Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-24 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Friday, August 23, 2013 08:34 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Paul Wouters pwout...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Chris Murphy wrote: On Aug 22, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but there are

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-24 Thread drago01
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Friday, August 23, 2013 08:34 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Paul Wouters pwout...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Chris Murphy wrote: On Aug 22, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Josh

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-24 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:38 PM, drago01 wrote: On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Friday, August 23, 2013 08:34 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Paul Wouters pwout...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Chris

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-24 Thread drago01
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:38 PM, drago01 wrote: On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Friday, August 23, 2013 08:34 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Aug 22,

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-24 Thread inode0
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: That begs the question: what if the elected word has received a very low score compared to the maximum possible? Doesn't matter. That would mean that it received a very small support from our community, and in

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 24 August 2013 10:55, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote: If None was an option, which I think is a terrible idea, the only thing you could conclude from it winning is the we preferred to not have a release name in this election given the names on the ballot. It would mean absolutely nothing

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-24 Thread inode0
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 August 2013 10:55, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote: If None was an option, which I think is a terrible idea, the only thing you could conclude from it winning is the we preferred to not have a release name in

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-24 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 13:35:40 -0500, inode0 wrote: [...] This was just an announcement of the vote and look where it has gone. It was the missing announcement that made me start this thread, after I had learnt late about the almost ended election in the German Fedora forum and nowhere else. I

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 August 2013 16:38, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Friday, August 23, 2013 08:34 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Paul Wouters pwout...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2013,

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 24 August 2013 12:35, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't want to deal with names, just don't get in the emails or vote.. because it isn't worth getting worked up over. No point saying that because it won't happen. This was just an announcement of the vote and look where it

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-24 Thread inode0
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 August 2013 12:35, inode0 ino...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't want to deal with names, just don't get in the emails or vote.. because it isn't worth getting worked up over. No point saying that because

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread Tomas Radej
Hi, On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:23:39 -0600 Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: snip I'd back no release name for 20 with 8 points and 0 for everything else, if it's an option, and in particular if the marketing includes to the effect of: Fedora 20 is nameless in honor of Seth Vidal who

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: It will be dedicated in the release announcement. Perhaps someone might add something to the download page on the website as well. Hi Josh, Thanks for replying. I personally LOVE release names. However, I feel that

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Paul Wouters pwout...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Chris Murphy wrote: On Aug 22, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but there are essentially two camps right now. Those that don't care

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:39:40 +0200, Tomas Radej wrote: Hi, On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:23:39 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: snip I'd back no release name for 20 with 8 points and 0 for everything else, if it's an option, and in particular if the marketing includes to the effect of: Fedora

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread inode0
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's been hatred (or passionate fighting, or else he would have tried to reach a decision at the FPB level), but indeed, he has been one of those who think the release name process is a waste of time and

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:04:54 -0500, inode0 wrote: [...] so why do we have to keep going over this? Dunno whether we _have_ to. The original purpose of this thread has been a different one. -- Fedora release 20 (Null) - Linux 3.11.0-0.rc6.git1.2.fc20.x86_64 loadavg: 0.08 0.09 0.07 -- devel

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: It would be good if the next vote would allow none as an option. I could not vote 'none' on the last election. And I think it is important to track the percentage of people who want to kill

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 08/23/2013 04:27 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Can we request an exception from the board to add (empty string) as an option for _just_ the F20 naming poll? You'd have to reset voting, too. I've already voted, but I'd re-vote to vote for no name. -- devel mailing list

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com wrote: Can we request an exception from the board to add (empty string) as an option for _just_ the F20 naming poll? Or how about None. It even fits with the lineage -- just like the Schrodinger's cat, it's neither False nor

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread Jan Pokorný
On 23/08/13 17:49 -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: Or how about None. It even fits with the lineage -- just like the Schrodinger's cat, it's neither False nor True. It's None. That would be a worthy tribute to the pythonista and the release-name hater. +1 -- Jan -- devel mailing list

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread Andre Robatino
Josh Boyer jwboyer at fedoraproject.org writes: The Board has an open ticket on the naming process. We're working through it now, but no release names isn't an immediate option because the last time we proposed that the community vote showed names were still desired. Hopefully we'll resolve

