Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-30 Thread Peter Jones
On 03/29/2012 10:15 PM, Conan Kudo (ニール・ゴンパ) wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Chris Lumens mailto:clum...@redhat.com>> wrote: > How is that possible to implement with a: > 1. Show GUI, write kickstart. > 2. Process kickstart. > design? We're not literally going to

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-29 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Chris Lumens wrote: > > How is that possible to implement with a: > > 1. Show GUI, write kickstart. > > 2. Process kickstart. > > design? > > We're not literally going to have one program that you use to construct > a kickstart file, write the file out, and then s

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-29 Thread Chris Lumens
> How is that possible to implement with a: > 1. Show GUI, write kickstart. > 2. Process kickstart. > design? We're not literally going to have one program that you use to construct a kickstart file, write the file out, and then spawn a separate program do to the processing of. We are using kicks

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-29 Thread Kevin Kofler
Chris Lumens wrote: >> Just out of curiosity: Your description makes me assume that the >> installer in the future still don't do things like partitioning, >> formating or installing a basic set of packages in the background while >> the user (which has a high latency/response time) is asked quest

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-29 Thread Chris Lumens
> That's my understanding as well so it's not removing functionality but > rather the underlying mechanism and implementation of them. This is good > because it will allow a consistent outcome whether using the GUI, a > kickstart file or something else like media and appliance creator and > likely

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-29 Thread Chris Lumens
> Now my understanding of that doesn't include anything about removing > custom partitioning. It's all about splitting up the functionality of > anaconda into two distinct parts - the GUI configuration part, which I > would expect still to contain custom partitioning, and a back-end that > implemen

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-29 Thread Chris Lumens
> Just out of curiosity: Your description makes me assume that the > installer in the future still don't do things like partitioning, > formating or installing a basic set of packages in the background while > the user (which has a high latency/response time) is asked questions > about the root pas

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-29 Thread Reindl Harald
se both @redhat.com and both spoke about Kickstart, and this message below is as clear as it can be and matches 100% to my answer - my reply to the wrong person was the result of reply not instantly and try to wait what happens Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: Booting Fe

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mar 29, 2012 8:00 AM, "Paul Howarth" wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:16:25 +0200 > Reindl Harald wrote: > > maybe the tone was minimal rude because i do absolutely > > not understand why anyone can have the idea "hey let us > > remove the whole custom partitioning and replace with > > kickst

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-29 Thread Paul Howarth
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:16:25 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: > maybe the tone was minimal rude because i do absolutely > not understand why anyone can have the idea "hey let us > remove the whole custom partitioning and replace with > kickstart only" to solve problems with it That's not what I underst

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/29/2012 04:39 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Jared K. Smith wrote: >> Because my reply wasn't about the content of your message. My reply >> was all about the *tone* of your email. I know that language barrier >> is part of the problem here, but the tone of your email messages often >> comes acr

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-28 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jared K. Smith wrote: > Because my reply wasn't about the content of your message. My reply > was all about the *tone* of your email. I know that language barrier > is part of the problem here, but the tone of your email messages often > comes across as demanding and condescending. Harald is sim

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/28/2012 10:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > ah - i am not permitted to say my opinion of a very very bad > idea before i become green light You are fighting a strawman and being repeatedly obnoxious about it. If you can't change how you voice your opinions, be silent. Rahul -- devel

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 22:16 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 28.03.2012 21:09, schrieb Jared K. Smith: > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Reindl Harald > > wrote: > >> sorry but WHY do you strip the context of my message > > > > Because my reply wasn't about the content of your message. My r

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.03.2012 21:09, schrieb Jared K. Smith: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Reindl Harald > wrote: >> sorry but WHY do you strip the context of my message > > Because my reply wasn't about the content of your message. My reply > was all about the *tone* of your email. there was simply N

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-28 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > sorry but WHY do you strip the context of my message Because my reply wasn't about the content of your message. My reply was all about the *tone* of your email. I know that language barrier is part of the problem here, but the tone of you

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.03.2012 18:55, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > On 03/28/2012 09:46 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> and that is why i wrote the mail to not complain AFTER the fact >> like systemd last year - i do not really understand your problem >> with this message of me in the context - really! > > You keep r

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/28/2012 09:46 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > and that is why i wrote the mail to not complain AFTER the fact > like systemd last year - i do not really understand your problem > with this message of me in the context - really! You keep ranting based on assumptions. Someone has asked a ques

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.03.2012 17:58, schrieb Jared K. Smith: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> if this ever happens anaconda has to be considered as >> broken by design > > Harald, I've tried to be patient with your recent posts to the devel > list, but you don't seem to get the message

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-28 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > if this ever happens anaconda has to be considered as > broken by design Harald, I've tried to be patient with your recent posts to the devel list, but you don't seem to get the message (or you're actively choosing to ignore it), so I'm goin

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.03.2012 09:25, schrieb Thorsten Leemhuis: > Adam Williamson wrote on 27.03.2012 20:14: >> [...] >> It's worth bearing in mind there's a giant anaconda UI rewrite still >> pending, which entirely redesigns the storage configuration GUI. One of >> the other major changes is that it makes all

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-28 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
Adam Williamson wrote on 27.03.2012 20:14: > [...] > It's worth bearing in mind there's a giant anaconda UI rewrite still > pending, which entirely redesigns the storage configuration GUI. One of > the other major changes is that it makes all installations > kickstart-driven. The GUI will just prod

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 21:16 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > Umm ... okay. > > > > Any particular reason? > > Kickstarts are not very user-friendly nor convenient (unless you have > several machines to install with identical installs, which is what they were > inve

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:41:18PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > Perhaps, like Ubuntu's installer, the graphical part of Anaconda > > > should concentrate on doing the simple stuff, and leave everything

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Umm ... okay. > > Any particular reason? Kickstarts are not very user-friendly nor convenient (unless you have several machines to install with identical installs, which is what they were invented for). > Any other plans to make the current situation better? Ev

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-26 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:41:18PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > Perhaps, like Ubuntu's installer, the graphical part of Anaconda > > should concentrate on doing the simple stuff, and leave everything > > else to kickstart non-graphical installations. > > I don't think

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-25 Thread Kevin Kofler
Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Perhaps, like Ubuntu's installer, the graphical part of Anaconda > should concentrate on doing the simple stuff, and leave everything > else to kickstart non-graphical installations. I don't think that would be a good idea, at all. Kevin Kofler -- devel maili

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:08:42PM -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: > You can do all of these things manually outside of anaconda and then > just tell anaconda to use existing setup. But that is not very user > friendly. I had similar problems trying to set up a basic RAID 1 (not /boot) guest. I found A

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-23 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/23/2012 11:26 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 23.03.2012 16:19, schrieb Michael Cronenworth: > >> David Lehman wrote: >> >>> I was able to complete an install of F17-Alpha just now with all lvm. I >>> had to force the use of MSDOS disklabel instead of GPT (used parted's >>> mklabel co

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.03.2012 16:19, schrieb Michael Cronenworth: > David Lehman wrote: >> I was able to complete an install of F17-Alpha just now with all lvm. I >> had to force the use of MSDOS disklabel instead of GPT (used parted's >> mklabel command on tty2 while the anaconda prerelease warning was on >> sc

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-23 Thread David Lehman
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 10:19 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > David Lehman wrote: > > I was able to complete an install of F17-Alpha just now with all lvm. I > > had to force the use of MSDOS disklabel instead of GPT (used parted's > > mklabel command on tty2 while the anaconda prerelease warning

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-23 Thread Michael Cronenworth
David Lehman wrote: I was able to complete an install of F17-Alpha just now with all lvm. I had to force the use of MSDOS disklabel instead of GPT (used parted's mklabel command on tty2 while the anaconda prerelease warning was on screen on tty6) Does the anaconda option "nogpt" no longer exist

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-23 Thread David Lehman
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 19:41 +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > Hallo, > > because I have read, that grub2 should be able to boot from LVM. I have > done the > following test in a VM > > 1.) Fresh install of Fedora 16. Unfortunately, I can't create a disk > which contains olny > a volume group, so I h