https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=698237
and it's been this way for a while:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/147699
which just says
Rawhide's X is going to be like that for a while. We have ABI version
checks in place, but they only operate off the number
On 09/05/11 13:49, Matthew Miller wrote:
To answer the subject,
for testing it is usefull.
For deploying satellites, not so much.
I have two rawhide vms' running
But I find with rawhide.
Keep rpm copies local with yum*local.
for rawhide I keep 12 copes of all installed rpms.
yum downgrade xor
On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 08:49:28AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=698237
>
> and it's been this way for a while:
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/147699
>
> which just says
>
> Rawhide's X is going to be like that for a w
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 11:18 +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> I'm about to rebuild and update the drivers, but my upstream link is
> currently using pigeons, so it will take me a while.
I tried that, but I couldn't stuff the squawking things into the HDMI
port...
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On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:18:54AM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> This is my fault, sorry. I updated the server but missed out on rebuilding
> the drivers. And with one thing leading to another, Easter came, I forgot
> about it and the above bug didn't show up on my radar until ajax pinged me
> thi
On 5/9/11 9:18 PM, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> The resources have been put in, there are ABI checks in the RPMs but as ajax
> said, they don't work until the ABI is bumped upstream.
I'm thinking about making the xserver package export ABI majors of
md5sums of, well, something, whenever the build is
On Tue, 10 May 2011 11:18:54 +1000
Peter Hutterer wrote:
> This is my fault, sorry. I updated the server but missed out on rebuilding
> the drivers. And with one thing leading to another, Easter came, I forgot
> about it and the above bug didn't show up on my radar until ajax pinged me
> this mor
On 5/10/11 11:34 AM, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> Things breaking in Rawhide are not a surprise; indeed, if it doesn't
> occasionally bite the hand that's feeding it, somebody probably isn't
> trying hard enough. But if it can remain this fundamentally broken for
> weeks because the relevant develope
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 09:04, Adam Jackson wrote:
> On 5/10/11 11:34 AM, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
>
> > Things breaking in Rawhide are not a surprise; indeed, if it doesn't
> > occasionally bite the hand that's feeding it, somebody probably isn't
> > trying hard enough. But if it can remain this
On Tue, 10 May 2011 09:34:34 -0600
Jonathan Corbet wrote:
...snip...
> Rawhide used to be something we could run to see where the
> distribution is going and, perhaps, help a little bit with the
> quality assurance. More recently, I've been told a few times that I
> should *not* be running Rawh
On Tue, 10 May 2011 12:04:22 -0400
Adam Jackson wrote:
> > Things breaking in Rawhide are not a surprise; indeed, if it doesn't
> > occasionally bite the hand that's feeding it, somebody probably isn't
> > trying hard enough. But if it can remain this fundamentally broken for
> > weeks because t
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> Could it be that Fedora lacks the resources to maintain both Rawhide and
> the next-release branch? In retrospect, was No Frozen Rawhide as good an
> idea as it seemed?
I need to redo my tongue-n-cheek seasons of rawhide in the new No
Fr
On 5/10/11 12:23 PM, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> I'm not talking about this week. The X11 problem was reported three weeks
> ago, and the "don't run Rawhide" advice given to me came rather before
> that. Rawhide has been an unusually painful place to be for some time
> now, and a lot of people, I b
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 01:07:22PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> X being broken in rawhide was in who knows how many peoples' ways, and
> even though it's provenpackager+ and even though all it would have taken
> was a mass driver rebuild, nobody even tried. Where _are_ you people?
> Why do I bot
On 5/10/11 1:41 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote:
> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 01:07:22PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
>> X being broken in rawhide was in who knows how many peoples' ways, and
>> even though it's provenpackager+ and even though all it would have taken
>> was a mass driver rebuild, nobody even tri
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:22:37AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> > The resources have been put in, there are ABI checks in the RPMs but as ajax
> > said, they don't work until the ABI is bumped upstream.
> I'm thinking about making the xserver package export ABI majors of
> md5sums of, well, someth
On Tue, 10 May 2011 13:07:22 -0400
Adam Jackson wrote:
> All we had here was a case where one tool didn't catch a breakage because
> the other bit of the tools weren't complete enough yet. I don't think
> that's sufficient cause to question rawhide's existence.
The breakage is fine, one expects
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 02:54:44PM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> The breakage is fine, one expects that. A fundamental breakage that the
> relevant developers don't even notice for weeks is another question; as I
> said, that suggests that people running Rawhide are few and far between.
I'm con
On 5/10/11 4:54 PM, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2011 13:07:22 -0400
> Adam Jackson wrote:
>> If you need a usable system I recommend that you stay away from the
>> rawhide train until it hits alpha which is sometime late August if
>> memory serves me correct.
>
> (http://permalink.gman
On 05/10/2011 11:34 AM, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> Rawhide used to be something we could run to see where the distribution is
> going and, perhaps, help a little bit with the quality assurance. More
> recently, I've been told a few times that I should *not* be running
> Rawhide and that the F15 bra
On 05/10/2011 09:08 PM, Adam Jackson wrote:
> On 5/10/11 4:54 PM, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 May 2011 13:07:22 -0400
>> Adam Jackson wrote:
>>> If you need a usable system I recommend that you stay away from the
>>> rawhide train until it hits alpha which is sometime late August if
>>>
Peter Jones writes:
> It's fair to say that rawhide doesn't serve the same purpose any more - since
> we're branching so much earlier, the thing that used to be rawhide is
> essentially the branch. But the newer form of rawhide does have a feature -
> it allows those of us working on multiple fea
On Tue, 10 May 2011 17:00:30 -0400
Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 02:54:44PM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> > The breakage is fine, one expects that. A fundamental breakage
> > that the relevant developers don't even notice for weeks is another
> > question; as I said, that sug
On Tue, 10 May 2011 10:23:08 -0600, JC wrote:
> > In the week before F15 change freeze, are you really surprised that
> > nobody's running the F16 dumping ground?
>
> I'm not talking about this week. The X11 problem was reported three weeks
> ago, and the "don't run Rawhide" advice given to me
On Tue, 10 May 2011 19:30:34 -0400, TL wrote:
> Leaving rawhide busted is a discourtesy to your fellow developers.
> Don't do it. If you've got code that doesn't work yet, play with it
> in your own repo, but don't push it out where the rest of us have to
> deal with it.
That conclusion is based
On 11/05/11 15:17, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> Do you have any numbers? I don't believe that "a lot of people" run
> Rawhide after it has been branched for the next release of Fedora.
I just run Rawhide as virtual installs these days,
2 for pure rawhide. 2 for branched.
Not enough boxes to spare t
Le Mar 10 mai 2011 18:04, Adam Jackson a écrit :
>
> On 5/10/11 11:34 AM, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
>
>> Things breaking in Rawhide are not a surprise; indeed, if it doesn't
>> occasionally bite the hand that's feeding it, somebody probably isn't
>> trying hard enough. But if it can remain this fun
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 04:23:00PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> That conclusion is based on the assumption that somebody pushes completely
> broken stuff into Rawhide _knowingly_.
Or that they push unproven code into rawhide carelessly.
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Casey Dahlin writes:
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 04:23:00PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>> That conclusion is based on the assumption that somebody pushes completely
>> broken stuff into Rawhide _knowingly_.
> Or that they push unproven code into rawhide carelessly.
Or that they push code and t
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 14:54:44 -0600,
Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2011 13:07:22 -0400
>
> Even then it occurred to me that, if people are being told to stay away for
> six months at a time, all is not as well as it should be. Even just
> waiting from the time of that message unti
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