Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-11 Thread Roman Rakus
On 11/08/2010 03:12 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: Here is the attack: Your system is running with nice secure encrypted drives, no console access (or a locked screen on a laptop). The attacker inserts a bootable USB key and hits the power switch. System reboots into the USB key, it retrieves

Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-11 Thread Vaclav Mocek
I am not a kernel developer, but I do think it would be a step forward simply to erase a [substantial|critical] part of the physical memory before the system enters stages S4 or S5. An option in ACPI driver, implemented somewhere in acpi_os_stall() ?, I really don't know. Vaclav M. -- devel

Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-11 Thread Vaclav Mocek
On 11/11/2010 07:55 PM, Roman Rakus wrote: On 11/08/2010 03:12 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: Here is the attack: Your system is running with nice secure encrypted drives, no console access (or a locked screen on a laptop). The attacker inserts a bootable USB key and hits the power

Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-11 Thread Vaclav Mocek
On 11/08/2010 10:18 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: So, after quick reading, this is not what I expected. This is just another kernel block cypher used by dmcrypt to (de)crypt block device data guartneeing encryption key does no leave CPU by storing the key in SSE register. The drawback is nobody can

Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-11 Thread John Reiser
It would be usefull to overwrite some parts of memory (keys etc.), before the computer is switched off. So, my question is: Is there already implemented and used some kind of protection? Boot Memory test from install media (DVD, LiveCD, LiveUSB, etc.) and let it run for a minute. Or,

Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-08 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2010-11-06, Vaclav Mocek little@email.cz wrote: It would be usefull to overwrite some parts of memory (keys etc.), before the computer is switched off. So, my question is: Is there already implemented and used some kind of protection? There was a patch for Linux to scramble memory

Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-08 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2010-11-06, Vaclav Mocek little@email.cz wrote: I work like an Embedded SW/HW Developer and my experience is that data could remain in the dynamic memory for quite long time, even in the room temperature. I have used it successfully for debugging, when a booting routine after the

Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-08 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2010-11-08, Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com wrote: One of the problem is where to store the key. I found a thesis http://pi1.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/filepool/theses/diplomarbeit-2010-mueller.pdf right now which describes working implementation using SSE registers as a permanent (untill power

Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok there are several different cold boot attacks. The one  I think you are talking about is the removing memory from the system and reading its contents with a special board. The kernel does not [snip] Not even with a

Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-07 Thread Vaclav Mocek
Hi all, I have read some articles about the Cold Boot Attacks and I am wondering whether my Fedora box is protected against such kinds of attack, at least to some extent. I work like an Embedded SW/HW Developer and my experience is that data could remain in the dynamic memory for quite long

Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-07 Thread Digimer
On 10-11-06 07:36 PM, Vaclav Mocek wrote: Hi all, I have read some articles about the Cold Boot Attacks and I am wondering whether my Fedora box is protected against such kinds of attack, at least to some extent. I work like an Embedded SW/HW Developer and my experience is that data

Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-07 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 00:36:58 +0100, Vaclav Mocek wrote: I have read some articles about the Cold Boot Attacks and I am wondering whether my Fedora box is protected against such kinds of attack, at least to some extent. If you have physical access to the box there is no security left.

Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 18:44:48 +0100, Jan Kratochvil jan.kratoch...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 00:36:58 +0100, Vaclav Mocek wrote: I have read some articles about the Cold Boot Attacks and I am wondering whether my Fedora box is protected against such kinds of attack, at

Re: Fedora - Cold Boot Attack

2010-11-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 17:36, Vaclav Mocek little@email.cz wrote: Hi all, I have read some articles about the Cold Boot Attacks and I am wondering  whether my Fedora box is protected against such kinds of attack, at least to some extent. Ok there are several different cold boot attacks.