Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 06:45 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Bill Nottingham wrote: > > It causes problems for people who build things outside of chroots with > > straight rpmbuild, though, if they need to ever build different things > > with different buildreqs (even as test builds). > > > > Admitted

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bill Nottingham wrote: > It causes problems for people who build things outside of chroots with > straight rpmbuild, though, if they need to ever build different things > with different buildreqs (even as test builds). > > Admittedly, we like to encourage people to use mock, but people will still

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-10-25 at 09:55 +0200, Jan Synacek wrote: > Anyway, I think that neither of those solutions is far superior in any way. > Maybe I could drop all the renaming in the compat package and make it conflict > with guile-devel, but that there seems to be no agreement on whether it is or > is

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-25 Thread Jan Synacek
On 10/23/2012 12:52 PM, Kalev Lember wrote: > On 10/23/2012 12:12 PM, Jan Synacek wrote: >> This is what I had originally in mind. After trying to realize this idea and >> consulting it with the maintainer (I'm a comaintainer of guile), it didn't >> seem >> right. The problem is that a lot of thin

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-10-24 at 17:13 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > > Well, I don't mind doing that, but I'd like to be sure there's a broad > > consensus that this is the way to go first. I don't think 'duelling > > drafts' is the best way to decide on what d

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > Well, I don't mind doing that, but I'd like to be sure there's a broad > consensus that this is the way to go first. I don't think 'duelling > drafts' is the best way to decide on what direction to go; I'd rather > make sure we agree on the direction f

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-24 Thread Kalev Lember
On 10/23/2012 03:44 PM, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: > On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:52:47PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: >> Parallel installable guile interpreters: >> http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/guile-1.8/filelist >> http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/guile-2.0/filelist > > So both new and old g

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-10-23 at 16:25 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 02:58:28PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2012-10-23 at 12:17 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > > > """ > > > Compat Package Conflicts > > > It is acceptable to use Conflicts: in some cases involving c

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-23 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 02:58:28PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-10-23 at 12:17 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > """ > > Compat Package Conflicts > > It is acceptable to use Conflicts: in some cases involving compat packages. > > These are the cases where it is not feasible to pa

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-10-23 at 12:17 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > """ > Compat Package Conflicts > It is acceptable to use Conflicts: in some cases involving compat packages. > These are the cases where it is not feasible to patch applications to look > in alternate locations for the -compat files, so t

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-23 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 03:44:11PM +0200, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: > On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:52:47PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: > > Parallel installable guile interpreters: > > http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/guile-1.8/filelist > > http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/guile-2.0/filelist > >

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-23 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:52:47PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: > Parallel installable guile interpreters: > http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/guile-1.8/filelist > http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/guile-2.0/filelist So both new and old guile scripts need to be patched to call the right binary

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-23 Thread Kalev Lember
On 10/23/2012 12:12 PM, Jan Synacek wrote: > This is what I had originally in mind. After trying to realize this idea and > consulting it with the maintainer (I'm a comaintainer of guile), it didn't > seem > right. The problem is that a lot of things have to be renamed, including some > autotools

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-23 Thread Jan Synacek
On 10/23/2012 11:55 AM, Kalev Lember wrote: > I agree, updating 21 packages is a bit too much at this point in F18 > schedule. > > However, a way to make this work for F18 would be creating a parallel > installable guile20 package. So instead of what you are planning now: > > guile-2.0.x > compat

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-23 Thread Kalev Lember
On 10/23/2012 11:42 AM, Jan Synacek wrote: > On 10/23/2012 11:15 AM, Kalev Lember wrote: >> On 10/23/2012 08:51 AM, Jan Synacek wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I've created a review request for compat-guile1.8: >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=868263 >>> >>> Once the compat package lan

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-23 Thread Jan Synacek
On 10/23/2012 11:15 AM, Kalev Lember wrote: > On 10/23/2012 08:51 AM, Jan Synacek wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I've created a review request for compat-guile1.8: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=868263 >> >> Once the compat package lands in rawhide, I will leave some time for the >> tra

Re: HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-23 Thread Kalev Lember
On 10/23/2012 08:51 AM, Jan Synacek wrote: > Hello all, > > I've created a review request for compat-guile1.8: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=868263 > > Once the compat package lands in rawhide, I will leave some time for the > transition (I may work on the required patches if time

HEADS-UP: Transition to guile-2.0.x and a new compat-guile1.8 package

2012-10-22 Thread Jan Synacek
Hello all, I've created a review request for compat-guile1.8: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=868263 Once the compat package lands in rawhide, I will leave some time for the transition (I may work on the required patches if time allows me). After that, guile (now version 1.8) will bec