Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-07 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 22:34 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: > > The gnome-3.12 copr includes a couple of low-level package updates > > that > > change abi/api that affects other desktops, notably: > > upower-0.99 > > PackageKit-0.9.x > > > > Are these 2 required by gnome-3.

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-06 Thread Rave it
Am Sat, 05 Apr 2014 14:39:14 + schrieb devel-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org: > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 08:27:59 -0500 > From: Michael Catanzaro > To: Development discussions related to Fedora > > Subject: Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 u

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-05 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Sat, 2014-04-05 at 22:14 +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: > However, while testing this, I noticed that COPR repo metadata > includes > all older versions of packages ever built in the COPR. This > unfortunately means that DNF is free to pick older packages to satisfy > dependencies if it can't work o

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-05 Thread Kalev Lember
On 04/04/2014 05:55 PM, Michal Schmidt wrote: > Perhaps a versioned dependency on glib2 would be worth adding somewhere, > but anyway I would not see this problem if this were a normal Fedora update, > because then I'd get the package for both archs. Good idea. I've now added versioned dependencie

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 22:34 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: > The gnome-3.12 copr includes a couple of low-level package updates > that > change abi/api that affects other desktops, notably: > upower-0.99 > PackageKit-0.9.x > > Are these 2 required by gnome-3.12 or would it be possible to use the > (cu

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-05 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Fri, 2014-04-04 at 17:55 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote: > I had the same problem. It turned out I was missing the glib2 package > update from the COPR. The reason was that I had both glib2.x86_64 and > glib2.i686 installed, but I only enabled the x86_64 COPR. dnf silently > skipped updating the pa

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-05 Thread drago01
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Michal Schmidt wrote: > On 04/04/2014 05:40 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: >> First after the upgrade I didn't even boot to GDM. Too bad I didn't >> debug it because I had already been considering a clean install, so I >> did it right away. My setup was not typical, I ha

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-05 Thread Pavel Lisý
Matthias Clasen píše v Čt 03. 04. 2014 v 10:20 -0400: > Hey, > > so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work of > Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packages that have > already received fairly wide testing. > > But we should be careful, so I want to ask for

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-04 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 04/04/2014 05:40 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > First after the upgrade I didn't even boot to GDM. Too bad I didn't > debug it because I had already been considering a clean install, so I > did it right away. My setup was not typical, I had been upgrading since > F15. But apparently I was not the o

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-04 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Matthias Clasen píše v Čt 03. 04. 2014 v 10:20 -0400: > Hey, > > so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work of > Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packages that have > already received fairly wide testing. > > But we should be careful, so I want to ask for

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Rex Dieter
Matthias Clasen wrote: > so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work of > Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packages that have > already received fairly wide testing. I'll share here what I mentioned on desktop list... The gnome-3.12 copr includes a coupl

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 23:00 +0530, Gerard Ryan wrote: > From what I remember, videos directly in my home directory were > displayed as thumbnails on the main window and they would play fine. > If I tried to add/open a local video from another location (even > subdirectory of my home) by clicking on

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/03/2014 06:22 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 06:09:43PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: You didn't mention the most important question: Did the API or ABI change in backward-incompatible way? If the answer to this question is "yes", then the answer to updating to gnome-3.

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Elad Alfassa
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Gerard Ryan wrote: > > I had a problem with the new totem/Videos having a non-responsive UI. > Probably https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725063 -- -Elad Alfassa. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailm

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 01:09:32PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > And I have yet to see any request have been made to the test list to > > at least do the same validation on Gnome as is done before we release > > an new GA release. > Note that I am not asking about armchair opinions about whethe

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Gerard Ryan
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Did you experience crashes or other serious problems with applications ? Hi Matthias, I had a problem with the new totem/Videos having a non-responsive UI. I'm away on a work assignment until the 13th so unfortunately I can't verify that i

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > Did any of your gnome-shell extensions break ? > Yes but I got updates for most of them. Couple of them are still broken https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/8/places-status-indicator/ https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 16:32 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > On 04/03/2014 04:22 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > Now, in reading that policy, there are quite a few things that match the > > "Things that would make it less likely to grant a request" list. But, on the > > other hand, by ha

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/03/2014 04:22 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Now, in reading that policy, there are quite a few things that match the "Things that would make it less likely to grant a request" list. But, on the other hand, by having a longer-than-typical Fedora release cycle this time around, we are already in

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 06:09:43PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > You didn't mention the most important question: > > Did the API or ABI change in backward-incompatible way? > > If the answer to this question is "yes", then the answer to updating > to gnome-3.12 needs to be no, because such chang

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/03/2014 04:20 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: Hey, so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work of Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packages that have already received fairly wide testing. But we should be careful, so I want to ask for concrete problem r

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/03/2014 03:15 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Also, as someone who has been testing this update in the COPR for about a month now Did you ( and others ) run through QA release blocking test cases for Gnome or is this more "I have been running Gnome for about a month now" kinda thing? ,

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Andre Robatino
Matthias Clasen redhat.com> writes: > Did any of your gnome-shell extensions break ? gnome-shell-extension-fedmsg is still not working in Rawhide (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1045669 ). This only affects Fedora so thought I should mention it here. -- devel mailing list d

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 04:23:02PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > One option we could look into would be for GNOME to set this option on > > by default for a month or so to give extension authors time to catch > > up while not breaking any user extension that works unmodified. > My understanding

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 11:11:58AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > One option we could look into would be for GNOME to set this option on > by default for a month or so to give extension authors time to catch > up while not breaking any user extension that works unmodified. My understanding was

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 03:52:49PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > Did any of your gnome-shell extensions break ? > Isn't this inevitable? If any extensions only claim to support 3.10 then > they'll stop working until updated. I've had a pretty good experience here this time around. Almost ever

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/2014 11:07 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > On 04/03/2014 02:20 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: >> Hey, >> >> so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work >> of Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packag

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread drago01
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 5:07 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > On 04/03/2014 02:20 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: >> >> Hey, >> >> so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work of >> Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packages that have >> already received fair

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/2014 10:52 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 10:20:30AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > >> Did any of your gnome-shell extensions break ? > > Isn't this inevitable? If any extensions only claim to support 3.10 > then they'

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/03/2014 02:20 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: Hey, so the time has come to consider this - thanks to the great work of Richard and Kalev on the copr, we have a set of 3.12 packages that have already received fairly wide testing. But we should be careful, so I want to ask for concrete problem

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 04:57:10PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > 2014-04-03 16:52 GMT+02:00 Matthew Garrett : > > Isn't this inevitable? If any extensions only claim to support 3.10 then > > they'll stop working until updated. > > One, at least theoretical, way to resolve this would be to update

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-04-03 16:52 GMT+02:00 Matthew Garrett : > On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 10:20:30AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > Did any of your gnome-shell extensions break ? > > Isn't this inevitable? If any extensions only claim to support 3.10 then > they'll stop working until updated. > One, at least t

Re: Considering GNOME 3.12 as an F20 update

2014-04-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 10:20:30AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > Did any of your gnome-shell extensions break ? Isn't this inevitable? If any extensions only claim to support 3.10 then they'll stop working until updated. -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org -- devel mailing list devel@l