On Mon, 2019-11-04 at 03:18 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > *Requirement*: Users must be able to discover what alternative
> > software
> > versions are available with tools that are shipped with the OS by
> > default.
> > Ideally, these should be the same tools that they are already
> >
Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> One of the recurring themes in the ongoing Modularity threads has been
> that we've made references to the problems we're trying to solve, but we
> haven't done a good job of gathering those requirements and use-cases into
> a single place. To resolve this, I've written
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 03:56:11PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> I think the issue is that neither of you are defining what expected
> lifespans of stability or what stability is. After that you can
> disagree whether it is important or not to what you want to do... but
> until then you are
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 8:21 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:16 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thank you for this very useful summary.
> >
> > One general problem with the thinking behind this is that it applies much
> > more
> > to CentOS
On Mon, 2019-10-28 at 15:35 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> If we could operate on spec files and SRPMs, then the Gentoo solution
> gets to be an interesting option.
Yeah that's what I'm suggesting - to study Gentoo's solution and to
make similar changes to our tooling to achieve a similar solution.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 4:11 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 03:11:13PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 14:38, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:16 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 03:11:13PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 14:38, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:16 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > wrote:
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> > > > *Requirement*: It must be possible for the packager to specify the
>
On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 15:21, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:16 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thank you for this very useful summary.
> >
> > One general problem with the thinking behind this is that it applies much
> > more
> > to CentOS or
On Mon, 2019-10-28 at 15:33 -0400, Randy Barlow wrote:
> Gentoo's solution to "too fast, too slow" addresses every requirement
> in this post, except for this one:
>
> On Mon, 2019-10-28 at 10:08 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > Requirement: Packagers must be able to encode whether their
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 3:33 PM Randy Barlow
wrote:
>
> Gentoo's solution to "too fast, too slow" addresses every requirement
> in this post, except for this one:
>
> On Mon, 2019-10-28 at 10:08 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > Requirement: Packagers must be able to encode whether their output
Gentoo's solution to "too fast, too slow" addresses every requirement
in this post, except for this one:
On Mon, 2019-10-28 at 10:08 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> Requirement: Packagers must be able to encode whether their output
> artifacts are intended for use by other projects or if they
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:16 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Thank you for this very useful summary.
>
> One general problem with the thinking behind this is that it applies much more
> to CentOS or RHEL than it does to Fedora. In particular:
> > users want a solid, stable,
On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 at 14:38, Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:16 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> >
>
> > > *Requirement*: It must be possible for the packager to specify the order
> > > in
> > > which packages must be built (and to indicate which ones can be built
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 2:16 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Thank you for this very useful summary.
>
> One general problem with the thinking behind this is that it applies much more
> to CentOS or RHEL than it does to Fedora. In particular:
> > users want a solid, stable,
Hi,
Thank you for this very useful summary.
One general problem with the thinking behind this is that it applies much more
to CentOS or RHEL than it does to Fedora. In particular:
> users want a solid, stable, reliable, *unchanging* system.
In that case, really, Fedora is not the answer. No
One of the recurring themes in the ongoing Modularity threads has been that
we've made references to the problems we're trying to solve, but we haven't
done a good job of gathering those requirements and use-cases into a single
place. To resolve this, I've written a (fairly long) blog post
One of the recurring themes in the ongoing Modularity threads has been that
we've made references to the problems we're trying to solve, but we haven't
done a good job of gathering those requirements and use-cases into a single
place. To resolve this, I've written a (fairly long) blog post
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