Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On 12/29/20 11:26 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: More likely what you're really confused about is something that a lot of people are not aware of.  Wayland is a protocol, not a program.  I believe there's a library, but the final implementation is done in each window manager.  The X11 "emulation" is

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On 12/29/20 4:25 PM, przemek klosowski via devel wrote: On 12/29/20 5:20 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: I don't think this GNOME bug is in any way related to the topic of whether KDE should default to Wayland So I am confused---I thought it is a problem in Wayland, perhaps in its X11

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On 12/29/20 5:20 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: I don't think this GNOME bug is in any way related to the topic of whether KDE should default to Wayland So I am confused---I thought it is a problem in Wayland, perhaps in its X11 emulation but still Wayland.  Yes, the app is misbehaving,

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 5:01 pm, przemek klosowski via devel wrote: This is an old bug currently assigned to gnome-session. Should I reassign it to Wayland? Please don't. That is an X11-specific bug; you can see the top 10 frames of the backtrace are all X11 code. I will reassign it to

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On 12/28/20 3:51 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: I really don't see we have much of a choice here. X11 is eventually going away and Wayland is the path forward. ... If you notice issues, please open bugs. I have an open bz about reliable wayland crashes:

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

Fulko Hew wrote: > a) is there an easy (i.e. documented) way of testing it? Keeping in mind that testing anything now (before plasma 5.21 is preliminary), but... best way to test: 1. create a new user for testing purposes 2. make sure plasma-workspace-wayland pkg is installed 3. login using

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 3:51 PM Gerald B. Cox wrote: ... snip ... So if you haven't tried wayland and plasma lately - you should try again. > OK. a) is there an easy (i.e. documented) way of testing it? b) is there an equivalent to 'remoting' single windows (applications) to remote

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

I really don't see we have much of a choice here. X11 is eventually going away and Wayland is the path forward. That's already been decided, so at this point it isn't a matter for debate. Human nature being what it is, people tend to procrastinate and not do anything until pressed up against

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

> Okay, and? There's five months between now and beta freeze. Do you > seriously think that the bugs there won't get fixed? Some of them > already *have* been fixed in Plasma 5.19. It looks like most of the issues listed [1] still have open bug reports. Are these bug reports just not getting

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Mon, 2020-09-14 at 00:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Ben Cotton wrote: >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma >> > >> > == Summary == >> > Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the >> > Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On 28.12.2020 11:54, Sérgio Basto wrote: Also, I'm against add workarounds on desktop files like this one [1] forcing apps running with QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb , because is just hidden the real problem. Instead of patching, Qt5 maintainers should drop this patch[1]. [1]:

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Mon, 2020-09-14 at 00:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma > > > > == Summary == > > Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the > > Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one.

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:05 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 21.09.2020 14:30, Neal Gompa wrote: > > Do you > > seriously think that the bugs there won't get fixed? Some of them > > already *have* been fixed in Plasma 5.19. > > A very annoying bug[1] with broken keyboard layout switcher

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On 21.09.2020 14:30, Neal Gompa wrote: > Do you > seriously think that the bugs there won't get fixed? Some of them > already *have* been fixed in Plasma 5.19. A very annoying bug[1] with broken keyboard layout switcher must be a blocker. Not everyone here lives in English-speaking countries.

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 8:28 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 21.09.2020 13:19, Neal Gompa wrote: > > KDE upstream has a > > specific "goal" to get Wayland support to first-class status: > > https://community.kde.org/Goals/Wayland > > https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On 21.09.2020 13:19, Neal Gompa wrote: > KDE upstream has a > specific "goal" to get Wayland support to first-class status: > https://community.kde.org/Goals/Wayland https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 7:11 AM Ondrej Mosnacek wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:22 PM Pavel Raiskup wrote: > > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 6:00:09 PM CEST Ondrej Mosnacek wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:58 PM Neal Becker wrote: > > > > Might be interesting to try logging in as

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:22 PM Pavel Raiskup wrote: > On Thursday, September 10, 2020 6:00:09 PM CEST Ondrej Mosnacek wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:58 PM Neal Becker wrote: > > > Might be interesting to try logging in as a new user to see if some older > > > kde settings are messing

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 6:00:09 PM CEST Ondrej Mosnacek wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:58 PM Neal Becker wrote: > > Might be interesting to try logging in as a new user to see if some older > > kde settings are messing things up. > > That's definitely possible... However this is a

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma > > == Summary == > Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the > Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one. > > == Owner == > * Name: [[User:Ngompa|Neal Gompa]],

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:27 PM Silvia Sánchez wrote: > Ondrej, > > You need to install Kwin Wayland and another package that will provide the > backend. It seems all the necessary packages were pulled in as dependencies via plasma-workspace-wayland. $ sudo dnf info --installed *wayland* |

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:58 PM Neal Becker wrote: > Might be interesting to try logging in as a new user to see if some older kde > settings are messing things up. That's definitely possible... However this is a single-user machine and I don't really feel like creating a new user :) If I

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

Ondrej, You need to install Kwin Wayland and another package that will provide the backend. My experience wasn't the best, several apps crashed, effects stuttered or were very slow, even typing felt slower. But at least my desktop looked normal. One comment: the logging out issue is not because

