nothing attached my ancient gcc + D(v1.x) rpm specfile. Have not done this lately and

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

2010-06-04 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 09:13:02PM +0800, Chen Lei wrote: Fedora have upstart as the /sbin/init daemon for a long time, but we still use the old 'SysVinit' scripts from /etc/rc.d/init.d and fedora packaging guideline have nothing about upstart. Is it right for the maintainer to provide  two

Re: timevariant GUI elements (Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories))

2010-06-03 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 11:25:56AM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: Roberto Ragusa wrote: In recent times some stupid (IMHO) ideas have been adopted in Linux just to copy what others do. Just as examples: the control of desktop widgets in KDE4 (functional GUI elements

Re: Increase grub timeout

2010-05-15 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 09:58:27AM +0200, Alexander Boström wrote: Long story short: There are situations where a grub menu is vital, like until you've successfully booted a new kernel. of course, and I do not think it is so hard to think of a sensible behaviour. After each (semi)automatic

Re: Increase grub timeout

2010-05-15 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 05:24:26AM -0400, Matt McCutchen wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 11:01 +0200, Richard Zidlicky wrote: More elaborate solution, there could be two config values - quicktimeout and safetimout. After kernel and config changes timeout would be changed to safetimout

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-12 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:18:54AM +0200, Matěj Cepl wrote: Dne 10.5.2010 06:54, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a): Have you ever talked to Ubuntu/openSUSE users and listened to their replies when telling them you are using Fedora? You will hear answers along the line of too much inconvenience to

Re: Retire glib and gtk+ 1.2 from rawhide?

2010-05-12 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:22:22AM +0800, Chen Lei wrote: 2010/5/10 Patrice Dumas pertu...@free.fr For the applications I know some comments * I am quite sure that gmanedit is not a manedit evolution. However, manedit is orphaned right now (though still not purged). * xdialog is

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-12 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 03:25:09PM +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: On 12/05/10 15:19, Richard Zidlicky wrote: --snip-- (http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm and http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release

Re: How this bug can come out of its dead-end? Any suggestions?!

2010-05-08 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 03:31:04PM +0200, drago01 wrote: Why? The installation DVD is for installing the system that's it. strongly disagree. Many people do not like to spend much time during installation to decide which packages to install. It should be easy to do it after installation.

Re: Fedora 13 Release Candidate phase coming soon

2010-05-01 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 07:54:41AM +1000, Bojan Smojver wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 14:43 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: It means that we will have hopefully reached a point where all known release blockers¹ have been fixed and we are read to compose the final release tree. Hate to rain

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-28 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 04:59:55PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 17:55:39 -0400, Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net wrote: Epiphany is a non-starter. In the default configuration, it doesn't validate SSL certificates at all (bug 569577). An unbranded Mozilla

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-28 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 07:39:37AM +0100, mike cloaked wrote: On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Mail Lists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 04/27/2010 05:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:  The OP had an issue w. thunderbird - which many find to be a pretty decent mail client.  This thread has

Re: urgent testing call: F13 kernel-2.6.33.1-24.fc13

2010-04-20 Thread Richard Zidlicky
Hi, sorry for the very late test - kernel is unusable for me, appears to be the same issue as described here for F12: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=581605 It is one of the typical netbooks - did anyone recently test the Intel graphic on some of those devices? It is likely that

Re: F-13 Beta, anaconda hangs if no floppy drive

2010-04-18 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:26:39AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 08:27:10 +0200, Remi Collet fed...@famillecollet.com wrote: See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=565693 Computer without floppy drive are quite common. If the floppy controller is

F12 Kernel problems on Intel/Atom

2010-04-12 Thread Richard Zidlicky
Hi, just noticed last night that noone of the recent Fedora-12 kernels works on my Atom Netbook with Intel graphics - typical netbook. I did not have the possibility to investigate and do a proper bug report yet but for me the most recent one that works is something 2.6.31 based and at least

Re: bug no: 552456 E620 not detected - 2nd Request

2010-04-01 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 02:27:38AM -0700, Dan Williams wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 11:18 +0800, Steven James Drinnan wrote: Hi all, I am trying to get my k3715 to work in F12 or F13. I have filled this bug report https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=552456 . It reports by dmesg

ruby-tcltk totally broken and obsolete since ages?

