Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Wed, 2017-02-22 at 22:51 +, František Zatloukal wrote: > > ... is trying to say. The "gen3" family of Intel GPUs (i915, i945, G33) > > are (to put it politely) garbage. Though they claim to support fragment > > shaders, the instruction limit of those shaders is far less than what > > glamor

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

> ... is trying to say. The "gen3" family of Intel GPUs (i915, i945, G33) > are (to put it politely) garbage. Though they claim to support fragment > shaders, the instruction limit of those shaders is far less than what > glamor requires. These GPUs will stop claiming fragment shaders support

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Qua, 2017-02-22 at 15:20 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2017-02-22 at 02:42 +, Sérgio Basto wrote: > > > > > The default of modesetting is enable glamor > > Correct. > > > > > and glamor doesn't run on 32-bit archs > > Incorrect. Glamor works fine on 32-bit CPUs, and on 64-bit

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Wed, 2017-02-22 at 02:42 +, Sérgio Basto wrote: > The default of modesetting is enable glamor Correct. > and glamor doesn't run on 32-bit archs Incorrect. Glamor works fine on 32-bit CPUs, and on 64-bit CPUs if you force them to run 32-bit binaries. What it doesn't work on is some of

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

Hi, On 22-02-17 03:42, Sérgio Basto wrote: On Ter, 2017-01-10 at 15:22 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, A while back Debian has switched to using the modesetting Xorg driver rather then the intel Xorg driver for Intel GPUs. There are several good reasons for this, rather then repeating them

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Ter, 2017-01-10 at 15:22 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi, > > A while back Debian has switched to using the modesetting Xorg driver > rather then the intel Xorg driver for Intel GPUs. > > There are several good reasons for this, rather then repeating them > I'm just going to point to the

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

Hi, On 20-01-17 02:05, Kevin Kofler wrote: Hans de Goede wrote: most tools simply write directly to /sys/class/backlight, but xbacklight relies on the xrandr property (and is the only tool do so AFAICT). KDE's PowerDevil supports both and prefers XRandR where supported:

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

Hans de Goede wrote: > most tools simply write directly to /sys/class/backlight, but xbacklight > relies on the xrandr property (and is the only tool do so AFAICT). KDE's PowerDevil supports both and prefers XRandR where supported: https://cgit.kde.org/powerdevil.git/tree/daemon/backends/upower

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

Hi, On 19-01-17 16:14, Martin Ueding wrote: Am 16.01.2017 um 17:18 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: Did xbacklight work in the past? Yes, it did. To work around that bug, I use KDE Plasma and there I can change the brightness with Fn+PgUp. `xbacklight` does not work there, saying that no output have

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

Am 16.01.2017 um 17:18 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: > Did xbacklight work in the past? Yes, it did. To work around that bug, I use KDE Plasma and there I can change the brightness with Fn+PgUp. `xbacklight` does not work there, saying that no output have backlight property.

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 20:29:14 +0100 Martin Ueding wrote: > Am 15.01.2017 um 20:23 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: > > Likely you are logged into a wayland session? In that case > > xbacklight won't work. You could choose a Gnome on X11 session. > > I use Awesome WM which uses X.

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Sat, 2017-01-14 at 08:20 +0100, Branko Grubic wrote: > I just want to mention that this change has been pushed (merged) to f25 > branch as well (which is not planed I guess), I filled bug #1413251 [1] D'oh, my bad. New update in testing shortly. - ajax

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

Am 15.01.2017 um 20:23 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: > Likely you are logged into a wayland session? In that case xbacklight > won't work. You could choose a Gnome on X11 session. I use Awesome WM which uses X. > Gnome should let you adjust the brightness however... does that slider > not work? I'll

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 18:58:43 +0100 Martin Ueding wrote: > On my ThinkPad X220 Tablet running Fedora 25 I cannot change the > display brightness of the internal screen using `xbacklight`. It > fails with > > No outputs have backlight property > > The combination

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On my ThinkPad X220 Tablet running Fedora 25 I cannot change the display brightness of the internal screen using `xbacklight`. It fails with No outputs have backlight property The combination FN+PgDn that worked in KDE no longer works. It seems that I have no control over the backlight any

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 15:22 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi, > > A while back Debian has switched to using the modesetting Xorg driver > rather then the intel Xorg driver for Intel GPUs. > > There are several good reasons for this, rather then repeating them > I'm just going to point to the

