> Dnia 18 maj 2017 o 23:19 Reindl Harald napisał(a):
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> Am 18.05.2017 um 23:13 schrieb Rafal Luzynski:
> > On 18 May 2017 at 11:03, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> >> It's not just packages with explicitly published dependencies. It's a
> >> lot of configuration tools with implicit dependencie
On 18 May 2017 at 11:03, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> It's not just packages with explicitly published dependencies. It's a
> lot of configuration tools with implicit dependencies, whose authors
> didn't imagine at the time of authorship that basic utilities like
> "/sbin/ifconfig". These tools may
On 18 May 2017 at 14:21, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
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>> That's fine Nico, and I'll remind you I'm not in any way proposing
>> removal of net-tools from the repositories.
>
> Cool. "Deprecated" can often imply that the toolkit is due to be
> removed, so I personally just wanted to point out some sp
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 6:54 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
> On 18 May 2017 at 11:03, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:31 AM, James Hogarth
>> wrote:
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>>> On 17 May 2017 8:24 pm, "Tom Hughes" wrote:
>>>
>>> On 17/05/17 20:15, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time
On 18 May 2017 at 11:03, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:31 AM, James Hogarth
> wrote:
>>
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>> On 17 May 2017 8:24 pm, "Tom Hughes" wrote:
>>
>> On 17/05/17 20:15, Chris Adams wrote:
>>>
>>> Once upon a time, Ian Pilcher said:
Removing RPM dependencies on the ne
On Thu, 2017-05-18 at 10:23 +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> On 18 May 2017 at 09:16, Richard W.M. Jones
> wrote:
> > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:29:42PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > It was pointed out on IRC to me tonight that there are actually a
> > > reasonable number of pack
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:31 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
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>
> On 17 May 2017 8:24 pm, "Tom Hughes" wrote:
>
> On 17/05/17 20:15, Chris Adams wrote:
>>
>> Once upon a time, Ian Pilcher said:
>>>
>>> Removing RPM dependencies on the net-tools package and deciding whether
>>> it should be installed b
On 18 May 2017 at 09:16, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:29:42PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> It was pointed out on IRC to me tonight that there are actually a
>> reasonable number of packages that still depend on net-tools[0].
>
> What's wrong with net-tools? I
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:29:42PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It was pointed out on IRC to me tonight that there are actually a
> reasonable number of packages that still depend on net-tools[0].
What's wrong with net-tools? I always install it on my machines to
get the familiar BSD-st
On 17 May 2017 8:24 pm, "Tom Hughes" wrote:
On 17/05/17 20:15, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Ian Pilcher said:
>
>> Removing RPM dependencies on the net-tools package and deciding whether
>> it should be installed by default are two separate (albeit related)
>> discussions.
>>
>
> The
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 09:16:27PM +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote:
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> > I don't mind removing dependencies on net-tools, as long as there
> > still exists these commands in the default install:
> >
> > netstat
> > arp
> > ifconfig
> > route
>
Hi,
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> Here is a list of binary commands in net-tools:
>
> /usr/bin/netstat
> /usr/sbin/arp
> /usr/sbin/ether-wake
> /usr/sbin/ifconfig
> /usr/sbin/ipmaddr
> /usr/sbin/iptunnel
> /usr/sbin/mii-diag
> /usr/sbin/mii-tool
> /usr/sbin/nameif
> /us
On 17/05/17 20:15, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Ian Pilcher said:
Removing RPM dependencies on the net-tools package and deciding whether
it should be installed by default are two separate (albeit related)
discussions.
The subject of the thread here is "deprecated", which implies remo
Once upon a time, Ian Pilcher said:
> Removing RPM dependencies on the net-tools package and deciding whether
> it should be installed by default are two separate (albeit related)
> discussions.
The subject of the thread here is "deprecated", which implies removing
the package, not just reducing
On 05/17/2017 12:47 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
I don't mind removing dependencies on net-tools, as long as there
still exists these commands in the default install:
netstat
arp
ifconfig
route
I consider those to be a basic part of the user interface of any
Linux/UNIX system--there is too much hi
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 07:04:46PM +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-05-17 at 13:47 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> > Here is a list of binary commands in net-tools:
> >
> > /usr/bin/netstat
> > /usr/sbin/arp
> > /usr/sbin/ether-wake
> > /usr/sbin/ifconfig
> > /usr/sbin/ipmaddr
> > /usr/sbi
Once upon a time, Chuck Anderson said:
> Here is a list of binary commands in net-tools:
> /usr/sbin/ether-wake
> /usr/sbin/ipmaddr
> /usr/sbin/iptunnel
> /usr/sbin/mii-diag
> /usr/sbin/mii-tool
> /usr/sbin/plipconfig
> /usr/sbin/slattach
Are there replacements for the above? I know I use eth
On Wed, 2017-05-17 at 13:47 -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 06:33:53PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> > On 17 May 2017 4:35 pm, "Peter Robinson"
> > wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Miller
> > wrote:
> > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 09:15:51AM +0100, Jam
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 06:33:53PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> On 17 May 2017 4:35 pm, "Peter Robinson" wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Miller
> wrote:
> > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 09:15:51AM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> >> On 17 May 2017 at 08:46, Daniel P. Berrange wrote
On 17 May 2017 4:35 pm, "Peter Robinson" wrote:
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 09:15:51AM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
>> On 17 May 2017 at 08:46, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
>> > Converting apps from nettools to iproute is often non-trivial piece
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 09:15:51AM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
>> On 17 May 2017 at 08:46, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
>> > Converting apps from nettools to iproute is often non-trivial piece
>> > of work. As such isn't really something Fedor
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 09:15:51AM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> On 17 May 2017 at 08:46, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> > Converting apps from nettools to iproute is often non-trivial piece
> > of work. As such isn't really something Fedora package maintainers
> > should look to undertake as the ris
On 17 May 2017 at 08:55, Jon Kent wrote:
> I'd agree with that. In addition so many peoples own scripts rely on them
> that the user impact could be huge. That and every SA I know (and me)
> dislikes the ip tool with a passion.
>
Well ignoring emotional reasons for a moment, it has been deprecate
I'd agree with that. In addition so many peoples own scripts rely on them
that the user impact could be huge. That and every SA I know (and me)
dislikes the ip tool with a passion.
Regards,
Jon
On Wed, 17 May 2017, 08:47 Daniel P. Berrange, wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:29:42PM +0100, Ja
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:29:42PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It was pointed out on IRC to me tonight that there are actually a
> reasonable number of packages that still depend on net-tools[0].
>
> This has been deprecated for a long time now and we really should
> strive to have ever
On 16 May 2017 at 18:29, James Hogarth wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It was pointed out on IRC to me tonight that there are actually a
> reasonable number of packages that still depend on net-tools[0].
>
> This has been deprecated for a long time now and we really should
> strive to have everything use iproute
Hi,
It was pointed out on IRC to me tonight that there are actually a
reasonable number of packages that still depend on net-tools[0].
This has been deprecated for a long time now and we really should
strive to have everything use iproute2 instead so that there is no
longer a need to keep the dep
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