2010-03-27 Thread Richard Zidlicky
Hi, there have been serious bugs filled and ignored against this package for ages, see eg https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483537 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560053 Perhaps the maintainers did not realise the severity of the bugs - it appears that any nontrivial

Re: hdparm -B for netbooks

2010-02-25 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 05:08:58AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Garrett wrote: Yes - it's an option that's basically impossible to expose in a UI in a sensible way. How so? Spindown timeout, Advanced power management timeout, and a slider with 256 entries (or 240 or whatever the

Re: hdparm -B for netbooks

2010-02-25 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 09:37:49AM +0100, Till Maas wrote: Another possible explanation might be that the access pattern of the OS is different, e.g. maybe the drive is not idle long enough to unload. But since there is afaik no proper documentation about this issue, everything is just

Re: hdparm -B for netbooks

2010-02-24 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 09:53:39AM +0100, Till Maas wrote: You have to set it manually at bootup (add it to /etc/rc.local), but after suspend/hibernate the values are normally restored by pm-utils (eventually this might happen in the kernel). In the past some devices needed a manual override

Re: hdparm -B for netbooks

2010-02-24 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:09:39PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 09:34:54PM +0100, Richard Zidlicky wrote: it was my understanding that hdparm -B has nothing to do with the BIOS but changes the power management feature specific to the drive? Either the drive

Re: Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

2010-02-13 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 06:29:33PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 17:07 -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: An interesting note here is that target audience is of no use in deciding this. KDE and GNOME aim for the same target audiences but have different ideas of how to reach

Re: Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

2010-02-13 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 07:12:24PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Mike McGrath wrote: Spins didn't help, reinstalling did. No. His problem was with switching desktop environment. It was solved by reinstalling with the spin for the target environment, getting the exact package selection

Re: RFC: Remove write permissions from executables

2010-01-29 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 09:43:09AM -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: Quoting Richard Zidlicky (r...@linux-m68k.org): On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:11:41AM -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: All in all I think it's a shame that the original proposal didn't work out at this time. Having binaries

Re: RFC: Remove write permissions from executables

2010-01-27 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 04:10:39PM +0100, Benny Amorsen wrote: Mounting the fs read only is much easier and safer - and has long tradition. This is not feasible as a distribution policy. You can't guarantee that /usr/bin is on its own partition so you can mount it read only. of course it

Re: sysconfig ifcfg-* support for running custom post-up scripts per interface?

2010-01-22 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 01:08:46PM +0200, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: grep ifup-local /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-post Thanks for pointing that out. I was looking at ifup-post, and I thought ifup-local was a script provided by the system, but it seems there's no such script as

Re: sysconfig ifcfg-* support for running custom post-up scripts per interface?

2010-01-22 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 01:13:06PM -0500, Tony Nelson wrote: Perhaps there should be a default /sbin/ifup-local script that dispatches to /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-local/interface? It could contain useful comments, including that it is by default replaceable as its target

Re: sysconfig ifcfg-* support for running custom post-up scripts per interface?

2010-01-22 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 03:42:47PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Tony Nelson (tonynel...@georgeanelson.com) said: same opinion here. I have actually used this for a while, adds one more thing that needs be verified after system upgrades, not very nice. Realistically, the

Re: sysconfig ifcfg-* support for running custom post-up scripts per interface?

2010-01-22 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:05:04PM +0100, Richard Zidlicky wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 03:42:47PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Tony Nelson (tonynel...@georgeanelson.com) said: same opinion here. I have actually used this for a while, adds one more thing that needs be verified

Re: Pulseaudio update issue... [ UPDATE 2 ]

2010-01-12 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:07:37AM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mar 12 janvier 2010 09:29, Richard Zidlicky a écrit : On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 04:10:54PM -0800, Wes Hardaker wrote: I didn't see anything in that message, however, that lead me to any new thoughts on what I should