Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-21 Thread Kevin Kofler
James Antill wrote: > ยน There are ways to game it, if needed ... but that will likely involve > pain for someone. There are at least 2 very simple ways to game this system. Imagine we would like to make kdebase-runtime the default notification daemon. (We actually don't. It's just an example to

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-21 Thread James Antill
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 18:05 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > I just imported lxpolkit into CVS, but it's not yet build because I > don't want to break anything. > > We now have 3 PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora: > * polkit-gnome > * polkit-kd

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-11 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Saturday 10 April 2010 05:02:52 pm Kevin Kofler wrote: > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > We explicitly require polkit-kde from F-12 in combination with polkit-1 > > (in kdebase-workspace). F-11 still require > > PolicyKit-authentication-agent. > > That would be F-13 resp. F-12. Yes, F-13. > > I t

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > We explicitly require polkit-kde from F-12 in combination with polkit-1 > (in kdebase-workspace). F-11 still require PolicyKit-authentication-agent. That would be F-13 resp. F-12. I think that for F-12, we should really do that grouped update to introduce polkit-kde and

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Christoph Wickert wrote: > Then polkit-kde would win and it has even more deps. ;) And it wouldn't even work outside of KDE as it has OnlyShowIn=KDE;. All this is why I suggested on #fedora-kde that we should ban all usage of PolicyKit-authentication-agent entirely (possibly even just remove the

Re: libsoup (Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora)

2010-04-09 Thread Ben Boeckel
In article you wrote: >> libsoup itself is a nice thing because it enables asynchronous HTTP >> access. But our libsoup package ic compiled against GConf, so it's >> rather GNOME than GTK. > > since lx* triggered this thread, > > I guess their (light desktops users) preferred browser is midori

Re: libsoup (Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora)

2010-04-09 Thread Muayyad AlSadi
> libsoup itself is a nice thing because it enables asynchronous HTTP > access. But our libsoup package ic compiled against GConf, so it's > rather GNOME than GTK. since lx* triggered this thread, I guess their (light desktops users) preferred browser is midori a webkitgtk one, and that depends o

libsoup (Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora)

2010-04-09 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Freitag, den 09.04.2010, 14:38 +0300 schrieb Muayyad AlSadi: > > It's not only GConf but also other things like gnome-keyring, **libsoup**, > > sorry for this off-topic, > is libsoup a light gtk library, or a deeply integrated gnome library > I'm asking this because webkitgtk depends on it > rp

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-09 Thread Muayyad AlSadi
> It's not only GConf but also other things like gnome-keyring, **libsoup**, sorry for this off-topic, is libsoup a light gtk library, or a deeply integrated gnome library I'm asking this because webkitgtk depends on it rpm -qR webkitgtk | grep libsoup libsoup-2.4.so.1 -- devel mailing list devel

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-09 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Friday 09 April 2010 02:27:59 Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 17:01 -0700 schrieb Jesse Keating: > > Part of the solution here is to not rely entirely on yum depsolving, and > > instead add explicitly which polkit you want in the comps group, so that > > a provider is a

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Dariusz J. Garbowski
On 08/04/10 05:53 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 19:05 -0400 schrieb Tony Nelson: >> On 10-04-08 14:13:01, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > [snipped] > >>> I never said it is a useful decision rationale, it's something we >>> cannot avoid. I agree it's not useful, but p

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 15:38 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 17:56 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > Just what do you want to strip out here ? > > Nothing; Christoph indicated his worry was not about current deps but > future ones, and my suggestion was just that the agent

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 17:01 -0700 schrieb Jesse Keating: > Part of the solution here is to not rely entirely on yum depsolving, and > instead add explicitly which polkit you want in the comps group, so that > a provider is already selected. Yes, I already wrote that in my very first ma

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Jesse Keating
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 01:53 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 19:05 -0400 schrieb Tony Nelson: > > On 10-04-08 14:13:01, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > [snipped] > > > > I never said it is a useful decision rationale, it's something we > > > cannot avoid. I agree it's

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 19:05 -0400 schrieb Tony Nelson: > On 10-04-08 14:13:01, Christoph Wickert wrote: [snipped] > > I never said it is a useful decision rationale, it's something we > > cannot avoid. I agree it's not useful, but please address your > > complainants to the yum develope

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Tony Nelson
On 10-04-08 14:13:01, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 13:37 -0400 schrieb Bill Nottingham: > > Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: ... > > > 3. lxpolkit will be pulled in anyway due to the shortest > > > name. > > > > That's not a use

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 17:56 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Just what do you want to strip out here ? Nothing; Christoph indicated his worry was not about current deps but future ones, and my suggestion was just that the agent make an explicit commitment to restricting itself to GTK+-level, not G

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 17:56 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen: > First of all, the fear of GConf has really grown to quite irrational > levels. Just look at > http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Google_Summer_of_Code_2010#Fork_GVFS_to_provide_a_more_lightweight.2C_stripped_down_version_without_Gnome_depe

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 14:02 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 20:13 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 13:37 -0400 schrieb Bill Nottingham: > > > Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: > > > > Suggestion: > > > > GNOME and KDE

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 20:13 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 13:37 -0400 schrieb Bill Nottingham: > > Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: > > > Suggestion: > > > GNOME and KDE use their agents, everything else, for example window > > > manager

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 14:22 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen: > On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 14:19 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > > On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > > > >>> 3. lxpolkit will be pulled in anyway due to the shortest name. > > >> > > >> That's not a useful decisio

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 14:19 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > >>> 3. lxpolkit will be pulled in anyway due to the shortest name. > >> > >> That's not a useful decision rationale. > > > > I never said it is a useful decision rationale, it's somethin

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote: >>> 3. lxpolkit will be pulled in anyway due to the shortest name. >> >> That's not a useful decision rationale. > > I never said it is a useful decision rationale, it's something we cannot > avoid. I agree it's not useful, but please address you

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 13:37 -0400 schrieb Bill Nottingham: > Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: > > Suggestion: > > GNOME and KDE use their agents, everything else, for example window > > managers like icewm or openbox, gets lxpolkit. > > I'd honestly prefer they

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Bill Nottingham
Christoph Wickert (christoph.wick...@googlemail.com) said: > Suggestion: > GNOME and KDE use their agents, everything else, for example window > managers like icewm or openbox, gets lxpolkit. I'd honestly prefer they use the GNOME one (maintained closer to the source, etc.) unless there are speic

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 12:50 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen: > On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 18:05 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > > > Does this all sound reasonable? Did I miss something? > > There are a few complications here: currently, both gnome-session and > gdm explicitly require polki

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote: > I just imported lxpolkit into CVS, but it's not yet build because I > don't want to break anything. > > We now have 3 PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora: > * polkit-gnome > * polkit-kde > * lxpol

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 18:05 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Does this all sound reasonable? Did I miss something? There are a few complications here: currently, both gnome-session and gdm explicitly require polkit-gnome. gdm has to require it explicitly, since it needs to install a separate de

PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Christoph Wickert
I just imported lxpolkit into CVS, but it's not yet build because I don't want to break anything. We now have 3 PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora: * polkit-gnome * polkit-kde * lxpolkit As you can see lxpolkit has the shortest name and will therefore be cho