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On 01/13/2017 10:19 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: Is the stuff from Phoronix's openbenchmarking.org helpful at all? http://openbenchmarking.org/suites/pts It does not implement any benchmarks itself and relies on the same tests that are not accepted by most people you show the results. It only

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On 01/13/2017 10:51 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 01/11/2017 10:52 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: On a benchmark that doesn't reflect real usage very well, but sure. Can you drill down on this a bit? Which subtests get most worse? I have compiled the results into a spreadsheet. There is not one

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 09:51:32AM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Unfortunately the state of benchmarking in Linux is extremely poor. > I'm not here to discuss the non-existent ecosystem of performance > testing, but I appreciate that you are willing to look at the test > results. Is the

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On 01/12/2017 06:42 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: Which package contains this benchmark? I can't find it in Fedora repos. GtkPerf was retired in Fedora a few versions ago. I should revive it and update it to use Gtk3 and include "real-world" cases, but my time is limited. :( The

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On 01/11/2017 10:52 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: On a benchmark that doesn't reflect real usage very well, but sure. Can you drill down on this a bit? Which subtests get most worse? Unfortunately the state of benchmarking in Linux is extremely poor. I'm not here to discuss the non-existent

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 01:42:23PM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > On Tuesday, 10 January 2017 at 18:59, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > On 01/10/2017 08:22 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: > > > If you encounter any issues causes by this change, please file > > > a bug in bugzilla. > > > >

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Thursday, 12 January 2017 at 13:38, Dominik Mierzejewski wrote: > On Thursday, 12 January 2017 at 12:56, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 12.01.2017 um 12:44 schrieb Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski: > > > > Yes, we're just changing the default, if you drop a 99-local.conf file > > > > in > > > >

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Tuesday, 10 January 2017 at 18:59, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 01/10/2017 08:22 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: > > If you encounter any issues causes by this change, please file > > a bug in bugzilla. > > Are performance regressions covered under this clause? > > Iris 5100 (Haswell) > gtkperf -

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Thursday, 12 January 2017 at 12:56, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 12.01.2017 um 12:44 schrieb Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski: > > > Yes, we're just changing the default, if you drop a 99-local.conf file in > > > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d with the following contents: > > > > > > Section "OutputClass" >

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Wednesday, 11 January 2017 at 14:24, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi, > > On 11-01-17 12:15, Samuel Rakitničan wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > A while back Debian has switched to using the modesetting Xorg driver > > > rather then the intel Xorg driver for Intel GPUs. > > > > > > > Hello, > > > >

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 11:59 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Are performance regressions covered under this clause? > > Iris 5100 (Haswell) > gtkperf - Intel = ~29 seconds > gtkperf - Modeset = ~35 seconds > > Fairly significant change. On a benchmark that doesn't reflect real usage very

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

Hi, On 11-01-17 12:15, Samuel Rakitničan wrote: Hi, A while back Debian has switched to using the modesetting Xorg driver rather then the intel Xorg driver for Intel GPUs. Hello, Is it possible to configure xserver to use "intel" driver without recompiling it? Yes, we're just changing

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

> Hi, > > A while back Debian has switched to using the modesetting Xorg driver > rather then the intel Xorg driver for Intel GPUs. > Hello, Is it possible to configure xserver to use "intel" driver without recompiling it? Best regards, Samuel > Regards, > > Hans

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

Hi, On 01/10/2017 06:59 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 01/10/2017 08:22 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: If you encounter any issues causes by this change, please file a bug in bugzilla. Are performance regressions covered under this clause? User visible changes, (e.g. some program slowing to a

Re: Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

On 01/10/2017 08:22 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: If you encounter any issues causes by this change, please file a bug in bugzilla. Are performance regressions covered under this clause? Iris 5100 (Haswell) gtkperf - Intel = ~29 seconds gtkperf - Modeset = ~35 seconds Fairly significant change.

Headsup: Xserver update switching Intel GPUs from xorg-x11-drv-intel to -modesetting by default coming to rawhide

Hi, A while back Debian has switched to using the modesetting Xorg driver rather then the intel Xorg driver for Intel GPUs. There are several good reasons for this, rather then repeating them I'm just going to point to the Debian announcement: