Marius Schwarz wrote:
> no printersupport
Uh, you can actually attach a printer directly to a PinePhone, either using
the convergence dock or USB C directly.
> ATM, i still see a long way to go for Linux on Phones, but Android
> didn't do it overnight either.
I have been using a PinePhone as my
On 10/14/21 18:30, Peter Boy wrote:
A default installation of Fedora Server Edition occupies about 2.2 GiB of
storage and consumes 505 MiB of Ram. An absolute minimum might be 2 G RAM and 5
G storage
This pretty much would require a reinstall on upgrade, because during
the regular upgrade th
On Tue, 2021-10-19 at 10:57 +0200, Marius Schwarz wrote:
> Am 17.10.21 um 22:31 schrieb Robby Callicotte via devel:
> > On Sunday, October 17, 2021 3:05:13 PM CDT Dan Čermák wrote:
> > > They are also much more intuitive to use for your average user/
> > > newcomer
> > > to Linux in contrast to a t
On Tue, 2021-10-19 at 07:33 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > So in short the best current scenario is Anaconda booted in text
> > mode
> > from a USB stick or via PXE with NFS installation source - that
> > should
> > require the least amount of RAM at installation time.
> >
> > Still ev
On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 05:23:55PM +0200, mkol...@redhat.com wrote:
> As already mentioned, the installation image has grown and in some
> scenarios its size can directly impact RAM requirements, as the image
> needs to be downloaded and held in RAM at installation size (PXE boot
> with HTTP instal
Am 17.10.21 um 22:31 schrieb Robby Callicotte via devel:
On Sunday, October 17, 2021 3:05:13 PM CDT Dan Čermák wrote:
They are also much more intuitive to use for your average user/ newcomer
to Linux in contrast to a text interface (which will put them off when
compared to the Windows or Ubuntu
Hi,
> So in short the best current scenario is Anaconda booted in text mode
> from a USB stick or via PXE with NFS installation source - that should
> require the least amount of RAM at installation time.
>
> Still even then, especially with kickstart installations that have
> elaborate post sc
I am going to reply to the parent and grandparent post at once, starting
with the parent post:
Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> This conversation is one that seems to happen to computer people as
> they age. I remember in the early 1990's that the Sun 4.1 installer
> was incredibly bloated and requi
On Sun, 2021-10-17 at 15:56 -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 3:36 PM Chris Murphy
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 10:01 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I still remember how Red Hat Linux and (IIRC) Fedora Core 1 could
> >
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 02:20, drago01 wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 18, 2021, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>>
>> Is it worth paying hundreds of MBytes of installer space, and the new
>> 2 GB minimum RAM to simply install Fedora? I'm not saying "discard
>> anaconda". I'm saying "be aware of some v
On Monday, October 18, 2021, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> Is it worth paying hundreds of MBytes of installer space, and the new
> 2 GB minimum RAM to simply install Fedora? I'm not saying "discard
> anaconda". I'm saying "be aware of some very real reasons the
> installer has gotten so huge". And k
Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 3:36 PM Chris Murphy
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 10:01 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Fedora 34 netinst image is still 450 times the size of a floppy!
>>
>> The top two reasons for this: a significant portion of anacond
I think an important question we should ask is who is the target user we're
thinking about when we consider 'recommendations'. I used to have a pretty
clear picture of what 'recommended/required' meant, and then I did some
charity/volunteer work in Namibia back in the early 2000s and realized that
Is it worth paying hundreds of MBytes of installer space, and the new
2 GB minimum RAM to simply install Fedora? I'm not saying "discard
anaconda". I'm saying "be aware of some very real reasons the
installer has gotten so huge". And keep it in mind for your own
projects.
