Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

* Florian Weimer: > * Neal Gompa: > >> None of this had to be this way. It is so by our own inaction, not by >> the action of Microsoft. > > I agree. No one but Microsoft stepped up and was willing to control the > key material. > > I still wish we went the way of documenting how to disable

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

* Neal Gompa: > None of this had to be this way. It is so by our own inaction, not by > the action of Microsoft. I agree. No one but Microsoft stepped up and was willing to control the key material. I still wish we went the way of documenting how to disable Secure Boot in commonly used

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

Chris Murphy wrote: > This is such an old argument. I know you've been around in Fedora long > enough to actually understand this stuff if you really wanted to at > least not spread misinformation. I do not see how I am spreading misinformation. I think you are misunderstanding me. I do not

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

Neal Gompa wrote: > Don't blame Microsoft for our failings. The fact that we can't do > hibernation or offer an easy path for third-party kernel modules to > function in a Secure Boot environment is *entirely* our fault. After > shim->grub2, Microsoft's trust ends and ours begins. We use *our* >

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

On 2/9/21 10:53 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 08. 02. 21 v 21:44 Chris Murphy napsal(a): On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 2:46 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: Being devils advocate, but should we have the memtest86 or similar by default? I have certainly not used this feature in my 10+ yeas with Fedora. You

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

Dne 09. 02. 21 v 10:08 Roberto Ragusa napsal(a): On 2/8/21 10:46 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Being devils advocate, but should we have the memtest86 or similar by default? I have certainly not used this feature in my 10+ yeas with Fedora. I've not used GNOME in my 18 years with Fedora (plus 5

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

On 2/8/21 10:46 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Being devils advocate, but should we have the memtest86 or similar by default? I have certainly not used this feature in my 10+ yeas with Fedora. I've not used GNOME in my 18 years with Fedora (plus 5 pre-Fedora). Can we consider removing it? Having

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

Dne 08. 02. 21 v 21:44 Chris Murphy napsal(a): On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 2:46 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: Being devils advocate, but should we have the memtest86 or similar by default? I have certainly not used this feature in my 10+ yeas with Fedora. You mean get rid of it (from media and

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 7:13 PM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Chris Murphy wrote: > > If you want to take the risk of acquiring a rootkit that can > > permanently take control of your firmware, that is up to you. It > > should not be a distribution recommendation to subject users to such > >

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 9:13 PM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Chris Murphy wrote: > > If you want to take the risk of acquiring a rootkit that can > > permanently take control of your firmware, that is up to you. It > > should not be a distribution recommendation to subject users to such > >

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

Chris Murphy wrote: > If you want to take the risk of acquiring a rootkit that can > permanently take control of your firmware, that is up to you. It > should not be a distribution recommendation to subject users to such > bad advice. And the "good advice" would be to accept that your computer

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 5:19 PM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Chris Murphy wrote: > > Yeah I definitely do not want Fedora in a position where anyone has to > > give users advice like "you need to disable UEFI Secure Boot" in order > > to do X. Be it testing RAM or anything else. > > Why would

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

Chris Murphy wrote: > Yeah I definitely do not want Fedora in a position where anyone has to > give users advice like "you need to disable UEFI Secure Boot" in order > to do X. Be it testing RAM or anything else. Why would anyone want to NOT disable Restricted Boot? (Assuming the firmware is not

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 4:47 PM Martin Whitaker wrote: > > On 07/02/2021 22:23, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:08 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > >> > >> Hey all, > >> > >> I discovered today that there's a new replacement for memtest86+ that > >> appears to even have UEFI support called

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

On 2/8/21 2:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 2:46 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: Being devils advocate, but should we have the memtest86 or similar by default? I have certainly not used this feature in my 10+ yeas with Fedora. You mean get rid of it (from media and installations)?

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 2:46 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Being devils advocate, but should we have the memtest86 or similar by > default? I have certainly not used this feature in my 10+ yeas with Fedora. > You mean get rid of it (from media and installations)? Because we install it unconditionally

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

Being devils advocate, but should we have the memtest86 or similar by default? I have certainly not used this feature in my 10+ yeas with Fedora. Vít Dne 07. 02. 21 v 10:07 Neal Gompa napsal(a): Hey all, I discovered today that there's a new replacement for memtest86+ that appears to even

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:08 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > Hey all, > > I discovered today that there's a new replacement for memtest86+ that > appears to even have UEFI support called PCMemTest[0]. > > The main reason I call out to this is because we don't have a memory > tester offering in our UEFI

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

On Sun, Feb 07, 2021 at 11:03:38AM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 at 09:41, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > > > On 2/7/21 12:16 PM, drago01 wrote: > > > It can only be an alternative, not a replacement, since it is > > dropping features: > > > > > > «In particular, no

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

«In particular, no attempt is made to measure the cache and main memory speed, or to identify and report the DRAM type.»  Which is nice to have but not really the point of a memory tester ... When the tester reports errors then it is handy to know as much as possible about where the

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 at 09:41, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > On 2/7/21 12:16 PM, drago01 wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 7, 2021, Roberto Ragusa > wrote: > > > > It can only be an alternative, not a replacement, since it is > dropping features: > > > > «In

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

On 2/7/21 12:16 PM, drago01 wrote: On Sunday, February 7, 2021, Roberto Ragusa mailto:m...@robertoragusa.it>> wrote: It can only be an alternative, not a replacement, since it is dropping features: «In particular, no attempt is made to measure the cache and main memory speed, or

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

On Sunday, February 7, 2021, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > On 2/7/21 10:07 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I discovered today that there's a new replacement for memtest86+ that >> appears to even have UEFI support called PCMemTest[0]. >> > > It can only be an alternative, not a replacement,

Re: New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

On 2/7/21 10:07 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: Hey all, I discovered today that there's a new replacement for memtest86+ that appears to even have UEFI support called PCMemTest[0]. It can only be an alternative, not a replacement, since it is dropping features: «In particular, no attempt is made to

New memory tester application potentially to replace memtest86+: PCMemTest

Hey all, I discovered today that there's a new replacement for memtest86+ that appears to even have UEFI support called PCMemTest[0]. The main reason I call out to this is because we don't have a memory tester offering in our UEFI boot variant for the Fedora live media, and this is actively