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On 09.09.2020 20:23, Christoph Karl wrote: > Do you have a link, bugzilla or so? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=390079 Known KDE-Wayland issues: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

Might be interesting to try logging in as a new user to see if some older kde settings are messing things up. On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:24 AM Ondrej Mosnacek wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 5:30 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma > > > >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 5:30 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma > > == Summary == > Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the > Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one. > > == Owner == > * Name:

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 8:28:20 AM MST Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma > > == Summary == > Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the > Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one. > > == Owner == > *

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

Hello! Me having this issue also. But only in firefox and thunderbird, other appls seems to work. Do you have a link, bugzilla or so? Thank you Best Regrads Christoph Am 09.09.20 um 16:51 schrieb Vitaly Zaitsev via devel: On 08.09.2020 17:28, Ben Cotton wrote: Change the default session

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

> KDE > spin is a blocker edition, so its default installation must pass our > release criterias. > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria Right, but have there been any investigations to see if those release criteria are fulfilled on Plasma + Wayland? If it doesn't currently meet

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On 08.09.2020 17:28, Ben Cotton wrote: > Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the > Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one. KDE Plasma from F32 on Wayland has a major issue with broken keyboard layout indicator. This issue need to be fixed first before

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:33 AM Dominique Martinet wrote: > Neal Becker wrote on Wed, Sep 09, 2020: > > I have tested kde/wayland on F32 but have hit a roadblock. We are all > > working from home and need to share screens. Using google chrome, on X11 > > when I try to share an app window

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

Neal Becker wrote on Wed, Sep 09, 2020: > I have tested kde/wayland on F32 but have hit a roadblock. We are all > working from home and need to share screens. Using google chrome, on X11 > when I try to share an app window (which is my usual choice) there are no > problems, but on wayland only

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:09 AM Neal Becker wrote: > > I have tested kde/wayland on F32 but have hit a roadblock. We are all > working from home and need to share screens. Using google chrome, on X11 > when I > try to share an app window (which is my usual choice) there are no problems, >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

I have tested kde/wayland on F32 but have hit a roadblock. We are all working from home and need to share screens. Using google chrome, on X11 when I try to share an app window (which is my usual choice) there are no problems, but on wayland only some of the windows are given as choices to

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 4:30:54 AM WEST Tom Seewald wrote: > Has anyone compiled a (non-exhaustive) list of known issues that are > specific to KDE Plasma with Wayland? https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers -- José Abílio___

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

20/9/9 05:30(e)an, Tom Seewald igorleak idatzi zuen: > Has anyone compiled a (non-exhaustive) list of known issues that are specific > to KDE Plasma with Wayland? Are there currently any issues that would block > Wayland from becoming the default if they aren't resolved in time for F34? KDE

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 17:48:30 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 01:35:11PM -0700, stan via devel wrote: > > Does it now have support for custom keymappings? That is, does it > > have a way to set a user keymap as the default? X has a very mature > > system for setting this, so

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 5:32:30 PM WEST Robert-André Mauchin wrote: > Please no, KWin Wayland makes my system crash as soon as I connect my second > screen, and does not support essential functions like Kwin scripting, make > Yakuake look terrible and the whole stuff feels buggy as hell. >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

Has anyone compiled a (non-exhaustive) list of known issues that are specific to KDE Plasma with Wayland? Are there currently any issues that would block Wayland from becoming the default if they aren't resolved in time for F34? ___ devel mailing list

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

Hi all On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 08:56, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: Hi Ben, On 9/8/2020 8:28 AM, Ben Cotton wrote: == Summary == Change the default session

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 01:35:11PM -0700, stan via devel wrote: > Does it now have support for custom keymappings? That is, does it have > a way to set a user keymap as the default? X has a very mature system > for setting this, so I can have my custom keymapping everywhere except > in editing

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 11:28:20 -0400 Ben Cotton wrote: > Is Wayland ready? > Wayland has been used by default for Fedora Workstation (which uses > GNOME) since Fedora 25. And while it was somewhat immature initially, > today it is a very rock-solid experience on virtually everything >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 12:57 PM Silvia Sánchez wrote: > > Yes, I don't see KDE Wayland sufficiently mature to actually work as a > default. It needs more work and testing. > > On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 18:33, Robert-André Mauchin wrote: >> >> Please no, KWin Wayland makes my system crash as soon

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

Yes, I don't see KDE Wayland sufficiently mature to actually work as a default. It needs more work and testing. On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 18:33, Robert-André Mauchin wrote: > On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 17:28:20 CEST Ben Cotton wrote: > >

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 17:28:20 CEST Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma > > == Summary == > Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the > Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one. > > == Owner == > *

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:56 AM Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > On 9/8/2020 8:28 AM, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma > > > > == Summary == > > Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the > > Wayland-based KDE Plasma

Re: F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

Hi Ben, On 9/8/2020 8:28 AM, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma == Summary == Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Ngompa|Neal

F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma == Summary == Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Ngompa|Neal Gompa]], [[User:Rdieter|Rex Dieter]],

F34 Change proposal: Wayland by Default for KDE Plasma Desktop (System-Wide Change)

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefaultForPlasma == Summary == Change the default session selection in SDDM to prefer the Wayland-based KDE Plasma Desktop session over the X11-based one. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Ngompa|Neal Gompa]], [[User:Rdieter|Rex Dieter]],