Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-13 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Wednesday 12 May 2010 23:24:13 Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 12 May 2010, Guido Grazioli wrote: 2010/5/12 Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com: The search box has a icon on the left side which defaults to searching the name rather than description. It is probably too subtle to notice. I bet

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-13 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Wednesday 12 May 2010 23:29:30 Chris Lumens wrote: users do not need to find devel packages from the PackageKit GUI, we need to search useful packages from here, that is my opinion... This line of thinking needs to stop. Developers are users, too, and development packages ending up in

Sending a sensible email. (was: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!)

2010-05-13 Thread Richard Hughes
On 12 May 2010 21:58, João Neto joao.gsn...@gmail.com wrote: The system package manager for Fedora to be smarter ... This is a general point I'm making, not just about your email in particular. There appears to be a trend on this list where a random user just posts an inflammatory email with

Re: Sending a sensible email. (was: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!)

2010-05-13 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 May 2010 21:58, João Neto joao.gsn...@gmail.com wrote: The system package manager for Fedora to be smarter ... This is a general point I'm making, not just about your email in particular. There appears to be a

PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread João Neto
The system package manager for Fedora to be smarter ... When the user will get a package like this: Serch by: Latex Editor (None) Serch by: PHP IDE (Nothing) Serch by: Twitter - Devel packages - Python packages - No twitter CLIENTS appear in search! Serch by: Gtalk - Nothing! Serch by: Msn -

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 12 May 2010, João Neto wrote: The system package manager for Fedora to be smarter ... When the user will get a package like this: Not sure what package kit is doing but just for fun try: yum search Latex Editor | less I get a number of replies. the ones at the top are better.

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Michael Cronenworth
João Neto wrote: The system package manager for Fedora to be smarter ... When the user will get a package like this: snip Serch by: Gtalk - Nothing! What are you using to search? The GUI Add/Remove Software app or something else? Here on an F12 box I typed in Gtalk into the GUI search

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread João Neto
2010/5/12 Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org I think we should have package kit use yum search rather than yum list for the searching? The search result of PackageKit is not broken! my article was to raise discussion on the ease of use in the search ... When I search for Twitter I need

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/13/2010 02:38 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: I think we should have package kit use yum search rather than yum list for the searching? I'll see if I can find out what's the story there. The search box has a icon on the left side which defaults to searching the name rather than description.

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On 12/05/10 21:58, João Neto wrote: The system package manager for Fedora to be smarter ... When the user will get a package like this: Serch by: Latex Editor (None) --snip-- If you click on the magnify glass icon change to search by description. Then you will find the other programs.

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Guido Grazioli
2010/5/12 Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com: The search box has a icon on the left side which defaults to searching the name rather than description.  It is probably too subtle to notice. I bet that is the problem here. Rahul Having an additional option in that context menu, which makes the

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread João Neto
2010/5/12 Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com Here on an F12 box I typed in Gtalk into the GUI search box and it found the same results that Seth found for you. PackageKit is too technical software, it must be more easy to the Comum user! The relevant packages must be: OpenOffice, Koffice,

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On 12/05/10 22:14, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/13/2010 02:38 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: I think we should have package kit use yum search rather than yum list for the searching? I'll see if I can find out what's the story there. The search box has a icon on the left side which defaults to

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 12 May 2010, Guido Grazioli wrote: 2010/5/12 Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com: The search box has a icon on the left side which defaults to searching the name rather than description.  It is probably too subtle to notice. I bet that is the problem here. Rahul Having an additional

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Chris Lumens
users do not need to find devel packages from the PackageKit GUI, we need to search useful packages from here, that is my opinion... This line of thinking needs to stop. Developers are users, too, and development packages ending up in the search results is not such a bad thing. Those packages

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Muayyad AlSadi
Those packages *are* useful to people, just not the people you have in mind. the same way rawhide is useful for some people too but it is disabled by default I guess the right way is to have a filter as a combo box applications, docs or devel+sources or at least some visual indication [ color

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 18:19 -0300, João Neto wrote: 2010/5/12 Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com Here on an F12 box I typed in Gtalk into the GUI search box and it found the same results that Seth found for you. PackageKit is too technical software, it must be

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Guido Grazioli
On 2010/5/12 Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 12 May 2010, Guido Grazioli wrote: Having an additional option in that context menu, which makes the search mimic the applications search implemented in latest pkgdb, would be a very nice feature indeed. yum can search an additional keywords database if

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread David Malcolm
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 02:44 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/13/2010 02:38 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: I think we should have package kit use yum search rather than yum list for the searching? I'll see if I can find out what's the story there. The search box has a icon on the left

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 12 May 2010, David Malcolm wrote: I don't know if that's the issue, but this reminded me of this: http://www.secretgeek.net/ms_search.asp Implementing search is difficult. In a good implementation, the user shouldn't need to understand the schema of the underlying database (name

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread João Neto
2010/5/12 Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org Seriously folks- try doing a 'yum search foo' before saying we cannot provide good search results. I do not doubt that yum bring good results, but what you see as good results? For me and, I believe, the target audience of Fedora, search for foo

RE: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Otto Haliburton
Sent: tWednesday, May 12, 2010 4:24 PM To: Development discussions related to Fedora Subject: Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent! On Wed, 12 May 2010, Guido Grazioli wrote: 2010/5/12 Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com: The search box has a icon on the left side which defaults