Re: /sbin/nologin in /etc/shells

2016-10-06 Thread Toby Goodwin
>My question is: If it were really important to make sure the user could no >longer access the system at all, why not just delete the account? Deleting the >user does not >(necessarily) delete their data, so what's the use case for >keeping the account at all in such a situation? In my experien

Re: /sbin/nologin in /etc/shells

2016-10-04 Thread Toby Goodwin
>My objection here is roughly the same. /sbin/nologin does not mean >"locked out", it's a non-shell that can serve as a shell. While there >may be some value in chsh disallowing a change *from* /sbin/nologin to >something else by the own user, it's not intended to block any access at >all by a

Re: /sbin/nologin in /etc/shells

2016-10-04 Thread Toby Goodwin
>Why do people have to think that people are being 'stauch defenders' >when they might just needed a clearer explanation? Stephen, I've been striving to keep my comments technically focused. That remark slipped below my own standards. I didn't mean it as a personal jibe, just a slightly light hear

Re: /sbin/nologin in /etc/shells

2016-10-03 Thread Toby Goodwin
I was just reviewing this thread to date, and came across somebody asking: > How is this a "critical...security hole"? I'm wondering if perhaps some of the staunch defenders of the status quo have missed the security hole? One of the checks that chsh makes when running for an unprivileged user i

Re: /sbin/nologin in /etc/shells

2016-10-03 Thread Toby Goodwin
Kevin Kofler wrote: >I can confirm [that Debian doesn't list nologin in /etc/shells. I've also been researching this. 1. I have checked all current versions of Debian: wheezy (old-stable), jessie (stable), and stretch (testing). 2. Ubuntu follows suit. I have checked all supported LTS versions:

Re: /sbin/nologin in /etc/shells

2016-09-30 Thread Toby Goodwin
As a member of the "remove nologin from /etc/shells" faction, I have 2 technical reasons for my position. I don't think either of these points have been addressed by the "leave it in" faction. 1. Certain programs use pam_shells to check access, but without requiring that the shell is able to run c

Re: /sbin/nologin in /etc/shells

2016-09-29 Thread Toby Goodwin
>nologin is listed in /etc/shells since 2002 [1]. This seems like a extraordinary mistake, and I agree with Jonathan Kamens' comment on the original ticket [1]. I note that his concerns were never adequately answered; the only response was a hand-wavy "well we did it and it doesn't seem to have br

Re: Fedora IPv6 testing and improvements - request for ideas

2015-11-04 Thread Toby Goodwin
As well as Fedora itself, we need to get the infrastructure IPv6 ready. My company has developed an IPv6 health checker. Given a domain, it tests its nameservers, webservers, and mailservers for IPv6 readiness. Currently fedoraproject.org scores 4 out of 9, so there's some room for improvement!

Re: DNF and regular expressions

2015-06-29 Thread Toby Goodwin
>dnf remove '*debuginfo*'.fc20.x86_64 >dnf remove '*debuginfo*.fc20.x86_64' both mean exactly the same thing, of course. Reindl you need to revise sh quoting rules (which are admittedly odd, but this is a simple case). Toby. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.

Self Introduction: Toby Goodwin

2015-04-10 Thread Toby Goodwin
I've been using Free Software for a very long time, and contributing in a small way for nearly 20 years. I even worked briefly for Cygnus in the 1990s, shortly before the Red Hat acquisition. I've been an enthusiastic user of Fedora since... well, since long before it was called Fedora: about Red H