Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
This is an ordinary bug, probably in some X11 driver, perhaps mach64_drv. In practice for the last 2 years, I notice that X11 pays little attention to anything except the big 3: current Radeon, nVidia, and Intel graphics. 3D [alpha blending, etc.] has taken developer resources away from

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 09:11 -0700, John Reiser wrote: In the X.log I see: [ 182.375] Backtrace: [ 182.375] 0: Xorg (xorg_backtrace+0x36) [0x464d46] [ 182.375] 1: Xorg (0x40+0x69d99) [0x469d99] [ 182.375] 2: /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x7f315a2bf000+0xefe0)

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread John Reiser
On 08/16/2012 06:24 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: This is an ordinary bug, probably in some X11 driver, perhaps mach64_drv. In practice for the last 2 years, I notice that X11 pays little attention to anything except the big 3: current Radeon, nVidia, and Intel graphics. 3D [alpha blending,

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread John Reiser
On 08/16/2012 07:13 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 09:11 -0700, John Reiser wrote: In practice for the last 2 years, I notice that X11 pays little attention to anything except the big 3: current Radeon, nVidia, and Intel graphics. 3D [alpha blending, etc.] has taken developer

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 07:47 -0700, John Reiser wrote: New Radeon 9250 cards [RV280] were advertised by Fry's Electronics on August 3; advantages: $50 cheap, perhaps low profile, perhaps available in AGP. There are thousands of such cards appearing in used equipment channels because of the

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:13:14 -0400, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: Yeah, sorry that the devices that need the most work are the ones that get the most work. In the future we'll be sure to focus on end-of-lifed hardware with feature-complete drivers. Even where you guys couldn't

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread John Reiser
On 08/16/2012 07:52 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 07:47 -0700, John Reiser wrote: New Radeon 9250 cards [RV280] were advertised by Fry's Electronics on August 3; advantages: $50 cheap, perhaps low profile, perhaps available in AGP. There are thousands of such cards

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread John Reiser
On 08/16/2012 08:52 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:13:14 -0400, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: Even where you guys couldn't get stuff working, I have gotten work around advice. For example, Airlie told me how to disable AGP in order to prevent lockups on my

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:31:39AM -0700, John Reiser wrote: The wiki page says that the ServerKMSDrivers are 100% implemented, so they should be testable in F-18 Alpha. However, the wiki page also says MGA SE or AST only. What about a KMS vesafb? What would a KMS vesafb even be? --

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread John Reiser
On 08/16/2012 11:55 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:31:39AM -0700, John Reiser wrote: The wiki page says that the ServerKMSDrivers are 100% implemented, so they should be testable in F-18 Alpha. However, the wiki page also says MGA SE or AST only. What about a KMS

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 12:28 -0700, John Reiser wrote: On 08/16/2012 11:55 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:31:39AM -0700, John Reiser wrote: What about a KMS vesafb? What would a KMS vesafb even be? Something good enough so that the combination of {kernel, Xorg

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:28:43PM -0700, John Reiser wrote: Something good enough so that the combination of {kernel, Xorg server, Xorg device driver} would satisfy Gnome3's desires for a display that did not suffer fallback mode. Vesa should already be running llvmpipe and not triggering

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:21:16 -0700, John Reiser jrei...@bitwagon.com wrote: On 08/16/2012 08:52 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:13:14 -0400, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: Even where you guys couldn't get stuff working, I have gotten work around advice.

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-16 Thread Adam Jackson
On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 09:06 -0700, John Reiser wrote: I disagree with the resource allocation decision that RV280 is not worthy of the attention that is necessary to provide the functionality required by Gnome3. Of the approximately nine functionally different generations of radeons on the

Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread Jos Vos
Hi, When trying to do a test install of F17 on server hardware (a dual AMD Opteron system from 2006 with 1 GB of memory), I noticed several issues, while CentOS 6.3 installs fine. So I want to share my experiences, ask for your feedback, and then file bugs when needed. There are 3 major issues,

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread John Reiser
(1) The system has 3 NIC's, 2x Broadcom BCM5704 and 1x Netgear GA630. I use a BCM5704 for network install. This works fine on CentOS with ksdevice=link. With F17 I see multiple dhcp being started, resulting in multiple timeouts (I even see a second dhcp being started for em2 while just

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 17:04 +0200, Jos Vos wrote: Hi, When trying to do a test install of F17 on server hardware (a dual AMD Opteron system from 2006 with 1 GB of memory), I noticed several issues, while CentOS 6.3 installs fine. So I want to share my experiences, ask for your feedback,

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread Jos Vos
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 09:11:42AM -0700, John Reiser wrote: The system has 3 NIC's, 2x Broadcom BCM5704 and 1x Netgear GA630. I use a BCM5704 for network install. This works fine on CentOS with ksdevice=link. With F17 I see multiple dhcp being started, resulting in multiple timeouts (I

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 19:51 +0200, Jos Vos wrote: On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 09:48:19AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: A wild shot in the dark, but not https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F17_bugs#ksdevice-case-sensitive ? I wrote that because we had one person who was using

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread Jos Vos
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 11:29:10AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Implementing growing of raid partitions such that an arbitrary number of partitions always grow at the same rate and end up the same size is quite difficult. There are just more important things that we need to work on. Hmm...

Re: Bad F17 install experiences: CentOS 6.3 vs. F17

2012-08-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 08/09/2012 01:04 PM, Jos Vos wrote: --yesiknowwhatiamdoingbutitaketherisk ;-). I think you misspelled %pre :) -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- FreedomĀ² is a feature! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel