Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-14 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/14/2011 01:28 AM, Ian Kent wrote: Anyway, I'll start work on the logging changes and add a unit file and see how we go. Should autofs install the unit file into the systemd area or what should do? So the final unit file should look something like this... ### autofs.service ### [Unit]

Re: daemon(7) (was: Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit)

2011-11-14 Thread Jan Vcelak
$ rpm -qf /usr/share/man/man7/daemon.7.gz systemd-37-3.fc16.x86_64 - Original Message - On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 02:22:02PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: Please have a look at the check list in daemon(7). What package is that man page in? $ man 7 daemon No manual entry for

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-13 Thread Ian Kent
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 14:05 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 10.11.11 11:07, Ian Kent (ra...@themaw.net) wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 11:01 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/09/2011 05:49 AM, Ian Kent wrote: What other form of encouragement can you suggest? This

daemon(7) (was: Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit)

2011-11-12 Thread Scott Schmit
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 02:22:02PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: Please have a look at the check list in daemon(7). What package is that man page in? $ man 7 daemon No manual entry for daemon in section 7 Also, a google search for man 7 daemon, daemon(7), daemon man page, man daemon section

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-11 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 10.11.11 11:07, Ian Kent (ra...@themaw.net) wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 11:01 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/09/2011 05:49 AM, Ian Kent wrote: What other form of encouragement can you suggest? This email thread for a start. We have had email threads like this

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-11 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Note that only double-forking will properly detach a process from the parent it is started from on Unix, and hence is not an option but mandatory to do In the traditional SysV, the process executing

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-11 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 10.11.11 11:24, Ian Kent (ra...@themaw.net) wrote: On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 11:01 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Now taking a quick look at the autofs service which I assume you are referring too I'm not seeing anykind of massive rewrite in order for the daemon ( which

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-11 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 11.11.11 14:12, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Note that only double-forking will properly detach a process from the parent it is started from on Unix, and hence is not an option but mandatory

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-11 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 11.11.11 14:36, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Fri, 11.11.11 14:12, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-09 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 01:41:28PM +0100, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: On the today's FESCo meeting we discussed the request to move forward the conversion of the

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-09 Thread Ric Wheeler
On 11/09/2011 01:56 PM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Tomasz Torczto...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 01:41:28PM +0100, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Tomas Mraztm...@redhat.com wrote: On the today's FESCo meeting we discussed the request to

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 09.11.11 13:49, Ian Kent (ra...@themaw.net) wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 13:52 +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 01:41:28PM +0100, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: On the today's FESCo meeting we discussed the

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/09/2011 05:49 AM, Ian Kent wrote: What other form of encouragement can you suggest? This email thread for a start. We have had email threads like this for two release cycles now and yet the main problem still remains the same packagers/maintainers not either migrating themselves or

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-09 Thread Kay Sievers
2011/11/9 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com: On 11/09/2011 05:49 AM, Ian Kent wrote: That only leaves this relevant sections from that quick look that needs some work and remains questionable if that should be handled in unit file et all...       # Check misc device         if [ -n

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: If yours cant be autoloaded on use here's a conf file that loads that module. ### autofs.conf ### # Load autofs module at boot autofs4 Isn't loading autofs one of the first things systemd does anyway, because it's used to implement systemd's on-access

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-09 Thread Ian Kent
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 12:07 +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: 2011/11/9 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com: On 11/09/2011 05:49 AM, Ian Kent wrote: That only leaves this relevant sections from that quick look that needs some work and remains questionable if that should be handled in unit

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-09 Thread Ian Kent
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 11:01 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/09/2011 05:49 AM, Ian Kent wrote: What other form of encouragement can you suggest? This email thread for a start. We have had email threads like this for two release cycles now and yet the main problem still

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-09 Thread Ian Kent
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 11:01 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Now taking a quick look at the autofs service which I assume you are referring too I'm not seeing anykind of massive rewrite in order for the daemon ( which generally is an exception that a rule ) to work in systemd unit so

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-08 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/08/2011 12:04 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Yupp, newer versions might want to use /run instead of /var/run, and drop all references to syslog.target. But then again, this is not key, as nothing breaks if they do. This is such a large scale change that it's better to make them future

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-08 Thread drago01
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: On the today's FESCo meeting we discussed the request to move forward the conversion of the sysvinit scripts to systemd units in Fedora 17. The packages which ship sysvinit script but do not ship systemd unit according to the

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-08 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 01:41:28PM +0100, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: On the today's FESCo meeting we discussed the request to move forward the conversion of the sysvinit scripts to systemd units in Fedora 17. The packages which ship

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-08 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 12:37 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/08/2011 12:04 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: Yupp, newer versions might want to use /run instead of /var/run, and drop all references to syslog.target. But then again, this is not key, as nothing breaks if they do.

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-08 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/08/2011 07:53 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote: This is still very debatable as it means any update to the unit file in the package will not be reflected on the system anymore. Not if you use .include https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd#How_do_I_customize_a_unit_file.2F_add_a_custom_unit_file.3F

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-08 Thread Ian Kent
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 13:52 +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 01:41:28PM +0100, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: On the today's FESCo meeting we discussed the request to move forward the conversion of the sysvinit scripts

Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-07 Thread Tomas Mraz
On the today's FESCo meeting we discussed the request to move forward the conversion of the sysvinit scripts to systemd units in Fedora 17. The packages which ship sysvinit script but do not ship systemd unit according to the Fedora packaging guidelines violate this rule:

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-07 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:35:18 -0900 Jef Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: Eventual blocking of the packages that violate this Fedora packaging rule was not yet definitively decided upon, but we agreed that the Fedora package

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-07 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 10:35 -0900, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: Eventual blocking of the packages that violate this Fedora packaging rule was not yet definitively decided upon, but we agreed that the Fedora package maintainers

Re: Heads Up: FESCo is considering to block packages providing sysvinit services without systemd unit

2011-11-07 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/07/2011 07:41 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote: On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 10:35 -0900, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Tomas Mraztm...@redhat.com wrote: Eventual blocking of the packages that violate this Fedora packaging rule was not yet definitively decided upon, but we agreed