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:55:44PM +, Andre Robatino wrote: Josh Boyer jwboyer at fedoraproject.org writes: The Board has an open ticket on the naming process. We're working through it now, but no release names isn't an immediate option because the last time we proposed that the

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread Andre Robatino
Toshio Kuratomi a.badger at gmail.com writes: We could just put the release number into those files and keep the release name in our heads, I suppose. There wouldn't be a technical downside to that but I don't know whether people would like that socially or not. When I said release name I

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-23 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 17:39 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: I personally LOVE release names. However, I feel that we should forego it this one release. What is the point of the board of the community decides everything? We all know that there needs to be a tough decision made by the board, and

F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Michael Schwendt
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/relnamef20 Is this thing for real? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/ says the End Date is 2013-08-23 23:59:59. Where has it been announced this time? There's nothing in the archives for announce and devel-announce list. -- devel mailing list

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 22 August 2013 13:31, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/relnamef20 Is this thing for real? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/ says the End Date is 2013-08-23 23:59:59. Where has it been announced this time? There's nothing in

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Dan Mashal
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 August 2013 13:31, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/relnamef20 Is this thing for real? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/ says the End Date

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 22 August 2013 14:45, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: What happened to naming 20 in honor of Seth? Dan I believe that it was decided that like had been done in the past, this release would be

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Dan Mashal
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that it was decided that like had been done in the past, this release would be dedicated to Seth Vidal, but not named after him as Seth hated released names with a white hot passion of 10,000 supernovas. [Of

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Chris Murphy
On Aug 22, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: [Of course he would probably still laugh if the release was named Vidalia Onion] HEY! Why isn't Vidalia Onion one of the name options? That's way better than any of the other options. Chris Murphy -- devel mailing

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread David
On 8/22/2013 7:03 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Aug 22, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: [Of course he would probably still laugh if the release was named Vidalia Onion] HEY! Why isn't Vidalia Onion one of the name options? That's way better than any of the

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread punto...@libero.it
Il 23/08/2013 01:08, David ha scritto: On 8/22/2013 7:03 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Aug 22, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: [Of course he would probably still laugh if the release was named Vidalia Onion] HEY! Why isn't Vidalia Onion one of the name options?

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread punto...@libero.it
Il 22/08/2013 22:53, Dan Mashal ha scritto: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that it was decided that like had been done in the past, this release would be dedicated to Seth Vidal, but not named after him as Seth hated released names with a

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread punto...@libero.it
Il 23/08/2013 01:22, punto...@libero.it ha scritto: Il 22/08/2013 22:53, Dan Mashal ha scritto: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that it was decided that like had been done in the past, this release would be dedicated to Seth Vidal, but

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Chris Murphy
On Aug 22, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that it was decided that like had been done in the past, this release would be dedicated to Seth Vidal, but not named after him as Seth

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Dan Mashal
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: *smack own forehead* I like that better than the other options also. For me, one extra point for Vidalia onion over 20. Heck I like Crazy Train based on a recent Matthew Miller assertion. Assuming there can be no

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: *smack own forehead* I like that better than the other options also. For me, one extra point for Vidalia onion over 20. Heck I like Crazy Train

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Chris Murphy
On Aug 22, 2013, at 6:05 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: How about no release name, just this one time. In his honor? I'd back no release name for 20 with 8 points and 0 for everything else, if it's an option, and in particular if the marketing includes to the effect of: Fedora

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Dan Mashal
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: The choices are what the community came up with. At this point, that is what we have to chose from. I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but there

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Billy Crook
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Aug 22, 2013, at 6:05 PM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote: How about no release name, just this one time. In his honor? I'd back no release name for 20 with 8 points and 0 for everything else, if it's an

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Chris Murphy
On Aug 22, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but there are essentially two camps right now. Those that don't care about release names one bit (like me), and those that do. If those that do care want better names, they'll need to

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Chris Murphy wrote: On Aug 22, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but there are essentially two camps right now. Those that don't care about release names one bit (like me), and those that do. If those that do

F20 release name election

2013-08-22 Thread Matt Eskes
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Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-22 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
You forgot the third camp, who want their release names without punctuation so it doesn't break a decade of configuration scripting. Releases need punctuation and non-7-bit ASCII in their names like goldfish need martinis. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Josh Boyer