On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 4
On Sunday, October 17, 2021 3:05:13 PM CDT Dan Čermák wrote:
> They are also much more intuitive to use for your average user/ newcomer
> to Linux in contrast to a text interface (which will put them off when
> compared to the Windows or Ubuntu installer). Yes, a text interface is
> much more resou
Nico Kadel-Garcia writes:
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 3:36 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 10:01 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I still remember how Red Hat Linux and (IIRC) Fedora Core 1 could be booted
>>> from a floppy (older Red Hat Linux release
On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 3:36 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 10:01 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I still remember how Red Hat Linux and (IIRC) Fedora Core 1 could be booted
>> from a floppy (older Red Hat Linux releases even had a fully functioning
>> rescue
On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 10:01 PM Kevin Kofler via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
>
> I still remember how Red Hat Linux and (IIRC) Fedora Core 1 could be
> booted
> from a floppy (older Red Hat Linux releases even had a fully functioning
> rescue mode on the floppy, later ones could
Marius Schwarz wrote:
> Am 14.10.21 um 22:09 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
>> I think that those numbers (20GB+2GB) are quite reasonable for the
>> stated purpose of "install and run successfully". I think that people
> The smallest device Fedora runs on, will propably be the Pinephone.
>
>
Am 14.10.21 um 22:09 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
I think that those numbers (20GB+2GB) are quite reasonable for the
stated purpose of "install and run successfully". I think that people
The smallest device Fedora runs on, will propably be the Pinephone.
ATM..it has 3 GB Ram and a 32 GB
On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 04:13:34AM +0200, Michal Schorm wrote:
> Thinking about this more, I always get to a question:
> "Who are the consumers of that information and what do they actually
> use it for?"
One consumer is libosinfo. Tools which use libosinfo (of which there
are quite a few) will u
On 10/15/21 5:13 AM, Michal Schorm wrote:
Thinking about this more, I always get to a question:
"Who are the consumers of that information and what do they actually
use it for?"
My personal idea is that the _ recommended _ requirements (of any OS)
are seeked by people that
1/ are going to instal
Thinking about this more, I always get to a question:
"Who are the consumers of that information and what do they actually
use it for?"
My personal idea is that the _ recommended _ requirements (of any OS)
are seeked by people that
1/ are going to install the system on some hardware on which that
> Am 14.10.2021 um 17:24 schrieb Michal Schorm :
>
> Sigh, it is useless to search for Fedora documentation on google ...
> anything but _current_ Docs will be found.
Welcome to the club. This has been a nuisance for a long time. I have made
several attempts, but so far without response.
>
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 06:14:44PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> I know "feels responsive" is pretty subjective, so, maybe "switching tabs
> should be < 0.1 second" (from
> https://www.nngroup.com/articles/response-times-3-important-limits/).
Or, perhaps: better than some threshold for Phoronix T
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 08:09:45PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> I think that those numbers (20GB+2GB) are quite reasonable for the
> stated purpose of "install and run successfully". I think that people
> know and understand that additional resources are required for
> additional thi
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:41:17PM -0400, Chris Murphy wrote:
> Only Fedora Workstation edition explicitly states minimum hardware
> requirements: "Fedora requires a minimum of 20GB disk, 2GB RAM, to
> install and run successfully. Double those amounts is recommended."
> https://getfedora.org/en/wo
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 11:25 AM Michal Schorm wrote:
>
> Sigh, it is useless to search for Fedora documentation on google ...
> anything but _current_ Docs will be found.
>
> > Only Fedora Workstation edition explicitly states minimum hardware
> > requirements: "Fedora requires a minimum of 20GB
Sigh, it is useless to search for Fedora documentation on google ...
anything but _current_ Docs will be found.
> Only Fedora Workstation edition explicitly states minimum hardware
> requirements: "Fedora requires a minimum of 20GB disk, 2GB RAM, to
> install and run successfully. Double those amo
Hi,
Workstation working group was tracking this:
#241 Re-revisit Fedora Workstation minimums
https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/241
But to answer the questions, I think we need to broaden the
conversation, hence this email.
Only Fedora Workstation edition explicitly states minimum hardwa
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